6 People beat Up Peeping Tom

[mekannik]

lol, what a coincidence, thats a local story here in the next town over

Would have thought this might of happened in Parma almost....

 

[Dial_tone]

Would you like to rethink the relevance and applicability of that question before I answer?

no, I like the smart aleckyness of it.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

From the sound of some of these folks,you would think this guy is the only victim here.Next we're going to hear that he "was thinking pure,innocent thoughts while choking his chicken,therefore the chestor intent was non-existent"...LMAO

It doesn't matter what his thoughts were. It matters what his actions were. That's how the law will judge him. Imagine if you could be prosecuted for thoughts...

 

[strongsmartsexy]

no, I like the smart aleckyness of it.

So, you're asserting that he was attempting to molest the girl?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Wouldn't the lowest form of scum be the individual(s) who actually molest kids? Think John Wayne Gacy or Jeffrey Dahmer.

And by your statement - parents who abuse their own children are "better" than this peeping tom. Interesting value system.

WTF are you talking about?You don't know shit about my value system.Someone who abuses their kids needs to be dealt with every bit as much as this slime-bag.They're all at the bottom of the barrel.

 

[curling]

I don't think he's defending the guy, he's arguing against the mob rule concept. As americans, we all subject to due process, no matter how vile the crime.

I would be against mob rule in this situation since the guy didn't actually mess with the kid. They should have beat up good until the cops got there that would have been ok. But if they would have caught him messing with her, I say kill'em on the spot and save the taxpayers money. I don't think a jury in the world would have convicted any of them because any good american should scum like that otherwise they are liberal wusses.

so attempted murder isn't a crime because they failed?

dial tone makes an interesting observation here. I do think they should have just been charged with assault. Because you know damn well 6 people could kill one person easily beating him death. So they shouldn't be charged with attp murder.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

It doesn't matter what his thoughts were. It matters what his actions were. That's how the law will judge him. Imagine if you could be prosecuted for thoughts...

There's something in law called criminal INTENT

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I would be against mob rule in this situation since the guy didn't actually mess with the kid. They should have beat up good until the cops got there that would have been ok. But if they would have caught him messing with her, I say kill'em on the spot and save the taxpayers money. I don't think a jury in the world would have convicted any of them because any good american should scum like that otherwise they are liberal wusses.

dial tone makes an interesting observation here. I do think they should have just been charged with assault. Because you know damn well 6 people could kill one person easily beating him death. So they shouldn't be charged with attp murder.

I find it amazing that so many folks condone murder for the crime of child molestation, when the laws in the US are not even close to that. Although, I think I'm actually more amazed that murdering someone at all is considered acceptable, let alone taken into the hands of individuals instead of due process of law.

What they did could surely be construed and defined as attempted murder. If you take away his actions of masturbating in front of a window of a 5 year old, what crime would you think they should be charged with?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

There's something in law called criminal INTENT

Ok, I'll bite, how is that applicable here?

 

[the nature boy]

From the sound of some of these folks,you would think this guy is the only victim here.Next we're going to hear that he "was thinking pure,innocent thoughts while choking his chicken,therefore the chestor intent was non-existent"...LMAO

Can't speak for SSS... BUT, I think the guy did deserve to get his ass kicked IF he did it. Remember, it's innocent before proven guilty, right?

However, what concerns me is the whole mob rule "system". Example: What if your neighbor accused you of being a child molestor? And went to all your other nieghbors and told that you were a molestor and whipped them into a frenzy and they all went after you and beat you up and sodomized you etc. Yes this is an extreme case, but it CAN and DOES happen. Maybe not here, but in other countries it can happen.

That is why we have laws. Just my .02

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

I find it amazing that so many folks condone murder for the crime of child molestation, when the laws in the US are not even close to that. Although, I think I'm actually more amazed that murdering someone at all is considered acceptable, let alone taken into the hands of individuals instead of due process of law.

What they did could surely be construed and defined as attempted murder. If you take away his actions of masturbating in front of a window of a 5 year old, what crime would you think they should be charged with?

Trouble with that brilliant hypothesis is that a JURY is NOT going to take away his precluding actions,which were the CATALYST for the entire event.It's just like a crime of passion,one will still likely be found guilty,but the circumstances of the moment are taken into consideration and quite often a lesser sentence is executed.

 

[the nature boy]

There's something in law called criminal INTENT

True. But there is something in law called due process, no?

 

[Debaser]

so attempted murder isn't a crime because they failed?

Surely you see how unsound this argument is...

This is the analogy you're making:

Peeping is to molestation, as attempted murder is to murder.

See how this is incorrect? He didn't attempt to molest the child.

 

[Dial_tone]

Surely you see how unsound this argument is...

This is the analogy you're making:

Peeping is to molestation, as attempted murder is to murder.

See how this is incorrect? He didn't attempt to molest the child.

next time read the post I was responding to first.

A person should be charged and punished for a crime they commit

 

[Debaser]

Trouble with that brilliant hypothesis is that a JURY is NOT going to take away his precluding actions,which were the CATALYST for the entire event.It's just like a crime of passion,one will still likely be found guilty,but the circumstances of the moment are taken into consideration and quite often a lesser sentence is executed.

There's crimes of passion, and then there's a group of sick, sick people raping an unarmed man with a tree branch.

I can understand wanting to kick someone's ass if I saw him peeping on my daughter. I'm not sure where the thought of raping him with a jagged wooden phallus would come into play...are some of you ignoring just how sick and twisted this group of people are? Probably MORESO than the peeping tom.

 

[Olsen Twins Banger]

next time read the post I was responding to first.


A person should be charged and punished for a crime they commit

That's why its attempted murder and not murder, they don't have the same penalties

 

[Debaser]

next time read the post I was responding to first.

Considering you didn't quote what you were responding to, nor did you address anyone, how the hell do you think we're supposed to interpret it? Maybe that's worth clarifying?

 

[curling]

There's crimes of passion, and then there's a group of sick, sick people raping an unarmed man with a tree branch.

I can understand wanting to kick someone's ass if I saw him peeping on my daughter. I'm not sure where the thought of raping him with a jagged wooden phallus would come into play...are some of you ignoring just how sick and twisted this group of people are? Probably MORESO than the peeping tom.

For what he did just peeping yes that was to severe. But if they caught doing her or sick stuff with her. Hell yea, shove that tree branch up his ass until he dies. That would send a message to the other perverts you screw with a kid you are going to die violently. I bet you would see child molestration drop.

Strongsmart,

I think our punishment for child molestors is way too weak. They should be given capitol punishment same as murderers in my book.

 

[Olsen Twins Banger]

For what he did just peeping yes that was to severe. But if they caught doing her or sick stuff with her. Hell yea, shove that tree branch up his ass until he dies. That would send a message to the other perverts you screw with a kid you are going to die violently. I bet you would see child molestration drop.

Strongsmart,

I think our punishment for child molestors is way too weak. They should be given capitol punishment same as murderers in my book.

would r-kelly fit the bill for death?

 

[curling]

would r-kelly fit the bill for death?

Who is r-kelly?

I would say rape almost should be punishable by death too. But too many chicks lie about that. But since it is illegal for a adult to have sex with a 5 year old anyway their is no confusion on the crime.

 

[Olsen Twins Banger]

Who is r-kelly?

