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Benzi

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Now, a person's # of necessarily reflect there knowledge of as and sups, although it does reflect how long the person has been a member of the board. I have noticed that all people making outrageous claims about its use, and people who seem to set up questions for others to possibly bs an answer, all have less than 100 posts. I don't know... do I smell advertising. I have bought the stuff and now I’m wondering if I had made the right decision. I will keep everyone posted on my gains, and if I don't gain shit odds are you won't gain shit.
If I’m wrong than I’m sorry, but it had to be said. No to mention that the people who seem to be advertising only apply (w/the exception of a few posts) to 1-ad threads. Not only do they reply to the thread, but also they explain 1-ad in an advertising kind of way, if you know what I mean.
Having said this, I would like to know if anyone who has over 100 posts has had any luck with the product. Also, people who haven’t had any results.
People with less than 100 posts need not respond... but if you must go ahead.
Just so you know I’m not calling the guys liars, I just would like to see what old(er)-school elite members think about he product.
Thanks:mix:
 
Bro, I think you're a little paranoid . . .

I really don't care how many posts I have. I've been lurking unregistered on this board for six months now. After years of using the internet and subscribing to various message boards and discussion forums, I have come to the conclusion that it is often much easier to learn things by reading existing posts than by posting questions. BUT, if there is something you really need to know right away, it is easier to post and get an answer, and also, if I feel I can help people out and help them to understand the pros and cons of the things I've done/used, that I am morally compelled to do so. Which is part of the reason why I registered towards the end of my 1-AD cycle. I wanted to present an unbiased account of my 1-AD experience. In regard to Patrick Arnold, frankly, I think he came out with a very solid product. Biotest is really trying to discredit him, and I love T-Mag (especially all the old poliquin articles), but I think their claims about his product being ineffective/worthless are way offbase and are marketing techniques which are backed by no solid truth; it seems they just hope to get by making such statements as "1-ad is not very effective" because of the loyalty of their readers. I think PA's subtrate series is crap (androstendione is pointless from what I've read, it should be all diol or a combination of androdiol and norandrodiol with the dispersion technology in my opinion . . .) I also think that 4-AD is pretty crappy for strength gains, as I have used it and experience nothing profound about its ability to do nothing besides make me feel bloated.

1-AD has caused me to lose a good deal of hair. Would a PA advertiser admit to this? Patrick's official response to questions about hairloss go something to the tune of, "1-AD doesn't seem to be especially hard on the hairline . . ."

1-AD has given me the really tired, itchy eye thing too. It bugs me.

1-AD has also given me some slight insomnia.

After 1 month of taking 1-AD, I am definitely fatter, 10 or 12 lbs. heavier . . . However . . .

I am WAY STRONGER. I am repping my old maxes in the bench/squat 4 and 3 times, respectively. Isn't this a bodybuilding board? The majority of the people here care more about size/definition that pure, limit strength. As far as strength goes, I consider it to be the best supp I have ever taken, with micronized creatine in grapejuice/gatorade/tang behind it.

Point is, Brotha, I'm just tellin' it like it is . . . don't be so paranoid, and I hope this reply helps you out.
 
If i can speak on behalf of some members I know this is not the first time a product comes out and people w/ less than 50posts even come out and make outrageous claims of their products. This happens *especially* when a biotest product comes out. It's so reliable that it will happen you can place a bet on it, and a lot of them are in fact biotest employees obviously. The guy posting has probobly never used it, and is probobly a fat turd behind the computer getting paid to make up outrageous claims. And they somehow all dissappear very shortly after their outrageous claims.
I'm not calling you a liar bro, i'm just saying what has happened before. And i been on these boards for quite a while, so i know a few company's tricks. We just have to be more skeptical and read everything w/ a bit of skepticism. Afterall, in this business we have to be a bit skeptical anyway, if we weren't we'd all run out and go buy stuff like "the beast". So don't take anything to the heart bro... IMO you do sound honest and i believe you. But you just got to be careful like i mentioned earlier.


