2nd Cycle. Hows it look?

[UpStater10]

Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

Dbol - 40/40/40/40
HCGenerate - 5 Caps split ED weeks 1-4
Forma - 10 pumps split ED weeks 1-4
Dermacrine - 5 pumps ED starting 2 weeks prior
Liv 52

PCT -
Post Cycle
Unleashed
Osta Rx

Was wondering if I should use the forma for pct or both?
Any other advice is appreciated

Age: 23
Weight: 190lbs
Height: 5' 10"
Bf: 13%

 

[RickRock13]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

Dbol - 40/40/40/40
HCGenerate - 5 Caps split ED weeks 1-4
Forma - 10 pumps split ED weeks 1-4
Dermacrine - 5 pumps ED 1-4
Liv 52

PCT -
Post Cycle
Unleashed
Osta Rx

Was wondering if I should use the forma for pct or both?

Age: 23
Weight: 190lbs
Height: 5' 10"
Bf: 13%

I would run some test with this cycle. A 4 week cycle is a little short to provide keepable gains, especially from Dbol. I know you are running Dermacrine as a test base, but I would at least stretch this cycle out a bit more.


Formastanozol should be ran on cycle and in PCT for estrogen control.

I would throw a little more into your PCT as well and add some Test stack or PHYTOSERMS to it. Here are some links to info and discounts

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

 

[UpStater10]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

Not using test for this run. I wanted to try out dermacrine. You think I should add test stack 17 for pct even with unleashed, post cycle, forma, and ostarine? Isn't that a bit much?
Does 6 weeks 30/30/30/30/30/30 sound better?

Thanks

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[RickRock13]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

Not using test for this run. I wanted to try out dermacrine. You think I should add test stack 17 for pct even with unleashed, post cycle, forma, and ostarine? Isn't that a bit much?
Does 6 weeks 30/30/30/30/30/30 sound better?

Thanks

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6 weeks would be better, but I would advise against running Dbol that long because of the toxicity factor. Maybe start the Dermacrine two weeks prior to starting the Adbol to make it a 6 week cycle.

PCT is something you definitely want to make sure to have covered from all angles, and i recommended test stack because of its extensive profile. It's really a great addition to make sure you have the best possible recovery.

 

[liffalot]

Yep you can (and should in my opinion) run forma in both the cycle and PCT. Even if its not necessary I always find it to be a nice additions to any piece of a cycle. You've got your HCGenerate and Unleashed in the correct places as well.

Also, I would steer clear of IronMagLabs for SARM purposes.......haven't had great experiences with their products in the past and SARMS (especially in PCT) you should really be careful where you buy from. I can almost guarantee that OSTA capsules (especially at $69 bucks a bottle) are going to be seriously disappointing. I would get your OSTA from Sarm1.com - I just started mine, haven't even hit the 3 week kicker yet, and I can already tell its leaps and bounds above any others I've tried besides being fairly priced.

 

[UpStater10]

Yep you can (and should in my opinion) run forma in both the cycle and PCT. Even if its not necessary I always find it to be a nice additions to any piece of a cycle. You've got your HCGenerate and Unleashed in the correct places as well.

Also, I would steer clear of IronMagLabs for SARM purposes.......haven't had great experiences with their products in the past and SARMS (especially in PCT) you should really be careful where you buy from. I can almost guarantee that OSTA capsules (especially at $69 bucks a bottle) are going to be seriously disappointing. I would get your OSTA from Sarm1.com - I just started mine, haven't even hit the 3 week kicker yet, and I can already tell its leaps and bounds above any others I've tried besides being fairly priced.

Okay cool I'll throw in the forma for pct as well. Only reason I'm using the IronMagLabs sarm is bc I have a bottle left, figured I'd use it up.

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[UpStater10]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

Anyone else done a cycle similar to this? Using derma as a test base along with dbol

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[jcnuts]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

I wouldn't run it without Test but if I had to I'd run 6wks at 30mg.

~ JohnyCoolNuts ~

 

[UpStater10]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

If I did add test in (probably would do test e) what would you recommend for a light dosage for a 8-10 week cycle? And would I stay with 4 week kickstart of dbol or 6 weeks.

Thanks

 

[jcnuts]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

If I did add test in (probably would do test e) what would you recommend for a light dosage for a 8-10 week cycle? And would I stay with 4 week kickstart of dbol or 6 weeks.