I would say rape almost should be punishable by death too. But too many chicks lie about that. But since it is illegal for a adult to have sex with a 5 year old anyway their is no confusion on the crime.

r-kelly ( famous black singer) had sex with a 14 year old and filmed it or something,

 

[Austin316]

Thats the problem with all you fucking liberal bastards. You INSIST on waiting till some kind of catastrophe such as the rape, murder, whatever of a child... BEFORE you are willing to do SHIT about it. Look at 9/11 (and yea its beaten to death but it works) if CLINTON would of just went all out on the terrorists after they attacked two of our embacies, a naval ship, AND the WTC once before, maybe it could of been prevented. But NOOOOoOOOoo we can't do that, we know they are capable of it, we know they want us dead, but its inhumane if we stoop to their leval and get rid of the problem before it does anything bad. Of course then after the catastrophe, all you whine and complain about how it could of been prevented, yada yada yada.... DON"T give a sick piece of shit that masturbates looking at a very small child the benefit of the doubt, he is pond scum not a person.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Trouble with that brilliant hypothesis is that a JURY is NOT going to take away his precluding actions,which were the CATALYST for the entire event.It's just like a crime of passion,one will still likely be found guilty,but the circumstances of the moment are taken into consideration and quite often a lesser sentence is executed.

If I think about the possible charges on either side of this here's what I think would be there.

For the fuckhead masturbator:
Indecent exposure
Public Nudity
Peeping (If they have such a law there)

For the mob that beat him:
Feloneous assault
Rape
Sodomy
Gang related additions (if that state has them)
Torture
Attempted murder (if he doesn't die) murder if he does.
With the "Patriot Act" they could also be charged with terrorism as we've seen in a previous thread about gang activity...

 

[the nature boy]

Thats the problem with all you fucking liberal bastards. You INSIST on waiting till some kind of catastrophe such as the rape, murder, whatever of a child... BEFORE you are willing to do SHIT about it. Look at 9/11 (and yea its beaten to death but it works) if CLINTON would of just went all out on the terrorists after they attacked two of our embacies, a naval ship, AND the WTC once before, maybe it could of been prevented. But NOOOOoOOOoo we can't do that, we know they are capable of it, we know they want us dead, but its inhumane if we stoop to their leval and get rid of the problem before it does anything bad. Of course then after the catastrophe, all you whine and complain about how it could of been prevented, yada yada yada.... DON"T give a sick piece of shit that masturbates looking at a very small child the benefit of the doubt, he is pond scum not a person.

You left out the part where you could beat the snot out of someone. Other than that your posts are pretty much the same as every other one on topics like these. Props for being consistent!!!!

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Thats the problem with all you fucking liberal bastards. You INSIST on waiting till some kind of catastrophe such as the rape, murder, whatever of a child... BEFORE you are willing to do SHIT about it. Look at 9/11 (and yea its beaten to death but it works) if CLINTON would of just went all out on the terrorists after they attacked two of our embacies, a naval ship, AND the WTC once before, maybe it could of been prevented. But NOOOOoOOOoo we can't do that, we know they are capable of it, we know they want us dead, but its inhumane if we stoop to their leval and get rid of the problem before it does anything bad. Of course then after the catastrophe, all you whine and complain about how it could of been prevented, yada yada yada.... DON"T give a sick piece of shit that masturbates looking at a very small child the benefit of the doubt, he is pond scum not a person.

Following your logic, someone should shoot you in the head 6 or 7 times to make sure none of them missed. You're a sociopath and a murder just waiting for something to set you off.

 

[Vash]

So are people who toss in politics with something debating the law and the rights and wrong of what certain people just did. Since we don't agree with everything that comes spewing from your lips we are liberal. Hell I'll toss in religion as well. I see 316 in your name and you also say lord quite a bit. Taking the views of the bible in your own eyes? No killing is part of that but an eye for an eye right, only if its in your liking and not from the law? I wonder why everything you say about kill the fucker sounds so off. Was there a priest in your childhood you need to talk about?

"But NOOOOoOOOoo we can't do that, we know they are capable of it, we know they want us dead, but its inhumane if we stoop to their leval and get rid of the problem before it does anything bad."

Anyone thinking of Heil?

 

[the nature boy]

You're a sociopath and a murder just waiting for something to set you off.

Gee, ya think???

 

[curling]

Strongsmart,

Just curious, what would you have done to him if you caught him wacking watching your 5 year old naked?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

You left out the part where you could beat the snot out of someone. Other than that your posts are pretty much the same as every other one on topics like these. Props for being consistent!!!!

I like the fact that the consistent response for extremists has something to do with being a "liberal bastard" etc. It's used in the cases where civil discussion and rational thought is non-existant within the minds of individual stating it. The unfortunate part for his church and religious beliefs, he completely discredits them with his purile outrages. I'm sure his dog must be proud.

 

[the nature boy]

Strongsmart,

Just curious, what would you have done to him if you caught him wacking watching your 5 year old naked?

You weren't asking me, but I'll tell you. I would have beaten the shit out of him. I wouldn't have stuck a tree in his ass though. And I'd probably get in trouble for it but I'd live with that.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Strongsmart,

Just curious, what would you have done to him if you caught him wacking watching your 5 year old naked?

The same thing I'd have done if I caught him naked wacking off while watching my wife. I'd have knocked him out cold and sat on him until police arrived.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

So are people who toss in politics with something debating the law and the rights and wrong of what certain people just did. Since we don't agree with everything that comes spewing from your lips we are liberal. Hell I'll toss in religion as well. I see 316 in your name and you also say lord quite a bit. Taking the views of the bible in your own eyes? No killing is part of that but an eye for an eye right, only if its in your liking and not from the law? I wonder why everything you say about kill the fucker sounds so off. Was there a priest in your childhood you need to talk about?

"But NOOOOoOOOoo we can't do that, we know they are capable of it, we know they want us dead, but its inhumane if we stoop to their leval and get rid of the problem before it does anything bad."

Anyone thinking of Heil?

He's a discredit and a disgrace to his religion.

 

[curling]

T I'd have knocked him out cold and sat on him until police arrived.

Sounds kinky.

 

[Austin316]

Due process can go to hell, there is two parts and APPROACHES to the law, they are ying and yang, I support Crime Control, Due process works to an extent because in many cases it is questionable as to weather someone really did commit a crime. However in other cases where it is plain as day that someone intends to do something, or did something, then fuck that and throw it out the fucking window because certain people gave up the right to call themselves human beings years ago and due processs should no longer even apply to them. All you liberal monkeys cry and complain about how an administration knew something was going to happen but did nothing to stop it., but if they had, and such circumstances can often only be dealt with force, then you would be all up in arms complaining about human rights and yada yada yada, people like you allow these fuckers to get away with everything and continue to victimize a community. I may be very pro vigilantiasm, however I do not condone anyone doing anything unprovoked or to an INNOCENT person. I would never EVER consider doing anything to an innocent, Im not violent, but I hold no mercy for the worse part of society. I would love to feed each and every one of you "we must preserve the rights of murderers, child molesters, rapists" to jail and feed you to those wolves myself, see first hand how all your sympathy is met no gratitude at all

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Sounds kinky.

I figure a man with his pants down around his ankels with 240lbs of me sitting on top of him isn't going to be doing much overall.

 

[curling]

I figure a man with his pants down around his ankels with 240lbs of me sitting on top of him isn't going to be doing much overall.