Biotest's outrageous claims :destroy:
 
It seems that there has been an explosion of posts lately regarding 1-AD. Supplements in general make me skeptical. I've been had too many times by boron, smilax, and countless others in my twenty years of training. Real juice works, most supplements do not. This is especially true of supplements that compare their potential results to juice results, "feels like deca", etc.

That said, I feel, and I admit I don't know why I feel this way, PA is above planting posts. I don't know whether 1-AD is the real deal because I haven't tried it, but I plan to, which is saying a lot given my contempt for hyped supplements. Arnold seems from his posts here and on anabolex to be a guy who can speak for himself and doesn't need stooges to do his dirty work. I could be wrong and I admit it.
 
I for one know someone that is cycling the famed 1AD and I work / workout with him. His results, side affects, comments, are what I will use to make an educated decision on weather I ever cycle it.

Not posts form boards, not even if the poster had over 300 posts.

Oh damn......I just realized I am not supposed to respond to this.
 
JayBro said:
I for one know someone that is cycling the famed 1AD and I work / workout with him. His results, side affects, comments, are what I will use to make an educated decision on weather I ever cycle it.

Not posts form boards, not even if the poster had over 300 posts.

Oh damn......I just realized I am not supposed to respond to this.
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Jay, you must see where i am coming from and why i choose 100 posts as amarkers. Sure, many legit elite members don't have that many posts, and i can garuntee you that NONE of the fake elite members have over 100. That is why i would like feedback form people with over 100 posts.
And no offense to Fortes, but his post sounds like an advertisment.
Don't hate, but be truthful.
 
All I know is that I am no voucher to help out with Ergopharms sales. I do not have alot of posts, but slient surfer can vouch for me as we live right by each other. I could care less if anyone uses 1-AD. I could care less if they buy it from Ergopharm, or get one heck of a deal on buying it from KiloSports in powder form. All I know is that it is working. I recover so quick, that I am rarely sore at all. No hair loss, little stomach pain, but I have had some wicked headaches. They were ALOT worse in week 1, but now in week 3 and still comes and goes a little. My strength is up a ton, and weight jumped in the first week, but has stayed around +12pds the past 2 weeks. No body fat. I will post pics at end of cycle to let you all see. Stuff is expensive. So, don't have your little conspiracy theory unless you have some proof of it.
 
Benzi,

I definetly see where you are comming from and I agree. Too many people decide to, or not to, take a supp based on what they read on boards. I read all the post too. My point is that the information should only be part of the research needed to make the decision, and then once the decision is made you are really only trying a product that may or may not have "good" effects for you.

I also agree that alot of posts look like carefully placed ads.
 
BENZI i would just like to say not all people are treated equal geneticly, just as all peoples workouts are not the same and all peoples eating habits are not the same. I have used supplements for years and most are just a waste of money, but i have seen people get good results from supplements that did nothing for me but take my money. DO I BELIEVE 1AD will put twenty pounds on in a cycle no! But ONCE AGAIN NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL. If it does not work for you make sure the manufacturer heres from you and post your result, but no matter what is said here people are going to try 1ad and make their claims.
 
To Benzi:

Hey bro, you may not know me at all, and I may not have been here for very long, but let me say this. If you don't make any gains on 1-AD, I will be more than suprised. The stuff is truely awesome. It doesn't really matter to me whether or not you believe me, but the truth is this stuff really works. I have yet to hear anyone say it hasn't worked. If I do hear it, it'll probably be because they didn't bother to cycle it correctly, eat enough food, train hard enough, etc. I just bought 3 more bottles the other night. Yeah, it costs a lot, but it's by far the best supplement I've ever tried. Personally, I have a feeling the FDA will end up stepping in and banning the stuff eventually. It seems they don't approve of anything that ACTUALLY WORKS. Anyway, it's great stuff. Best of luck to you with it bro.

