17 year old, taking GNC 18500 weight gainer..

[skinnyfit1]

Hello,

I am 17 years old, and I have been skinny all my life.. and I hate it, and think its time for a change, now or never...

my BMR is 1,577 Calories

I am 55 KG's in weight, and 174 in height.

I asked the local GYM for supplemntals for my weight, and they told me about the GNC one, so here I am with it.. but after reading a few threads, apparently I dont just take it, there needs to be some extra work with it, fix for my food, etc..

So can you please tell me, what is the "right" way of taking this, I didnt start yet, but I want to start right so I can see results, I would get really dissapointed if I dont see results, and I feel if I start taking it wrong, I wouldnt benieft from anything..

If you need any information, please let me know...

thank you in advance, and have a good day

 

[joe d]

are you just trying to put on weight or are you trying to build muscle?

 

[skinnyfit1]

Weight first... I need more weight, then I will work on getting that weight into muscle

 

[joe d]

Weight first... I need more weight, then I will work on getting that weight into muscle

diet:
calories is the key. high calories. start a diet log. if at any time you want to build muscle they you should start now because it all goes together. eat 5 or more meals per day. eat at least 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight per day eat 3-4 grams of complex carbohydrates per lb. of body weight per day 30+ grams of fat and 30+ grams of fiber all devided up between the 5+ meals you should at least be able to eat 4000 grams of carbs per day. use the shakes for as soon as you are done lifting and when you cant get food.

training:
do not do cardio unless you have to for school or something.
find a simple training program something like this

monday chest & triceps

3 sets of 10 bench press
3 sets of 10 dumbell flys
3 sets of 15 straight bar cable pushdowns

tuesday back and biceps

3 sets of 10 wide grip pulldowns
3 sets of 10 close grip low cable rows

3 sets of 10 standing barbell curls
3 sets of 10 alternating dumbbell curls

thursday legs
3 sets of 10 leg extentions
4 sets of 12 squats
3 sets of 10 leg curls

friday shoulders traps abs calvs

3 sets of 10 seated dumbbell overhead presses
3 sets of 10 reverse peck-deck
3 sets of 10 seated calf raises
3 sets of 15 crunches on machine

strech each muscle good right after you are done working it

try to replace these exorsizes every weak for 3 weaks then repeat. heep a progress log.

thats all you need man let us know how it is going for you.

 

[cal62887]

Hello,

I am 17 years old, and I have been skinny all my life.. and I hate it, and think its time for a change, now or never...

my BMR is 1,577 Calories

I am 55 KG's in weight, and 174 in height.

I asked the local GYM for supplemntals for my weight, and they told me about the GNC one, so here I am with it.. but after reading a few threads, apparently I dont just take it, there needs to be some extra work with it, fix for my food, etc..

So can you please tell me, what is the "right" way of taking this, I didnt start yet, but I want to start right so I can see results, I would get really dissapointed if I dont see results, and I feel if I start taking it wrong, I wouldnt benieft from anything..

If you need any information, please let me know...

thank you in advance, and have a good day

You realize BMR is your Basal Metabolic Rate.... this number represents the amount of calories you need to sustain life. This only takes into account, breathing, sweating, blood flow, organ function.

You need to eat well above your BMR to gain weight.

 

[sweed]

what does your diet and traininng look like right now??
Youre at a prime age for gaining weight/ muscle.

 

[dabuffguy]

Hello,

I am 17 years old, and I have been skinny all my life.. and I hate it, and think its time for a change, now or never...

my BMR is 1,577 Calories

I am 55 KG's in weight, and 174 in height.

I asked the local GYM for supplemntals for my weight, and they told me about the GNC one, so here I am with it.. but after reading a few threads, apparently I dont just take it, there needs to be some extra work with it, fix for my food, etc..

So can you please tell me, what is the "right" way of taking this, I didnt start yet, but I want to start right so I can see results, I would get really dissapointed if I dont see results, and I feel if I start taking it wrong, I wouldnt benieft from anything..

