A man and his boobies

[redsamurai]

its been good. i am coming off though because with a newborn coming, it wouldnt do anything. for now, ill finish my script. its only been 7 months. i also plan on doing a taper to .5, then .5 eod, then e3d, then off. i dont disagree with you. trust me. im with ya but sometimes people just need that. i will transition to a different sleep med if i need to, like an ambian. benzos are strong shit. i didnt respect it a few times and now im scared straight. 1mg before bed. thats it.

yeah I wouuldn't fuck with the ambien either bro, people have been getting heart problems, of all things, from that shit. I've also read about some pretty serious breaks from reality. Honestly I would try the herb before you go on to ambiens, that's a strong drug too.

what happened to you on the benzo's that scared you?

 

[timtim]

yeah I wouuldn't fuck with the ambien either bro, people have been getting heart problems, of all things, from that shit. I've also read about some pretty serious breaks from reality. Honestly I would try the herb before you go on to ambiens, that's a strong drug too.

what happened to you on the benzo's that scared you?

drank alittle with 3mg. i was a mess and i didnt drink much. i woke up feeling ridiculously depressed and like complete shit. i wont mess with them for relaxing purposes ever again. just sleep. what a terrible feeling i had, scary. weed is great. im hoping with the baby that ill be able to get over the insomnia issues. the goal is no drugs, pulling for that.

 

[joe d]

surgery.. i would just get it over with.

 

[Joe23445]

Update alert:

I got the Cabaser and started it as 1mg e3d. After two weeks all I had to show for it was a massive and unbearable case of constipation. However, since that is one of the primary side-effects i was also encouraged that the source was legit. This made me decide to throw down the 2 bills to buy 30 letro tabs.

Now, I have to mention that I thought I had tried AIs in the past. I had tried the liqui* stuff, and even gotten some joint pain but no gyno relief. However the difference here has been night and day. Since I started the letro tabs 3.5 days ago the pain under my left nip has vanished (in fact it stopped hurting 90% the very next day). So i feel a mixture of happiness and stupidity for not trying the more pricey tabs a long time ago. I'm also peripherally annoyed at my endos for steadfastly refusing to let me try an AI.

Anyway, I think i mentioned in the first post to this thread that this is VERY old gyno. With this new data I do believe it is pretty much the standard ER induced type. Since nolvadex has not worked for me (legit stuff from US pharma) I guess that I just have very extremely sensitive cells that respond to even a small amount of estrogen. I'm running 1.25mg letro a day and at that dose I expect it to reduce my E levels to almost none in a short timeframe. In fact, given how fast it worked I think 1.25 a day may even be overkill but whatever. I'm also using supplemental calcium, vit D and glucoasmine. IF I start to feel gland reduction (reduction of the fibrous tissue) I'm going to try to run the letro as long as possible.

A fellow board member had a really good idea and I plan to have nolva ready for when I DO taper the letro down. I may try to run this in cycles (letro then nolva then back to letro etc) and see if i can kill 10 year old gyno. I'll check back in as conditions warrant.

 

[Burpees]

watch your lipids there buddy.. these drugs have sides too.

 

[Joe23445]

Update, I'm about 21 days in and I'm still running 1.25 per day. According to the package insert that means I'm about to reach steady state. It is subtle but I THINK there has been some gland reduction. There has absolutely been a softening in the gland on the right side. So far no obvious side effects. I'd say my temper is a bit shorter but I'm not at all prepared to blame the letro for that. The initial immediate reaction had me hoping that the glandular growth would melt away but that hasn't been the case. I'm planning to run 1.25 for another month before I see my cardiologist for my yearly workup. I'll get a chance to see if there has been any immediate impact on my lipid profile. I'll also have a better idea if there is actual gland reduction going on.

At that point I'll decide whether to taper with nolva or not. So far I'm not too concerned about bone loss as that seems to be something that takes a very long time to occur. The research studies were 2 and 5 year time durations so I'm not too worried about that at 1-2 months (also testo is involved in preventing bone loss so it may be even slower in men). I do sometimes wonder if the bros are a little bit TOO afraid of letro...and too timid in its longer term use, if needed. Sadly I don't really have a good excuse to ask my doctor to do bone density tests.

 

[Joe23445]

I'm at 41days at 1.25 letro and I can pretty safely say there has been very little reduction in the gland tissue and my nips are about as puffy as they always were. Oh well. On the plus side the gland tissue that is there is now soft rather than very hard. So I don't think this experiment is over just yet. In fact when I've had spontaneous remissions in the past the progression is usually from hard, to soft and then to shrinkage.

I'm going to start nolva soon as I taper off the letro and that will offer an opportunity to see if the combination of letro and nolva has any additional effect on existing gland tissue because there will be some overlap (some by design and some just due to the 1/2 lives involved). I seriously doubt it but iI know some guys here swear that letro+nolva is the magic combo.

Still planning a lipid (and CBC) workup at the 60 day range to see if the letro fucked up my profile that quickly. If not then I may run the nolva and then plan to go back on the letro even longer term--perhaps 90 days and then recheck my bloodwork. My reasoning is that if the presence of estrogen caused the growth then the cells are E dependent and longer term removal of E will eventually shrink them.
I know some people will just say "surgery man" but surgery isn't without serious risks. Not only that but the results often can really suck ass from an asthetic standpoint. So I'm going to see what can be done phamacologically and hopefully people will benefit from my experimentation.

 

[Mac173]

I was on seroquel and got a moderate case of gyno only in one nip. Was not on anything else (RX or performance enhancing whatsoever) the entire duration I was prescribed seroquel which was about two years. Within weeks of discontinuing this medication the marble sized lump was completely gone. Maybe it was coincidence, maybe not. I'm not saying get off the klono or that that is even the problem, cause if you need it you need it and you seem to right now. Your situation seems to be pretty abnormal. My suggestion would be to get surgery but obviously that is something that you and your doc would have to figure out.

 

[Nomadic Dreamer]

I thought gyno surgery was considered cosmetic and therefore not covered by insurance?

 

[Mac173]

I thought gyno surgery was considered cosmetic and therefore not covered by insurance?

I think it's more of a case to case basis.