--MH50
 
My only question is, do you count messages like 'bump' in your rating of expertise?
Actually, you're right to be suspicious of anyone making outrageous claims about ANY supplement. Anyone who's been training for any appreciable length of time knows that nothing is going to replace hard work and solid eating(Pharmaceuticals maybe. I wouldn't know.) The gains I've made using 1-AD have not been staggeringly better than gains I've made without it, and due to my own personal paranoia about losing my hair I'll probably play it safe and not use 1-AD again. Besides, I'd rather not depend on anything other than protein.
Also, I did take before pics and plan to take some after, which I might, depending on whether the pictures show anything substantial, being willing to post.
And by the way, Patrick Arnold is one of the very few people in the supplement industry who deserves respect for not bullshitting people. Ergopharm's ads are, for the most part, mercifully free of the sort of outlandish hyperbole(See Syntrax) that is so common in the muscle rags of today.
 
Okay, I don't really see how my post seems like an advertisement. If you actually read my long-ass post (yeah, I know I babble :-) you would have realized a couple of things:

1. 1-AD gives you hairloss - would PA want to advertise this?

2. 1-AD gives you tired, itchy eyes - again, why would PA pay me to say that?

3. I personally ragged on one of his supplements (androstendione/diol substrate stack) - why would he pay me to do that?

Whatever, I don't need to sit here to try and prove to you that I'm not an advertiser. I like this board a lot, and I plan on being here for a while. I wish you were right, and that PA was paying me to advertise his products!
 
yea and it's funny that the guys that say they have gained almost always include "I've been surfing this site for some time without registering" I mainly frequent the anabolic board but due to certain circumstances I've never been able to do my first cycle. I'm thinking about trying 1-AD to see if it's all hype and I will let you guys know my results.
 
Delinquent said:
yea and it's funny that the guys that say they have gained almost always include "I've been surfing this site for some time without registering" I mainly frequent the anabolic board but due to certain circumstances I've never been able to do my first cycle. I'm thinking about trying 1-AD to see if it's all hype and I will let you guys know my results.
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It's good to see that some people see what i'm talking about. Listen, i am not saying that everyone with few posts is helping Pat advertise, although i do believe that a lot of them are. Out of respect i will keep their names anonymous.

Also, for those who say everyone's body works definitely and reacts differently to supplementation, i agree. Having said this, i don't expect to gain the 20-25 lbs that some people have posted, i would like to see that if after 2 bottles of taking the max dose, eating right, training and sleeping right, that i gain at least 5-8 lbs of muscle. If i do, that is amazing. If i don't, i really will no be surprised. In addition, i have added a topical Andro to the stack. Maybe that will aid in 1-ad living up to it's hype.

For all those wrongly accused, i apologize. For all those screwing with us bb's, F U!
 
Benzi, part of me understands your initial post but another part of me says the number of post shouldn't matter. I've been registered here for quite some time but I rarely post any messages. Being 43, I've read/heard & tried lots of Bodybuilding recommendations. Some of the stuff I read posted hear is just stuff that quite frankly, I've answered for myself and don't feel I need to comment on. Other times though, when I come across something that I feel would really benefit others, well than I "Post" a msg about it. Having said that, it shouldn't be suprising that I don't have many postings(yes - that means many things just don't work - supplement wise). Nonetheless, I have 25 years of lifting experience and I think that counts for alot more than whether I have 100 or more post. As for 1-AD, Yes I've used it and yes I've made impressive gains, both weight-wise and Strength wise. I will be starting another cycle in late November. So far I haven't noticed any side-effects, but maybe that just me. Anyway, I'm not trying to jump your case but I am trying to say that no. of post doesn't = experience, some of us members just want to read for anything "New" out there and we're not concerned with commenting on every posting that comes along. P.S. I'm not a sales or pitchman for any product just a person who very much enjoys the sport of "Bodybuilding" and spreading the word on products that are at least,...... worth a try.
 
Now, a person's # of necessarily reflect there knowledge of as and sups, although it does reflect how long the person has been a member of the board.