Other than smiling.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Due process can go to hell, there is two parts and APPROACHES to the law, they are ying and yang, I support Crime Control, Due process works to an extent because in many cases it is questionable as to weather someone really did commit a crime. However in other cases where it is plain as day that someone intends to do something, or did something, then fuck that and throw it out the fucking window because certain people gave up the right to call themselves human beings years ago and due processs should no longer even apply to them. All you liberal monkeys cry and complain about how an administration knew something was going to happen but did nothing to stop it., but if they had, and such circumstances can often only be dealt with force, then you would be all up in arms complaining about human rights and yada yada yada, people like you allow these fuckers to get away with everything and continue to victimize a community. I may be very pro vigilantiasm, however I do not condone anyone doing anything unprovoked or to an INNOCENT person. I would never EVER consider doing anything to an innocent, Im not violent, but I hold no mercy for the worse part of society. I would love to feed each and every one of you "we must preserve the rights of murderers, child molesters, rapists" to jail and feed you to those wolves myself, see first hand how all your sympathy is met no gratitude at all

If you don't like due process, I suggest you visit Mexico, Iran, or some of the other countries which don't have it. With any luck you'll end up rotting in a Mexican jail and save some innocent people for when you snap and carry out your ill concieved notions of justice and Christianity.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Other than smiling.

I dunno, do you think he could smile while I'm crushing his lungs by sitting on him? Although, since he'd be on his back I'm not likely to even see him smiling...

 

[curling]

I dunno, do you think he could smile while I'm crushing his lungs by sitting on him? Although, since he'd be on his back I'm not likely to even see him smiling...

I guess you missed the pun on that one. ::you said he was naked with you sitting on top of him::

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I guess you missed the pun on that one. ::you said he was naked with you sitting on top of him::

You're the sick one!

 

[Austin316]

hmmm Vash you are a moron for taking my name to account for a bible passage, its a name I had for what 6 years now and main reason I used it cuz at the time I was a Stone Cold Steve Austin fan.... HENCE AUSTIN316! Good god I don't claim to be a religious zealot, I just am someone that believes in good and evil and that there should be no mercy given to those who would harm an innocent person in cold blood, these people do nothing for society, they wreak havoc on communities and families, they terrorize their victims and leave them emotionally scarred for life. Why should I have any mercy for them, would they offer the same to me? Anyone who knows me personally would laugh at anything any of you have said about me, you guys DO NOT know me, yet because Im anti evil and am pro get rid of the scum of the earth, then I am the next comming of Hitler. You people are a joke

 

[curling]

Naw, just to trying to add a little comic relief in a serious topic.

But seriously why you were waiting on the cops you wouldn't take a couple of extra punches why you waiting...you know...for exercise.

 

[the nature boy]

Due process can go to hell, there is two parts and APPROACHES to the law, they are ying and yang, I support Crime Control, Due process works to an extent because in many cases it is questionable as to weather someone really did commit a crime. However in other cases where it is plain as day that someone intends to do something, or did something, then fuck that and throw it out the fucking window because certain people gave up the right to call themselves human beings years ago and due processs should no longer even apply to them.

Whoa, you're somewhat coherent. Define "plain as day"? This is an extreme grey area, unless something is caught on tape. Many times it's a he said, she said sort of thing. And when you factor in that people can and do lie, it makes it even more murkey. You and I weren't there when this incident happened. So we really have to go my testimony of the witnesses, who may or may not be telling the truth. That's up for the justice system to decide, at least in my ideal world.

All you liberal monkeys cry and complain about how an administration knew something was going to happen but did nothing to stop it., but if they had, and such circumstances can often only be dealt with force, then you would be all up in arms complaining about human rights and yada yada yada,

Holy shit, try to stay on topic. It's not that hard to do.

I would love to feed each and every one of you "we must preserve the rights of murderers, child molesters, rapists" to jail and feed you to those wolves myself, see first hand how all your sympathy is met no gratitude at all

First of all, you're religious right? What kind of fucked up religion do you align with yourself that makes you think is such a disgusting manner. You have serious issues dude. As for protecing the rights of criminals, once they are convicted by a court of law, then they should lose their rights. That's how civil society works. Criminals go to jail or they get executed. However they HAVE TO BE CONVICTED FIRST!!!!! Duh.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

hmmm Vash you are a moron for taking my name to account for a bible passage, its a name I had for what 6 years now and main reason I used it cuz at the time I was a Stone Cold Steve Austin fan.... HENCE AUSTIN316! Good god I don't claim to be a religious zealot, I just am someone that believes in good and evil and that there should be no mercy given to those who would harm an innocent person in cold blood, these people do nothing for society, they wreak havoc on communities and families, they terrorize their victims and leave them emotionally scarred for life. Why should I have any mercy for them, would they offer the same to me? Anyone who knows me personally would laugh at anything any of you have said about me, you guys DO NOT know me, yet because Im anti evil and am pro get rid of the scum of the earth, then I am the next comming of Hitler. You people are a joke

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha
Your arguments are a joke. You can't even define "evil" and what that encompasses enough to make rational discussion of it. You wave your religion, hell and being with the Lord around as if that is the shield for the un-Christian like garbage you spew out on here. Everything you have brought up has been outside the bounds of the law, due process and good judgement.

The only joke here so far is your mindless ramblings.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Naw, just to trying to add a little comic relief in a serious topic.

But seriously why you were waiting on the cops you wouldn't take a couple of extra punches why you waiting...you know...for exercise.

Well, call me silly, but my religious upbringing gave me some silly notion of not being a judge and carrying out punishment on others. It's something in the New Testament that I can't recall at the moment.

 

[Vash]

hmmm Vash you are a moron for taking my name to account for a bible passage, its a name I had for what 6 years now and main reason I used it cuz at the time I was a Stone Cold Steve Austin fan.... HENCE AUSTIN316! Good god I don't claim to be a religious zealot, I just am someone that believes in good and evil and that there should be no mercy given to those who would harm an innocent person in cold blood, these people do nothing for society, they wreak havoc on communities and families, they terrorize their victims and leave them emotionally scarred for life. Why should I have any mercy for them, would they offer the same to me? Anyone who knows me personally would laugh at anything any of you have said about me, you guys DO NOT know me, yet because Im anti evil and am pro get rid of the scum of the earth, then I am the next comming of Hitler. You people are a joke

Your one big bag of contradiction. He never harmed her, as far as I know she wasn't even aware of him, but the parents where. No funny thing is they did it all in cold blood.

As does mob mentality.

You throw around people who know you personally yet you know none of us and where first to throw insults and then take offense the greatest when they where returned.

Taking out the scum of the earth? People we call scum in america are praised in other countries and vice versa. I consider people who hunt for sport scum but many people support them. A winner of a fight is a hero the loser a pussy, both still scum to me.

 

[curling]

Well, call me silly, but my religious upbringing gave me some silly notion of not being a judge and carrying out punishment on others. It's something in the New Testament that I can't recall at the moment.

This is your kid strong. You wouldn't hit him at least a couple times? Btw if this is indeed the reason you don't(your Christian upbringing) I respect that.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

This is your kid strong. You wouldn't hit him at least a couple times? Btw if this is indeed the reason you don't(your Christian upbringing) I respect that.

What would I gain as a spritual individual by hitting him more than to subdue him until the cops get there? It's not something I would ever teach my kids to do, why would I do it myself? Vengence is a HUGELY ugly human trait dont' you think?

 

[Moderate_THIS]

you guys DO NOT know me

"Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Jer-ry!"

"Today's guests abhor free societies' priniciples of due process, and wish to take justice into their own hands to rid the Earth of vile scum. Please welcome Austin316 to the show!"