If you need any information, please let me know...

thank you in advance, and have a good day

Bro, I was there at your age. Tall and skinny. The best thing you can do is eat like an animal. Eat til it hurts, and then eat some more. You have to force yourself to eat. Once you do this, your appetite will increase, and your body will be forced to store the extra food. Lifting while doing this will result in lots of muscle mass and strength gained.

Lots of meat, lots of complex carbs, lots of fats. Lots of everything. eat eat eat.

 

[Bulk32]

listen to what these guys r saying. basicly train hard and eat big. you'll know your on the right track when a new muscle group is sore everyday and youve almost abused the right to eat and are sick of eating, then you'll be on the right track. eating till it hurts sometimes or atleast when your in your teens is just part of the sacrafice for people with high metabolisms. good luck

 

[rikishi]

Eat 1 lb of red potatoes 6 times a day with 8 oz of chicken breast. Also, lift like an animal and get a good amount of sleep. Post workout take the weight gainer. You'll thank me 15 lbs later.

 

[needtogetaas]

We may have a good thread going here.

what does your diet and traininng look like right now??
Youre at a prime age for gaining weight/ muscle. <--- this would be the best place to start in order for us to help you.

 

[skinnyfit1]

what does your diet and traininng look like right now??
Youre at a prime age for gaining weight/ muscle.

I dont eat much, sadly.. but I think that my stomache is actually small, like smaller than normal, which makes me get full easily... :\

@Joe D:

So basically, lots of carbs, and use the GNC weight gainer after the weights?

BTW: I got a nice home-gym thing, got weights and everything, that kinda weights where you have a chair, and you have alot of options, pull down, etc.. dont know what they call it lol -_- its like a 5 in 1..

@cal62887:

Yeah, I do know that.. but lets say I keep a log of what I eat daily, how do I get the exact amound of calories at the end of the day, keeping in mind that every meal might differ from one place to another, like for example.. when I write down 'chicken with rice',there is no global number for that... so how does someone calclulate how much he eats each day?

@dabuffguy:

I will try to 'eat like an animal' but I really get full easily, someone told me the way to fix this is eat more than 5 meals a day, and have them well spaced apart.. good enough?
and where does the GNC shake come in place here?


@Rikishi:

That sounds good to me,


@everyone:

I also need a 'time where you would notice changes', I have tried to gain weight before ( 3 years ago ), and it failed... got me really dissapointed, I spent alot of money on alot of products, didnt gain any mass, but I did gain muslces in my arms and my stomache.. which is good and everything, but I want weight, I still look the same, but feel different, I want to change the look ^^

Thanks alot, really appreciate your help

 

[cal62887]

I dont eat much, sadly.. but I think that my stomache is actually small, like smaller than normal, which makes me get full easily... :\

The more you eat, the more your stomach with expand and get used to the food.

@Joe D:

So basically, lots of carbs, and use the GNC weight gainer after the weights?

Carbs + Whey post workout and then get another meal in about 45 minutes later.

@cal62887:

Yeah, I do know that.. but lets say I keep a log of what I eat daily, how do I get the exact amound of calories at the end of the day, keeping in mind that every meal might differ from one place to another, like for example.. when I write down 'chicken with rice',there is no global number for that... so how does someone calclulate how much he eats each day?

Food scales help out a lot. There's also fitday.com and others like it that can count your calories for you (assuming you know how much of each you ate...which is where the food scale comes in)

@dabuffguy:

I will try to 'eat like an animal' but I really get full easily, someone told me the way to fix this is eat more than 5 meals a day, and have them well spaced apart.. good enough?
and where does the GNC shake come in place here?


