14th Amendment. Is this okay?

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/us/29babies.html?src=me&ref=general

Its amazing the lengths people will go to give their children a life in America

 

[inkspot]

It's even more amazing we as Americans put up with this crap. Just cause you're here and having a baby does not entitle your child citizenship. You are a citizen of the country you parents are from. The 14th amendment was meant for slaves born in this country to be citizens, not illegals sneaking in.

 

[mrplunkey]

We need more sane citizenship rules that can be established via constitutional amendment. Our current system puts a huge drain on our social services, our schools and our economy in general.

This would be a perfect cause for someone to demonstrate leadership. You know, like a president who promised to unite us with a new kind of politics.

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

Would denying these people the freedoms and rights within our jurisdiction go against the very beliefs/philosophies we preach accross the globe?

Its almost like we have put ourselves in a pickle, we have allowed this to go on for so long Im not really sure what we can do to fix it without causing problems.

 

[cindylou]

These particular mothers are leaving the country after they have their babies. It's weird. They are not trying to give their children a life in America. It's more like a citizenship insurance policy just in case. Worse?

 

[mrplunkey]

Would denying these people the freedoms and rights within our jurisdiction go against the very beliefs/philosophies we preach accross the globe?

Its almost like we have put ourselves in a pickle, we have allowed this to go on for so long Im not really sure what we can do to fix it without causing problems.

But we aren't denying them their individual rights while they are here.

That's the issue at stake: Being on our soil does guarantee you to due process and other individual rights (fair trials, right to not self-incriminate, speedy trials). What it shouldn't confer is citizenship rights regardless of how you were born here.

Picture this: If a woman murdered several border agents and made it one foot over the border to have her baby, does anyone here think the baby should automatically receive citizenship?

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

I think is b/s all the way around. I just know how we seem to get ourselves in binding situations that make it difficult for any real change to occur.

 

[samoth]

It's even more amazing we as Americans put up with this crap. Just cause you're here and having a baby does not entitle your child citizenship. You are a citizen of the country you parents are from.

In the future, perhaps you should try to actually learn something about a subject before making yourself look like a complete idiot.

 

[nangiggles]

I thought women were discouraged from flying once they pass the 6th month of pregnancy....

 

[inkspot]

In the future, perhaps you should try to actually learn something about a subject before making yourself look like a complete idiot.

Interpretation college boy..

1866 "The Supreme Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must be United States citizens."

"The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship."

ink

 

[RottenWillow]

Interpretation college boy..

1866 "The Supreme Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must be United States citizens."

"The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship."

ink

I happen to be a naturalized American citizen and I totally agree with the spirit of this law.


Samote's immigration attorney girlfriend will be here momentarily to tell us how ignorant we are though.

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

Interpretation college boy..

1866 "The Supreme Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must be United States citizens."

"The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship."

ink

Interesting...nice

Samoth cmon....im waiting to read your response lol

 

[cindylou]

I thought women were discouraged from flying once they pass the 6th month of pregnancy....

hmmmm...I don't think so..not anymore. I was free to fly until week 37....but I think certain airlines might have their own policy where you have to have a doctor's note or something...

 

[samoth]

Samoth cmon....im waiting to read your response lol

A quote from 1866? So, if I'm interpreting the constitution correctly from that year, blacks are slaves and women can't vote. I mean, what exactly was the purpose of that retort?

Anti-immigration trolls are damned annoying. Are you seriously arguing that a person born in the US isn't a US citizen? There's nothing to debate about that unless you just want to bitch about mexicans taking your shitty job or something.

 

[nimbus]

illegal immigrants are a great source of cheap exploitable labor, usually pay taxes and don't file returns, and don't cost the state that much on a per capita basis

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

A quote from 1866? So, if I'm interpreting the constitution correctly from that year, blacks are slaves and women can't vote. I mean, what exactly was the purpose of that retort?

Anti-immigration trolls are damned annoying. Are you seriously arguing that a person born in the US isn't a US citizen? There's nothing to debate about that unless you just want to bitch about mexicans taking your shitty job or something.

I just wanted to see what you were going to write to inkspot that all

I know little about the pros and cons of this topic, I was just curious about what my fellow guys and gals thought