"Boooooooo!!! Booooooo!!! Booooo!!!"

"YOU DON'T KNOW ME! Y'ALL DON'T KNOW ME!"

 

[strongsmartsexy]

"Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Jer-ry!"

"Today's guests abhor free societies' priniciples of due process, and wish to take justice into their own hands to rid the Earth of vile scum. Please welcome Austin316 to the show!"

"Boooooooo!!! Booooooo!!! Booooo!!!"

"YOU DON'T KNOW ME! Y'ALL DON'T KNOW ME!"

 

[Vash]

EDIT
Shit wanted to go to the gym an hour ago.

(Austin while you probably hate my guts along with everyone who disagree's with you don't worry I don't hold grudges or hate anyone. *Makes fish lips* Come here big guy)

 

[Debaser]

I was a Stone Cold Steve Austin fan

And clarity washed over me, in an awesome wave.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

And clarity washed over me, in an awesome wave.

 

[manny78]

While IMHO he deserved what he got, the 6 men were not very smart. Now they're facing different charges which could all end up with some time, a criminal record and all the BS it means (jobs, ccw....). So bottom line it won't be such a great dela for these guys...

 

[Austin316]

Hmmm I defined to you what I think of as evil, and my definition of evil people is going to be a universal norm. Killers, rapists, child molesters, why do you chose to protect them? Hmmmmm and when I said plain as day, I was refering to no black and white cases, such as many witnesses presant which has happened with many incidents. I said if there is too much "grey" that Due process is necc, I do believe like with the rape issue, many women lie, so yea if everything does not add up of course they deserve due process. A man CAUGHT with his pants down, he is GUILTY right there, he is guilty of an EVIL heinous act and at that point, for people like that, I have no mercy. WHy even RISK letting his sick fascination escalate into something where he could seriously harm someone? He is guilty of being a piece of garbage undeserving of being treated in any way human, so why risk a child even POSSIBLY being assaulted by him when just looking doesn't cut it anymore? Id love to see you people go preach all your nonsense to someone that either just had something vile happen them or a loved one

 

[georgie24]

6 people beat the shit out of peeping tom and go to jail for it

An alleged peeping Tom remains in the intensive care unit after reportedly being assaulted with a tree branch, NewsChannel5 reported.

Officials said Mario Russo, 44, was attacked after he was spotted outside a bedroom window wearing his pants around his ankles and watching a 5-year-old girl who was sleeping in a unit at the Bunker Ridge Apartments.

Russo was reportedly hiding in bushes.

Police said after he was discovered a group of six people, include the girl's mother, aunt and their boyfriends attacked him and brutally beat him for more than an hour.

The girl's mother, Stacy Umstott, 28; her aunt, Athena Lemieux, 20; Brandon Breedon, 21; Nicholas Phipps, 21; and Khald Arafat, 34; and a 15-year-old are in police custody. They face felonious assault and rape charges. Murder charges could be filed if Russo dies.

The girl's aunt admitted to sexually assaulting Russo with a tree branch, police said.

The incident was caught on tape.

Meanwhile, police said that citizens should not take matters into their own hands

"To take matters into their own hands like they did was just way, way beyond reason," North Royalton Detective Jay Drake said.

 

[chrisoh]

Re: 6 people beat the shit out of peeping tom and go to jail for it

haha, do you not see the thread halfway down with 100+ posts? silly rabbit.

 

[Vash]

Re: 6 people beat the shit out of peeping tom and go to jail for it

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3951127#post3951127

 

[Vash]

Hmmm I defined to you what I think of as evil, and my definition of evil people is going to be a universal norm. Killers, rapists, child molesters, why do you chose to protect them? Hmmmmm and when I said plain as day, I was refering to no black and white cases, such as many witnesses presant which has happened with many incidents. I said if there is too much "grey" that Due process is necc, I do believe like with the rape issue, many women lie, so yea if everything does not add up of course they deserve due process. A man CAUGHT with his pants down, he is GUILTY right there, he is guilty of an EVIL heinous act and at that point, for people like that, I have no mercy. WHy even RISK letting his sick fascination escalate into something where he could seriously harm someone? He is guilty of being a piece of garbage undeserving of being treated in any way human, so why risk a child even POSSIBLY being assaulted by him when just looking doesn't cut it anymore? Id love to see you people go preach all your nonsense to someone that either just had something vile happen them or a loved one

About as much effectiveness for us to say that than for you to walk up to a Police station and start threatening people in cuffs.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Hmmm I defined to you what I think of as evil, and my definition of evil people is going to be a universal norm. Killers, rapists, child molesters, why do you chose to protect them? Hmmmmm and when I said plain as day, I was refering to no black and white cases, such as many witnesses presant which has happened with many incidents. I said if there is too much "grey" that Due process is necc, I do believe like with the rape issue, many women lie, so yea if everything does not add up of course they deserve due process. A man CAUGHT with his pants down, he is GUILTY right there, he is guilty of an EVIL heinous act and at that point, for people like that, I have no mercy. WHy even RISK letting his sick fascination escalate into something where he could seriously harm someone? He is guilty of being a piece of garbage undeserving of being treated in any way human, so why risk a child even POSSIBLY being assaulted by him when just looking doesn't cut it anymore? Id love to see you people go preach all your nonsense to someone that either just had something vile happen them or a loved one

You are truely ingnorant. Some of us have lived through events such as this, and some of us more than once. Their acts don't define us a humans, OUR actions define us as humans. If they commit an act that is "evi" then they're "evil" by their own actions. If we respond with "evil" acts then we're also "evil". YOU are preaching your horseshit to someone who has lived through a few things vile. I do hope at some point in your life you find a way to quit talking out your ass and start finding the salvation of your own soul.

 

[Dougly]

Re: 6 people beat the shit out of peeping tom and go to jail for it

haha, do you not see the thread halfway down with 100+ posts? silly rabbit.

I didn't read the post but I'm sure georgie's is a different 6 people beating the shit out of a peeping tom. Right?

 

[Vash]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to strongsmartsexy again.

 

[digger]

How do six enraged amateurs beat on a guy for an hour without killing him? I thought professional torturers had to learn all kinds of tricks.

 

[the nature boy]

Hmmm I defined to you what I think of as evil, and my definition of evil people is going to be a universal norm. Killers, rapists, child molesters, why do you chose to protect them? Hmmmmm and when I said plain as day, I was refering to no black and white cases, such as many witnesses presant which has happened with many incidents. I said if there is too much "grey" that Due process is necc, I do believe like with the rape issue, many women lie, so yea if everything does not add up of course they deserve due process. A man CAUGHT with his pants down, he is GUILTY right there, he is guilty of an EVIL heinous act and at that point, for people like that, I have no mercy. WHy even RISK letting his sick fascination escalate into something where he could seriously harm someone? He is guilty of being a piece of garbage undeserving of being treated in any way human, so why risk a child even POSSIBLY being assaulted by him when just looking doesn't cut it anymore? Id love to see you people go preach all your nonsense to someone that either just had something vile happen them or a loved one

How do you know he was caught with his pants down? Do you know the exact specifics? Were you there? How far away was the witness who initially saw the perp with his pants down? Unless you know those facts, you have no idea of what you're talking about. For all we know those people who beat up that dude were on fucking crack and hallucinating. Who fucking knows? Let the law figure it out. And if he's guilty, take away his rights. Beacuse what if, WHAT IF, HE REALLY WASN'T DOING SHIT??? Have you ever considered that??? That's why we have a damn justice system, so mobs of retards cannot act as judge, jury, and executioner. holy shit it's not hard to understand this, and you're supposedly going to college for this shit.