Thanks

Test Enanthate or Cypionate 250-375mg a week and the dbol weeks 1-4.

~ JohnyCoolNuts ~

 

[UpStater10]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

Test Enanthate or Cypionate 250-375mg a week and the dbol weeks 1-4.

~ JohnyCoolNuts ~

PCT okay still if I ad the test?

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[jcnuts]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

PCT isn't my strong suit cause I just jump to my TRT dose after I cycle but I would add some Arimidex, Aromisin, or Forma for cycle support. Or NTBM has a new product called Liquidex that's supposed to be awesome. I was chosen to log it for them so I should have it in a couple days but don't know much about it yet.

~ JohnyCoolNuts ~

 

[liffalot]

Okay cool I'll throw in the forma for pct as well. Only reason I'm using the IronMagLabs sarm is bc I have a bottle left, figured I'd use it up.

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Well you cant beat already having a bottle on hand lol, in that case use that shit up.

And yes you're already running a full PCT if I remember correctly (cant see it right now). If there's no AI in there though you definitely need to add one. Jcnuts is definitely right though you should look into liquidex, lots of hype right now should be good stuff

 

[UpStater10]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

UPDATED CYCLE. Everything seem to be in check? Is nolva or Clomid still recommended with what I have? Thanks guys

Dbol - 25/25/25/25
500mg test e (250Tuesday, 250 Saturday) WEEKS 1-8
HCGenerate - 5 Caps split ED weeks 2-8
Forma - 10 pumps split ED weeks 1-8

Liv 52

PCT -
Post Cycle
Unleashed
forma
Osta Rx



Age: 23
Weight: 190lbs
Height: 5' 10"
Bf: 13%



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[UpStater10]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

Bump

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[Athlete9]

My first test cycle was 10 weeks I found it to be too short. I run 15 weeks of test e. if I was going to run shorter cycles I'd use test p. test e takes like a month just to get up to peak levels.

 

[rohanum]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

[FONT=Ar..al]Dbol - 40/40/40/40[/FONT]
HCGenerate - 5 Caps split ED weeks 1-4
Forma - 10 pumps split ED weeks 1-4
Dermacrine - 5 pumps ED starting 2 weeks prior
Liv 52

PCT -
Post Cycle
Unleashed
Osta Rx

Was wondering if I should use the forma for pct or both?
Any other advice is appreciated

Age: 23
Weight: 190lbs
Height: 5' 10"
Bf: 13%

why would you do a dbol only cycle ?.. most of the gains you get from it will vanish faster than they took to come. u need to run a test base along side .. i would go into more details bout it but cbf now.. idk about rest of the compouds listed but im guessing they are on cycle support

 

[dylangemelli]

Re: Question with forma and dermacrine. Dbol

UPDATED CYCLE. Everything seem to be in check? Is nolva or Clomid still recommended with what I have? Thanks guys

Dbol - 25/25/25/25
500mg test e (250Tuesday, 250 Saturday) WEEKS 1-8
HCGenerate - 5 Caps split ED weeks 2-8
Forma - 10 pumps split ED weeks 1-8

Liv 52

PCT -
Post Cycle
Unleashed
forma
Osta Rx



Age: 23
Weight: 190lbs
Height: 5' 10"
Bf: 13%



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this needs quite a bit of fixing... test e is a longer ester... 8 weeks is not enough... liv.52 is nowhere near enough protection... all you are doing is addressing your liver... what about bp, lipids, cholesterol, etc.?? let me fix this for you...

1-12 test e 350-500 mg week
1-14 gw-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-14 "liquidex" n2bm.com
1-14 n2guard n2bm.com
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
5-12 hcgenerate es n2bm.com
13-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
liquidex n2bm.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



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[liffalot]

Yep just to elaborate on some of the things Dylan has for you up there:

1. You don't have enough supps to counteract the Dbol and Test sides in there as it stands. Running orals like Dbol you need serious liver protection as well as supplements that address all the other factors. N2Guard is my go-to for it because it has everything you need in one place - no need to buy everything separate that way.

2. You definitely need a SERM in your PCT. The Clomid that Dylan put in there will be perfect for you - no need to frontload it either.

3. It always makes me a bit nervous relying on dermal AIs for a cycle that actually includes test........I would either move your forma to PCT and run liquidex on cycle, or preferably just run liquidex through the whole cycle and PCT. (Or just use both, why not?)

And also like he said definitely need to run Test E for at least 12 weeks.