@Rikishi:

That sounds good to me,


@everyone:

I also need a 'time where you would notice changes', I have tried to gain weight before ( 3 years ago ), and it failed... got me really dissapointed, I spent alot of money on alot of products, didnt gain any mass, but I did gain muslces in my arms and my stomache.. which is good and everything, but I want weight, I still look the same, but feel different, I want to change the look ^^

Thanks alot, really appreciate your help

If you want to gain weight you're going to have to eat more meals, eat more calorie dense foods (whole milk, bananas, nuts, peanut butter, olive oils, avocado, etc.).

 

[rikishi]

I dont eat much, sadly.. but I think that my stomache is actually small, like smaller than normal, which makes me get full easily... :\

@Joe D:

So basically, lots of carbs, and use the GNC weight gainer after the weights?

BTW: I got a nice home-gym thing, got weights and everything, that kinda weights where you have a chair, and you have alot of options, pull down, etc.. dont know what they call it lol -_- its like a 5 in 1..

@cal62887:

Yeah, I do know that.. but lets say I keep a log of what I eat daily, how do I get the exact amound of calories at the end of the day, keeping in mind that every meal might differ from one place to another, like for example.. when I write down 'chicken with rice',there is no global number for that... so how does someone calclulate how much he eats each day?

@dabuffguy:

I will try to 'eat like an animal' but I really get full easily, someone told me the way to fix this is eat more than 5 meals a day, and have them well spaced apart.. good enough?
and where does the GNC shake come in place here?


@Rikishi:

That sounds good to me,


@everyone:

I also need a 'time where you would notice changes', I have tried to gain weight before ( 3 years ago ), and it failed... got me really dissapointed, I spent alot of money on alot of products, didnt gain any mass, but I did gain muslces in my arms and my stomache.. which is good and everything, but I want weight, I still look the same, but feel different, I want to change the look ^^

Thanks alot, really appreciate your help

You HAVE to eat 6-7 times a day. This will increase your metabolism and help your body utilize more nutrients. Your body can only absorb so many g of protein at a time. Spreading meals throughout the day allows your body to absorb more of the stuff that will help you pack on weight.

If your goal is a clean bulk (adding weight without adding fat) make sure you only eat low GI carbs (such as RED POTATOES, oats, wheat bread). If you goal is to dirty bulk (add as much weight as possible with fat) eat a blend of simple carbs (white bread, sugars, ect) with a blend of complex carbs and a LOT of protein. The key is to spread it out throughout the day.

Also make sure you eat a giant breakfast. This is very important. If theres a time to eat simple carbs (other than post workout), it is in the morning. Your body is coming off a long fast and your muscles need fuel.

 

[DaveTSI]

I dont eat much, sadly.. but I think that my stomache is actually small, like smaller than normal, which makes me get full easily... :\

well THERE'S yer problem lol

bro the best weight gainer is real food, dont waste money on that garbage. its so easy to eat 3-4k cals a day, which you would grow plenty off of. lots of potatoes, beef, chicken, peanut butter, cottage cheese, oatmeal, eggs is what i recommend. oh and your stomach will stretch, you actually need to eat frequently to make it happen.

 

[dabuffguy]

One thing I do to help stretch the stomach is eat as much solid food as ou posibly can. The binge down 1.5(44 oz or so) litres of whole milk. It will over fill your stomach and almost make you want to pass out. But it will give you exra fats, proteins and carbs. You do this enough and you will get hungry more often and have increased appetite.

even now, when my appetite is down, i will sit at the table an force feed chicken down my throat. A little water with chicken in each bite until I have enough. I always feel way full after doing this, and I have to get in the food.

 

[skinnyfit1]

Okay, so from what I understood:

- Eat a huge breakfast.
- Do some training, with schedule for everyday, and then shift the schedule every 3 weeks.
- Eat more meals, atleast 5 to 6 meals a day, including breakfast.
- Do some training / lifting before each meal, and after?
- After workouts,take the weight gainer... but do not depend on it as a meal, but as an extra..
- To expand my stomach, eat solid food, lots of it.. but I didnt quite understand, do I drink more milk to fill my stomach every day to stretch it, or just focus on filling it with my daily meals until I feel full, and then eat some more?