 

[the nature boy]

Id love to see you people go preach all your nonsense to someone that either just had something vile happen them or a loved one

Oh and as for this last "point" (or whatever you want to call it) you made, of course someone that's had something like this happen to him would have strong feelings on the issue. Who wouldn't?? Do you think you're some kind of rocket scientist when you make these statements?

 

[Austin316]

I don't think their is any doubt even being raised about weather or not he had his pants down moron

Hmm and sorry commiting acts of evil against an evil person just doesn't add up to me, for one your not doing something against an innocent OR in cold blood, you doing something against an animal who deserves what he gets, you are also preventing him from harming another innocent person again. You all act is if I won't follow the law, of course I will, but does that mean I have to agree with it? Fuck no, weather I like our justice system which is clearly flawed on all accounts if a repeated sex offender with a history of violence is released and proceeds to rape and murder a young college student minding her own business? Yea thats justice isn't it? That guy should of had a bullet in the back of his head after he assaulted the first. Explain to the victims of these families about criminals rights and "how were we supposed to know?" Why do you take mercy on these people and forgive them for something they CLEARLY don't even care about, I rarely if ever have seen true guilt from a murderer, mostly its guilt shown through fear and a ploy to gain pity. Maybe you guys are ok with these sick bastards running around in our society doing whatever the fuck they want until they get caught for their ENTH offense, but IM NOT, and why SHOULD I be? WHY does it make me a rotten ignorant person for not beign ok with this? Sorry to me these fuckers LOST all their rights the second they commited an evil offense.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I don't think their is any doubt even being raised about weather or not he had his pants down moron

Hmm and sorry commiting acts of evil against an evil person just doesn't add up to me, for one your not doing something against an innocent OR in cold blood, you doing something against an animal who deserves what he gets, you are also preventing him from harming another innocent person again. You all act is if I won't follow the law, of course I will, but does that mean I have to agree with it? Fuck no, weather I like our justice system which is clearly flawed on all accounts if a repeated sex offender with a history of violence is released and proceeds to rape and murder a young college student minding her own business? Yea thats justice isn't it? That guy should of had a bullet in the back of his head after he assaulted the first. Explain to the victims of these families about criminals rights and "how were we supposed to know?" Why do you take mercy on these people and forgive them for something they CLEARLY don't even care about, I rarely if ever have seen true guilt from a murderer, mostly its guilt shown through fear and a ploy to gain pity. Maybe you guys are ok with these sick bastards running around in our society doing whatever the fuck they want until they get caught for their ENTH offense, but IM NOT, and why SHOULD I be? WHY does it make me a rotten ignorant person for not beign ok with this? Sorry to me these fuckers LOST all their rights the second they commited an evil offense.

I can just see it now. Jesus and his disciples out beating the living crap out of some guy for an hour, then stuffing a stick up his ass. Oh yes, and then they head on out with their guns and shoot people in the head 'cause they're evil. Hot diggity dog! You just have to love a religion based around that kind of thinking. Now, if I could only find it in the scriptures somewhere. We already know it's not in the laws here in the US, so it must be in something you've received as training in your church. Would you be so kind as to have your pastor enlighten us as to which passages of scripture this wonderful thinking is taught? I mean, it's not like these evil bastards could ever find God at any point. It's not like that has ever happened before. I mean you were born pure and without evil so naturally Jesus didn't die for you, only the rest of the human race.

 

[the nature boy]

I don't think their is any doubt even being raised about weather or not he had his pants down moron

Hmm and sorry commiting acts of evil against an evil person just doesn't add up to me, for one your not doing something against an innocent OR in cold blood, you doing something against an animal who deserves what he gets, you are also preventing him from harming another innocent person again. You all act is if I won't follow the law, of course I will, but does that mean I have to agree with it? Fuck no, weather I like our justice system which is clearly flawed on all accounts if a repeated sex offender with a history of violence is released and proceeds to rape and murder a young college student minding her own business? Yea thats justice isn't it? That guy should of had a bullet in the back of his head after he assaulted the first. Explain to the victims of these families about criminals rights and "how were we supposed to know?" Why do you take mercy on these people and forgive them for something they CLEARLY don't even care about, I rarely if ever have seen true guilt from a murderer, mostly its guilt shown through fear and a ploy to gain pity. Maybe you guys are ok with these sick bastards running around in our society doing whatever the fuck they want until they get caught for their ENTH offense, but IM NOT, and why SHOULD I be? WHY does it make me a rotten ignorant person for not beign ok with this? Sorry to me these fuckers LOST all their rights the second they commited an evil offense.

shut up.

 

[Debaser]

It's a good thing people like Austin can't get into important positions of our country.

OK I'll concede that sanitation is pretty important. He'd be the first janitor that smites the wicked in his spare time, with his holy tree branch of vengeance.

 

[Austin316]

lol can't get positions? Hmmmm aren't you all the ones that claim Bush to be all gung ho and a bastard as well? Isn't he president?

DID I EVER SAY I followed some church to the LETTER? Did I ever say I go around and attack people whom I deam evil, good fucking god your a bunch of stupid little ass clowns. Hmmm perhaps Im sick of watching good people have the worst shit in life happen to them while viles of human fesces like this peeper walk the earth untouched, and god forbid something be done about them because they have just as much human rights as the rest of us. Evil is the fact that a murderer can run around and victimize people, and have stupid liberalistic ignoramouses defend them while good people suffer every day from sickness, terrorism, etc etc etc. Evil is the fact that a murderer gets to live while a good person gets cancer and withers away and dies. Defend these people all you want, but YOU ARE THE REASON they get away with as much as they do

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

They should be no billed IMO. I vote not guilty if I am on that jury. This bastard got what he had coming to him.

 

[Nathan]

*Farts.*

(Just trying to break the tension up in here.)

 

[the nature boy]

lol can't get positions? Hmmmm aren't you all the ones that claim Bush to be all gung ho and a bastard as well? Isn't he president?

DID I EVER SAY I followed some church to the LETTER? Did I ever say I go around and attack people whom I deam evil, good fucking god your a bunch of stupid little ass clowns. Hmmm perhaps Im sick of watching good people have the worst shit in life happen to them while viles of human fesces like this peeper walk the earth untouched, and god forbid something be done about them because they have just as much human rights as the rest of us. Evil is the fact that a murderer can run around and victimize people, and have stupid liberalistic ignoramouses defend them while good people suffer every day from sickness, terrorism, etc etc etc. Evil is the fact that a murderer gets to live while a good person gets cancer and withers away and dies. Defend these people all you want, but YOU ARE THE REASON they get away with as much as they do

Shut up, tard.

 

[Vash]

Evil is the fact that a murderer can run around and victimize people, and have stupid liberalistic ignoramouses defend them while good people suffer every day from sickness, terrorism, etc etc etc. Evil is the fact that a murderer gets to live while a good person gets cancer and withers away and dies. Defend these people all you want, but YOU ARE THE REASON they get away with as much as they do

Yet beating someone for an hour and putting the man in ICU with a tree up his ass means you are a good person and get to walk.


"OK I'll concede that sanitation is pretty important. He'd be the first janitor that smites the wicked in his spare time, with his holy tree branch of vengeance."
So your the one that keeps tossing my trashbins down and cracking them?