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Big arnold, i totally agree with you. I tried to make that clear with my first post.
 
I felt the same way about Triple Threat. The raves on this board are pretty outrageous. But I gave it a try and am very satisfied.

I liked 1-ad, but I did have some stomach problems and hair loss. That seems to be the consensus among the other posters, too.
 
yeah benzi

I agree if i could gain about 5-7lbs of 1-ad I'll be happy too.

I'm on my 16th day and taking the max 9 pills a day

I have gained weight around 5-6lbs but most of that is body fat because I'm eating alot more

Not so much because that the 1-ad has increased my appetite but having done a couple of cycles of roids in the past I know that you have to increase the calories in order to grow no matter what your taking

I would estimate that i have gained maybe 2lbs of muscle so far

I'll do bench tommorow but the last time i did bench i was able to get 275x10 up from pre cycle 275x8, so there has been a strength increase.

but as far as these people claiming to gain 10lbs of muscle in a week I dont buy it, that wouldn't even happen on a good cycle of roids.

the pumps I've been getting in the past week are almost as good as the one's I would get on A TEST & EQ cycle.

If i can keep on increasing my stength and add 4-6lbs more I 'll say it will be worth it but we will see

I'll keep you posted

MY ORIGINAL POST IS NAMED 1-AD READ

check it out
 
Just my .02 folks.

No, I haven't tried 1-AD, though I plan on starting a cycle the first of the year.

But I spend alot of time reading on some of these boards, and also on MFW. PA is on a very short list of people I truly believe, along with Lyle McDonald, Elzi Volk, and Par Deus.

In my opinion, these people give straight information, and don't get into most of the hype and BS surrounding the supplement industry.
 
Benzi,

I won't comment on the 1-AD except the negatives then.

I too experienced more than ordinary hair loss, re-occuring headaches, and a slight discomfort from urination. If that's company hype, I think I'm going to get fired. Hope that helps.

As to # of posts, shit! I thought that was a ranking! :()
 
Benzi said:
Now, a person's # of necessarily reflect there knowledge of as and sups, although it does reflect how long the person has been a member of the board. I have noticed that all people making outrageous claims about its use, and people who seem to set up questions for others to possibly bs an answer, all have less than 100 posts. I don't know... do I smell advertising. I have bought the stuff and now I’m wondering if I had made the right decision. I will keep everyone posted on my gains, and if I don't gain shit odds are you won't gain shit.
If I’m wrong than I’m sorry, but it had to be said. No to mention that the people who seem to be advertising only apply (w/the exception of a few posts) to 1-ad threads. Not only do they reply to the thread, but also they explain 1-ad in an advertising kind of way, if you know what I mean.
Having said this, I would like to know if anyone who has over 100 posts has had any luck with the product. Also, people who haven’t had any results.
People with less than 100 posts need not respond... but if you must go ahead.
Just so you know I’m not calling the guys liars, I just would like to see what old(er)-school elite members think about he product.
Thanks:mix:
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OK boys, they finally are on to us here. On to the next message board website.
 
riskybizz007 said:
If i can speak on behalf of some members I know this is not the first time a product comes out and people w/ less than 50posts even come out and make outrageous claims of their products. This happens *especially* when a biotest product comes out. It's so reliable that it will happen you can place a bet on it, and a lot of them are in fact biotest employees obviously. The guy posting has probobly never used it, and is probobly a fat turd behind the computer getting paid to make up outrageous claims. And they somehow all dissappear very shortly after their outrageous claims.
I'm not calling you a liar bro, i'm just saying what has happened before. And i been on these boards for quite a while, so i know a few company's tricks. We just have to be more skeptical and read everything w/ a bit of skepticism. Afterall, in this business we have to be a bit skeptical anyway, if we weren't we'd all run out and go buy stuff like "the beast". So don't take anything to the heart bro... IMO you do sound honest and i believe you. But you just got to be careful like i mentioned earlier.