Questions:

Do I work out first thing in the morning before going to school? and then have breakfast? or what?

Do I take the weight gainers only after workouts, and before workouts I have a normal meal?

How many workouts per day do I do?, and do I just work until I feel that this is enough, or just follow the schedule someone else here posted?

Do I go to the local gym to lift some weights, or I can get enough work outs right here at home with the home-gym machine?

Thanks alot ^^

 

[rikishi]

Questions:

Do I work out first thing in the morning before going to school? and then have breakfast? or what?

Do I take the weight gainers only after workouts, and before workouts I have a normal meal?

How many workouts per day do I do?, and do I just work until I feel that this is enough, or just follow the schedule someone else here posted?

Do I go to the local gym to lift some weights, or I can get enough work outs right here at home with the home-gym machine?

Thanks alot ^^

1. Hell no! Always make sure you eat before you workout. Lift after school with 3 meals in your stomach. 1st meal is breakfast, 2nd meal is lunchtime, 3rd is a preworkout meal with a good amount of complex carbs and protein.

2. Yes. Most weight gainers are loaded with high GI carbs. Post workout is when you want to eat these types of carbs. Eat a normal meal with a lot of complex carbs and protein preworkout. I would also invest in BCAAs to take before your workout and immediately after your workout. I also take them before bed. They help keep you anabolic.

3. For workouts, try to keep it to one per day for now. Focus on a particular muscle group each day (ex: chest and triceps one day, back and biceps the next, legs the next). Always allow a minimum of 2 days in between working a muscle group for recovery, but that is the minimum. Example: if you lift chest and triceps Monday, do not lift them again until Thursday at the earliest. 3-4 days is what I usually allow depending on how hard I worked my muscles. If you have a long layoff from lifting and hit a muscle group very hard, it may take 6 days to recover. Make sure you lift hard. If your muscles are not fatigued you are not lifting hard enough. Do not confuse "sore" with fatigued either. Soreness is generally associated with layoffs and your body will not get sore after a few months of consistent training.

4. I doubt you can get a great workout with a home gym machine. Home gym machines are generally for people who do not have time to go to the gym and need to workout at home. I would try to lift at the local gym and definitely bring a spotter with you especially because you are inexperienced. Ask around the gym for as much advice as you can. Generally there are a lot of knowledgeable people who are willing to help you.

 

[sweed]

5- 7 meals a day is tough for a kid in school. I always had 2 tuna fish sandwiches packed for lunch. I would eat a sandwich mid day. then the other during lunch. or I ate both at lunch. I was like 150- 160 I highschool. I was 6'1"- 6'2" so I was a skinny mofo!.
Listen to all these guys. read up in the diet and training forums to get a solid program. use lighter weights and make sure to keep reps slow and controlled. really focus on the muscle being used in that particular exercise. Perfect your form now so you don't hurt yourself later. Don't get caught in heavy weight right now. throwing weight around and using momentum for lifts can cause injury. I got very slow now and use light weights. It works!
I like to training in the afternoon because my body feels 'awake' and energized.

Here is a sample diet.
Breakfast 6 am- 3 eggs and 6 egg whites. 1 cup of oatmeal. old fashion, not the flavored kind. Add in some fruit for some flavor.

meal 2- 9 am- 2 sandiwches. roast beef/ turkey/ chicken/ tuna etc. Try for bout 8-10 oz of meat. add in some cheese, cheddar, jack, prov, anything but american. some mayo.

3 hours later- lunch 12pm. same as meal 2.

3 hours later -same as meals 2 and 3. pretty simple isn't it!
hour- hour and half later, lift/ training.
right after lifting
a shake of whey 50-60 grams, simple carbs ( juice, dextrose, waxy maise) about 40- 60 grams. also 10 grams glutamine.