 

[Robert Jan]

sick Christian hypocrites. Sure, finding a perv and then beating him within an inch of his life with your friends and a kid and violating him anally sounds just like something Jesus would do

 

[strongsmartsexy]

They should be no billed IMO. I vote not guilty if I am on that jury. This bastard got what he had coming to him.

Next you'll be advocating cutting off the foot of speeders, or possibly the hands of shoplifters. Maybe skip the justice system altogether and just hand out guns and let the most viscious survive.

THe thing that has been a real eye opener for me in this is that people are willing to rationalize and embrace torture, and criminal acts on someone who has committed a criminal act. I'm not sure if that means we have potentially more criminals just waiting to happen or their moral fiber has so deteriorated that evil justifys evil. I know that's not what Christ taught.

 

[biteme]

sick Christian hypocrites. Sure, finding a perv and then beating him within an inch of his life with your friends and a kid and violating him anally sounds just like something Jesus would do

Well, Jesus did flip over a table and chase the money changers out of the temple. Imagine what he'd done did to a peeping tom? Well, I done believed he would have shoved a tree limb up his ass. Shore, he would have.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

lol can't get positions? Hmmmm aren't you all the ones that claim Bush to be all gung ho and a bastard as well? Isn't he president?

DID I EVER SAY I followed some church to the LETTER? Did I ever say I go around and attack people whom I deam evil, good fucking god your a bunch of stupid little ass clowns. Hmmm perhaps Im sick of watching good people have the worst shit in life happen to them while viles of human fesces like this peeper walk the earth untouched, and god forbid something be done about them because they have just as much human rights as the rest of us. Evil is the fact that a murderer can run around and victimize people, and have stupid liberalistic ignoramouses defend them while good people suffer every day from sickness, terrorism, etc etc etc. Evil is the fact that a murderer gets to live while a good person gets cancer and withers away and dies. Defend these people all you want, but YOU ARE THE REASON they get away with as much as they do

I'm sure you don't follow your church to the letter. And from your rantings on here, likely not at all. Just another hypocrite hiding evil behind the banner of their religion.

I understand that you don't believe in due process. I understand that you don't believe in appropriate punishment. And I understand you believe in people committing crimes against those who commit crimes but they shouldn't be punished for committing crimes. I also understand that you can't carry on a rational discussion. I understand that anyone who doesn't agree with you are stupid liberalistic ignoramuses. I understand that you can't put together cohesive arguments. I understand that you present yourself as anything but Christian. I also understand that as long as people believe they can operate above the law and rationalize people acting above the law to commit crimes that we will always have more evil and crime.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Well, Jesus did flip over a table and chase the money changers out of the temple. Imagine what he'd done did to a peeping tom? Well, I done believed he would have shoved a tree limb up his ass. Shore, he would have.

Flipping over tables of the money changers at the temple. Makes you wonder about church bake sales and such huh?

You can believe he would have shoved a tree limb up a peeping tom's ass? But he wouldn't allow people to stone that woman? If I recall it was something similar to "he who is without sin cast the first stone". I think the word I'm looking for is incongruous.

 

[biteme]

Jesus would put people in jail and preach to them to try and save their souls. "Vengeance belongeth to me sayeth the lord." So putting people to death for crimes is being hypocrital if one claims to be a Christian. But, all people are hypocritical to a degree.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Next you'll be advocating cutting off the foot of speeders, or possibly the hands of shoplifters. Maybe skip the justice system altogether and just hand out guns and let the most viscious survive.

EF has several fans of this system.

I'm not one of course. I'd like to send the most viscuous to their own island and let them cut each other up.

 

[digger]

Flipping over tables of the money changers at the temple. Makes you wonder about church bake sales and such huh?

You can believe he would have shoved a tree limb up a peeping tom's ass? But he wouldn't allow people to stone that woman? If I recall it was something similar to "he who is without sin cast the first stone". I think the word I'm looking for is incongruous.

According to the New Testament, when the Romans came to arrest Jesus and take Him away to die, one of the disciples struck off the ear of a soldier -- Jesus told the disciple to put away his sword, and healed the severed ear miraculously. So, the disciples had swords... but their Boss wasn't gung-ho about using them.

(Why wasn't that disciple chopped into mincemeat on the spot? That sounds like yet another miracle.)

Then again, He also is recorded as saying that "Anyone who would lead one of these innocents (that is, children) into sin, better for him if he had never been born."

 

[big4life]

The guy probably deserved to get his ass beat, but with the insertion of tree limbs into his ass they went a little too far. You can always say that bruises came from defending yourself, but a limb sticking out of his rear end is kinda difficult to explain.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

If I think about the possible charges on either side of this here's what I think would be there.

For the masturbator:
Indecent exposure
Public Nudity
Peeping (If they have such a law there)

For the mob that beat him:
Feloneous assault
Rape
Sodomy
Gang related additions (if that state has them)
Torture
Attempted murder (if he doesn't die) murder if he does.
With the "Patriot Act" they could also be charged with terrorism as we've seen in a previous thread about gang activity...


Can you think of others? What is the difference in what he did if there were a 30 year old woman sleeping in the room? Or a 30 year old man?

Beating his ass for an hour by 6 people is hard to explain. At what point was he a threat, (with his pants down around his ankles) where there had to be more than one assailant? And at what point was it beyond reason to keep beating him instead of calling the police? 2 minutes, 4 minutes, 20 minutes?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

According to the New Testament, when the Romans came to arrest Jesus and take Him away to die, one of the disciples struck off the ear of a soldier -- Jesus told the disciple to put away his sword, and healed the severed ear miraculously. So, the disciples had swords... but their Boss wasn't gung-ho about using them.

(Why wasn't that disciple chopped into mincemeat on the spot? That sounds like yet another miracle.)

Then again, He also is recorded as saying that "Anyone who would lead one of these innocents (that is, children) into sin, better for him if he had never been born."

Within or outside of context, what is the text in red saying?

 

[Austin316]

Yea let the cops handle it, the guy will be back out on the street in a few years, and then he can go terrorize more children, possibly evolve as a criminal, and really do some damage? For every person this has happened to (being a victim of someone let out of prison that never should of been able to leave) I would like to see you go to these people and explain how great our justice system is, and how the person who killed, raped, etc there loved one was taken care of by the law just as he should of been even though we KNOW thats complete bullshit

 

[Vash]

Another double standard.

What about the man who was beaten loved ones? He is also the victim but you seem not to think so.

 

[Austin316]

reword that sentance you make no sense? A man who WAS beaten loved ones? He is a victim? ummm yea whatever tard

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Yea let the cops handle it, the guy will be back out on the street in a few years, and then he can go terrorize more children, possibly evolve as a criminal, and really do some damage? For every person this has happened to (being a victim of someone let out of prison that never should of been able to leave) I would like to see you go to these people and explain how great our justice system is, and how the person who killed, raped, etc there loved one was taken care of by the law just as he should of been even though we KNOW thats complete bullshit

I AM one of those people who has had that happen to one's close to me. More than one instance as well. I'm STILL not above the law. What you nor anyone else is able to quantify, for obvious reasons, is how many of these folks never do anything further, or even manifest it beyond simple peeping. If I were to use your logic, then those six people should be killed. Since they're likely to do what they did an even more at some other time. Hell, they may even decide jaywalking is criminal. Or they may covert to muslim and believe that if a woman isn't wearing a burhka she's a whore and deserves to die, or possibly that the US is nothing but a bunch of infidels and they should fly planes into buildings with thousands of the evil unbelievers and infidels. or....

 

[strongsmartsexy]

reword that sentance you make no sense? A man who WAS beaten loved ones? He is a victim? ummm yea whatever tard

He's asking about the loved ones of the man beaten.

He is a victim of a crime or multiple crimes, which is why the 6 are being charged. Or do you feel they commited no crime? Are you saying that 6 people beating a man for 6 hours and shoving a tree branch up his ass are non-criminal actions?

 

[Austin316]

Wow you just refuse to believe that their is a universally accepted Idea of what is evil and whats not. Cold blood as opposed to retribution are two totally seperate entities. Have you ever studied criminal trajectories? And crime as a profession that evolves over time until caught and properly dealt with? Its also important to note that anyone over the age of 40 who still commits these crimes is INDEED one of those rare people that no matter what will always be fucked up, they do not FOLLOW in any way the rest of the criminals and the age crime curve presant in society. Have you ever studied the Ted Bundy case and how at one point in time he was just a porn obsessed man who all of a sudden needed more to fulfill his needs, then more after that. Thats how sex offenders work, they are obsessed people, and unless stopped often will keep evolving into worse criminals. The only reason that they possess a low rate of reoffence as a whole is because in prison they grew out of the typical crime stage of life, which is mid teens up until the early 30's. Anyone who still has problems after that point in time is HOPELESS and unrehabilitible. ALL crime studies will confirm this. If you don't think I DO NOT KNOW anything about how these people tick, what to look for and expect, then obviously you know nothing of me. The main problem is that liberal thinkers tend to adopt to Suttons philosophies of crime as being learned, and that it IS NOT inherent in an individual to simply be evil. You accuse me of being extreme and using extreme examples but sit there and say that we are going to start cutting up speeders and shoplifters? You act as if these kind of sub par criminals who reflect something most members in society do are in the same league of murderers, robbers, rapists, molesters, etc etc etc. If you think that then your logic is severly fucked up.

 

[Vash]

reword that sentance you make no sense? A man who WAS beaten loved ones? He is a victim? ummm yea whatever tard

Leave it to god loving double standardized shitfucks like you to start the name calling all over again.

I know your comprehension skills are at best those of a soggy towel, so I'll type this slow so its easier for you god lovers to read.

What about the man who had a tree limb shoved up his ass, and was also beaten for close to an hour? So his loved ones shouldn't be angry because you don't want the people who assaulted him to be punished. (You can't be this stupid)

 

[Austin316]

Ha I would bet Ill go much further then you, how old are you? 18 was it? High School educated at best? Hmmm well your sentance structure there sure made sense did it not?

Well, if their beloved family member didn't choose to go about terrorizing little children then he would be there with them and supporting them and teaching them how to be a good man wouldn't he? Not getting his rocks off to a child. If any family member of mine did that I would disown them on the spot, I would choose to never be associated with such a disgusting vile piece of filth. And I would turn them over to the law if I knew he planned on doing this, if after the fact I was told I would castrate him myself. Family member or not I will not defend anyone who is evil, when they chose to do something like this they chose to throw away any tie I had to them. They aren't fallout victims of an act of cold blood, they are perhaps only victims of being associated with that person who had vengeance and retribution handed to him. If he had not been who he is, an evil vile animal, then he would be just fine today now would he not?

 

[Austin316]

For the record SSS, I severely disagree with you yes, I think you have a very very flawed view and I cannot comprehend it. However if indeed you were able to deal with these actions, and stick to your beliefs, then I do hold respect for that. But I don't respect or even bother to listen to the opinion of children with a high school education and have not had to practice what they preech when the terrible happens. Its easy to say you think this way or that, so long as you never have to prove it.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Wow you just refuse to believe that their is a universally accepted Idea of what is evil and whats not.

I'm educated enough to know that there isn't a universality of evil. It doesn't take a lot of walking through history or different cultures and religions to see that. They all have a primary core of evil things, but not nearly as broad as you'd suggest. Murder is a clear example of a "universal", although not entirely.

Cold blood as opposed to retribution are two totally seperate entities.

Commiting a crime in retribution is still subject to the standards of appropriate applicability. Otherwise the actions of retribution are considered criminal and prosecuted as such. Killing someone in retribution for them stealing your luch isn't acceptible. Killing someone when you're in mortal danger is considered acceptible if there are no other reasonable recourses.

Have you ever studied criminal trajectories? And crime as a profession that evolves over time until caught and properly dealt with?

Yes, way back in the early 80s

Its also important to note that anyone over the age of 40 who still commits these crimes is INDEED one of those rare people that no matter what will always be fucked up, they do not FOLLOW in any way the rest of the criminals and the age crime curve presant in society.

This is another case of, those who were caught in these crimes. It leaves out the unknown quantity of those who are not or have not been caught. Statistics suck that way.

Have you ever studied the Ted Bundy case and how at one point in time he was just a porn obsessed man who all of a sudden needed more to fulfill his needs, then more after that.

So, are you suggesting that the extreme case of a Ted Bundy is a case study for ALL sex offenders?

Thats how sex offenders work, they are obsessed people, and unless stopped often will keep evolving into worse criminals.

Can you point me to the studies proving this?

The only reason that they possess a low rate of reoffence as a whole is because in prison they grew out of the typical crime stage of life, which is mid teens up until the early 30's. Anyone who still has problems after that point in time is HOPELESS and unrehabilitible. ALL crime studies will confirm this.

How does that relate to this? Are you saying that this man has been commiting crimes all this time and this is the first time he's been caught at it and is beyond hope?

If you don't think I DO NOT KNOW anything about how these people tick, what to look for and expect, then obviously you know nothing of me.

The more I know of you the less I like about you. Which is neither here nor there. Is what you're saying in this is that from what you've studied that with 100% of the time this occurs, and that the information gathered covers 100% of those who commit these acts either singularily or habitually?

The main problem is that liberal thinkers tend to adopt to Suttons philosophies of crime as being learned, and that it IS NOT inherent in an individual to simply be evil.

Show me studies which prove that people are inherently evil.

You accuse me of being extreme and using extreme examples but sit there and say that we are going to start cutting up speeders and shoplifters?

I asked you where does it stop? At what point in the legal system can we say, screw it, just kill 'em. Who cares about cruel and unusual punishment. At what line do we throw out civilized notions of punishment fitting to crime and just methodically start killing them off? I've listed the potential crimes comitted by both the man and the mob. You've addressed neither of them.

You act as if these kind of sub par criminals who reflect something most members in society do are in the same league of murderers, robbers, rapists, molesters, etc etc etc. If you think that then your logic is severly fucked up.

Again, I'm asking where it stops. Through this whole thread you've been willing to toss out due process of law, and condone the hour long beating and torture of an individual, by a gang of people for masturbating in public. This isn't something that, were he convicted of the crimes and punished to the most severe of sentences, would he be subject to. And you're telling me my logic is fucked up? Heck, you're even willing to advance his crime of masturbating in public to molestng a child.

And we haven't even addressed the possiblity that he could have, although highly unlikely, that he was taking a piss and these people did this and used the other story as an excuse.

 

[Debaser]

Ha I would bet Ill go much further then you, how old are you? 18 was it? High School educated at best? Hmmm well your sentance structure there sure made sense did it not?