30-45 minutes later about meal full with proteins chicken, steak. 10- 16 oz. also some carbs such as sweet potatoe is fine. eat some greens and get in some efa's ( essential fatty acids) like olive oil, fish oil, flax seed oil. take efa's throuout the day as well. (good)fat---> testosterone!
If you can get another meal in with proteins good. Have a protein shake with some good fats again.
Go to sleep, get your 8-9 hours sleep and repeat!
Does yr school have a gym? If you go to a town gym, ask a trainer or an older guy that looks in shape. These older guys know how to workout and train. Kids tend not to know to train correctly these days! They have a jacked up jaw from talking too much. lol
Reading is your friend on here too! Make a nice grocery list for mom!

I am different like some of these guys on here, but I don't like to force feed myself. I get plenty of cals on my diet now. (since I am cutting)
Hope this helps!

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Weight first... I need more weight, then I will work on getting that weight into muscle

You do realise there are two types of weight:

Fat

&

Muscle


You cannot turn fat in to muscle, it is an old wives tale kind of myth, it just doesn't happen so focus on muscle from the off set.

Then listen to what these other guys have said

 

[ruairc]

I was 6'1, 161 lbs in 10th grade so I can relate. Here is what I would do if I could have done it all over again. I am also aware that nobody wakes up one day and changes their lifestyle to a 5 day workout regiment, nor do they create daily meal plans, let alone both... especially when they are teens, so this is what i would tell myself at 17, as well as you.

1. Eat more during your meals. Eat as much as you can. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Like the dudes said, force yourself to eat. Also, don't screw around when you eat. Eat faster and you'll find you eat more. Equally as important, do not skip meals or drink coffee or soda. Caffeine or nicotine are the worst thing for you if your trying to gain at your age.

2. Eat a protein bar inbetween each meal. Find them online. Don't buy anything from GNC or your getting half as much product for 10x the price. I get "Pure Protein" bars from Sams. 15 in a box for $15. They have 300 calories and 20 grams of protein. Even if your not hungry, you'll find these are easy to eat. Your not ging to have a shake with you wherever you go, but you can easily take the bars wherever you go.

3. Lift to grow. Don't worry about bicep curls, leg extensions or front shoulder raises. You can always add this later. For now, just perform these routines and your whole body will grow.

TUESDAY - Deadlifts, Lat pulldowns, Rows
THURSDAY - Flat chest press, inclined chest press, shoulder press
SATURDAY - Wide stance squats, normal stance squats, weighted ab crunches

You want to do 4 sets of each of these exercises. The first set use lighter weight just to warm up your bodyou can do 10 reps. The next 3 sets you want to increase the weight so you can get 6 or 8 reps.

Do back on tuesday, save chest for thursday so you dont skip it. save legs for saturday so you have the most time to dedicate to completing the entire routine without skimping.

this is your first 3 month routine. if you can handle more, do more, but this is your requirement. do no less than this and you will see significant growth in your physique within just 3 months. once you'v accomplished this goal, we can create a new one.

best of luck.

 

[skinnyfit1]

Alright,

Here is what I am doing for this week, I am eating like I normally do, recording everything on fitday software so I can get a report of how much calories I am eating, and compare it with how much I need, just to see how things are really.. is that good?

Next week, I will start with the programs suggested here, huge breakfast, 2 sandwiches at school, low on the soda drinks, 2 extra meals, and then some weights, slowly...
and ofcourse, I will be taking the GNC weight gainer from next week, right after my workouts ^^

the GYM is right next to my house, I will go there talk to the trainer and see if he can give me a weekly program to stick to, weights only ofcourse...

I will be posting the fitday report for this week, and see if you guys have any advice to pump it up, and then post another report for my ' new lifestyle ' program ;D

thanks everyone for there help, I really appreciate it... I am seriously done with being skinny, and hope it will all change

 

[joe d]

sounds good.