Well, if their beloved family member didn't choose to go about terrorizing little children then he would be there with them and supporting them and teaching them how to be a good man wouldn't he? Not getting his rocks off to a child. If any family member of mine did that I would disown them on the spot, I would choose to never be associated with such a disgusting vile piece of filth. And I would turn them over to the law if I knew he planned on doing this, if after the fact I was told I would castrate him myself. Family member or not I will not defend anyone who is evil, when they chose to do something like this they chose to throw away any tie I had to them. They aren't fallout victims of an act of cold blood, they are perhaps only victims of being associated with that person who had vengeance and retribution handed to him. If he had not been who he is, an evil vile animal, then he would be just fine today now would he not?

For being such a "religious" guy, I find it amusing that you have no concept of ethics or morality whatsoever. Good job.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Ha I would bet Ill go much further then you, how old are you? 18 was it? High School educated at best? Hmmm well your sentance structure there sure made sense did it not?

Well, if their beloved family member didn't choose to go about terrorizing little children then he would be there with them and supporting them and teaching them how to be a good man wouldn't he? Not getting his rocks off to a child. If any family member of mine did that I would disown them on the spot, I would choose to never be associated with such a disgusting vile piece of filth. And I would turn them over to the law if I knew he planned on doing this, if after the fact I was told I would castrate him myself. Family member or not I will not defend anyone who is evil, when they chose to do something like this they chose to throw away any tie I had to them. They aren't fallout victims of an act of cold blood, they are perhaps only victims of being associated with that person who had vengeance and retribution handed to him. If he had not been who he is, an evil vile animal, then he would be just fine today now would he not?

Where did he terrorize the child? Maybe there's more to this story than I know of, but if I recall the child was sleeping. I'd imagine the child watching the beating and torture of a man might seriously fuck their minds for the remainder of their life though.

 

[Austin316]

Yea I always claimed to be a religious zealout havn't I? Hmmm as a rule of thumb I treat others how I would like to be treated, people know anythign real about me tend to really like me and would tell you I am one of those people that is right there for them whenever they need it and ask for very little in return. I have a very sick gf whom I stick with and support, and let her take her frustrations on, just to see her through the day and I willl continue to remain there even though she has tried to force me to leave so I wouldn't have to deal with it if worst comes to worst. I treat my friends and loved ones like gold, I give a lot of myself to them. I am protective of them, anyone who gives me respect will have mine in return, but if I don't like you or do not respect you I will damn sure treat you the way I see you. Do the same back, I could care less. I have no tolerance for the sick evil twisted people in this world, and in this country. SSS I do not focus on the world as a whole, but you can't honestyl tell me there isn't a universal set of what it is to be evil here in the USA and you cannot tell me that most people would not consider a pedophile to be one of them. Even other criminals would be quick to kill this person or any other child obsessed freak because it even ASSAULTS their virtues and beliefs. That should say A LOT. What more proof do you need then to look at some of the more famous people and events in the history of this country to not believe people simply had to be born into what they are? John Wayne Gacey, Dhamer, the self proclaimed Vampire who feasted on new born babies he stole from the hospital he worked at? Sure these are extreme, all of these people were proven to be legally sane, and their mere existance is proof of Evil. Do not even begin to argue the validity of the age crime curve and how it truly is one thing that is right on with how society is, nearly all sociologists, especially current ones will not argue against it. Sex offenders yes they ARE THE LEAST LIKELY to reoffend, but its also proven it hs more to do with the age they are let out on, and that people who continue to commit crime into their middle age to old age stages of life are the extreme cases that are HOPELESS. If you have any hope of rehabilitating someone, it has to be done while they are young. You speak as f the current law is perfect and that everything it does is perfect, so it makes me wrong to question it? I don't think so. Ive already told you I agree with crime control, not due process, due process Is only good up till the person is proven guilty, once that happens, or if someone catches you in the act which proves you guilty on the spot, then screw it your done. Im not about giving chances out like candy, on elife ruined should be enough to seal your fate

 

[Vash]

I like it how when you question my intelligence and my age you remembered to use a paragraph for the first time ever. Holy shit look at me I'm smarter, I'm too ignorant to respect others views so I lash out then I get pissed when they defend themselves, then I revert to calling them stupid and kids because they aren't backing down.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Yea I always claimed to be a religious zealout havn't I? Hmmm as a rule of thumb I treat others how I would like to be treated, people know anythign real about me tend to really like me and would tell you I am one of those people that is right there for them whenever they need it and ask for very little in return. I have a very sick gf whom I stick with and support, and let her take her frustrations on, just to see her through the day and I willl continue to remain there even though she has tried to force me to leave so I wouldn't have to deal with it if worst comes to worst. I treat my friends and loved ones like gold, I give a lot of myself to them. I am protective of them, anyone who gives me respect will have mine in return, but if I don't like you or do not respect you I will damn sure treat you the way I see you. Do the same back, I could care less. I have no tolerance for the sick evil twisted people in this world, and in this country. SSS I do not focus on the world as a whole, but you can't honestyl tell me there isn't a universal set of what it is to be evil here in the USA and you cannot tell me that most people would not consider a pedophile to be one of them. Even other criminals would be quick to kill this person or any other child obsessed freak because it even ASSAULTS their virtues and beliefs. That should say A LOT. What more proof do you need then to look at some of the more famous people and events in the history of this country to not believe people simply had to be born into what they are? John Wayne Gacey, Dhamer, the self proclaimed Vampire who feasted on new born babies he stole from the hospital he worked at? Sure these are extreme, all of these people were proven to be legally sane, and their mere existance is proof of Evil. Do not even begin to argue the validity of the age crime curve and how it truly is one thing that is right on with how society is, nearly all sociologists, especially current ones will not argue against it. Sex offenders yes they ARE THE LEAST LIKELY to reoffend, but its also proven it hs more to do with the age they are let out on, and that people who continue to commit crime into their middle age to old age stages of life are the extreme cases that are HOPELESS. If you have any hope of rehabilitating someone, it has to be done while they are young. You speak as f the current law is perfect and that everything it does is perfect, so it makes me wrong to question it? I don't think so. Ive already told you I agree with crime control, not due process, due process Is only good up till the person is proven guilty, once that happens, or if someone catches you in the act which proves you guilty on the spot, then screw it your done. Im not about giving chances out like candy, on elife ruined should be enough to seal your fate

I ride a motorcycle in California. I was splitting lanes in rush hour traffic, which is legal to do in CA. As I was moving along this young woman turned her car into me to keep me from moving past her. I gave the top of her car a sound thump. She yelled out the window how she was calling the cops and that what I was doing was illegal. I waited for the cops to arrive with a grin on my face. Now, if I'd been an asshole, I could have had her charged with vehicular assault. You should have seen the look on her face when she got to find out that what I was doing was correct and she was wrong.

If someone catches anyone in the act of a crime, the law doesn't allow for them to carry out the judgement and punishment. For some reason this concept seems to escape your brain. I'm not sure why, but it does. The law allows for very little latitude when a citizen involves themselves in the apprehension of a criminal and doesn't allow for them to execute punishment for a crime. Another concept which seems to escape you.

It's still not clear how you can rationalize the one hour beating of one man by 6 people including stuffing that stick up his ass. It's even more incredulous that anyone can see that as a fitting punishment.

And I'll ask again if the list I gave of the crimes they could be charged with based on their actions are reasonable.

Oh, and learn to use paragraphs. It will help when trying to read what you're saying.