Biotest's outrageous claims :destroy:
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The power of advertisement!!!! and word of mouth!!!! I have very few posts, I am a fat turd behind a computer... biotest... I am perfect for you!!!! how much for my outrages claims???? give me some "dinero amigos"..... :)
 
yep pat...

LOL...that's right pat, I think we better pack up and go, they caught us. But I'm gonna take my 1-AD with me cause it FREAKIN WORKS!!! Screw the number of posts, everyone had to start at 0 one time in their message board life, right? Ok then.
 
Wow, this is the last time I am going to say this:
A person's number of posts doesn't represent their knowledge, yet it does instill credibility. I'm sure that many of you with fewer than 100 posts are not promoters, although I have speculated that few are and wanted to make the board aware of this. I wouldn't want people to lose their hard earned money on a product that is going to turn their shit and piss into fire, make their eyes looked fucked up, make their hairline recede, and give them terrible stomach aches.

Personally, I have been taking the maximum dose for about 5 days now and I haven’t noticed a difference. Don't get me wrong, even with good as cycles one needs more than a week or two to notice a significant difference.
This being said, I also believe that there is not possible way one can gain 20-30 lbs off of this supplement unless they are a newbie. This is what I would consider an OUTRAGEUOS claim. I mean, I have seen men who are amateur bb's that partake in ridiculous bulking cycles and they are happy if they gain 8-15 lbs of muscle. This of course, being void of water and fat.

I will keep everyone posted on the results of my cycle.
Remember:
<sum> I have experienced each of the side effects listed; some are more extreme than others
<sum> I am taking the maximum dosage of Egopharm’s 1-AD, as well as their Andro Spray
<sum> I plan on taking their tribulus at the end of the cycle to counter effect the sides
<sum> I have increase my caloric intake, while also increasing my protein intake
<sum> My training remains the same, HIT system by MAXOUT (week 3), and will remain the same throughout the cycle (program plays with muscle confusion, so there should be no strength plateaus… I would assume)
<sum> I am supplementing with creatin, and other base sups, I also drink about 1 gallon of water/day
<sum> I am getting, on avg., 7-10 hours of sleep per night

I would expect to gain at least 5-8 lbs of muscle form this cycle. If I do not, then I doubt anyone will gain 20-25 lbs…. Of even 10 lbs to say the most.
 
Yep, pat and bird, lets go . . .

Hey Benzi, I'm off 1-AD and my strength is STILL going up.

Maybe if you dropped that HIT SHIT and did a real workout you'd actually gain some real strength/size!

Just kidding, I too use the 1 hard set style sometimes - it's nice when you don't have the time to sit in the spa all day and do nothing but drink protein and lay around. I can vouch for its efficacy from personal experience, even though Dr. Squat would yell at me for even thinking this thought. Although I usually do 1 hard set of 5-8 reps, not the 15-20 that Mike Mentzer advocated. The mainstay of my training, however, is at least three sets per lift, 3-6 reps, and one lift per muscle group (I.E., bench for chest, skullcrushers for tris, front raises for delts, 3 sets each). Too high volume = overtraining. Everytime I increase my volume drastically, I burn out in about 2 weeks. Ever since I've been keeping the volume down, I've been making long term strength gains like a champ, plus I only feel like taking 1 week off every 10-12 weeks, wheras before it was like every month!
 
Forstes,
Maxout's programe consists of 5 days on, 2 days off
9 sets for large muscle groups (divide into 3 excercises)
7 sets for small
4-6 reps per set

I don't believe in one set lifts, i would be too prone to injury
check out the program and see how it works for you, i have made some impressive gains in stregth and mass for the last couple of months.
 
On a positive note, i would like to add that the majority of the side effects as subsided.
My piss no longer burns, nor does my shit.
No more stomach aches.
If my hear still falls out, i'm dropping the product. My hairline has receded slightly, i believe, it could just be paranoia

I have some backne outbreaks, i beleive it is form the Andro spray as it is usually common

That is it for now... My strechth has remained the same, and so has my weight
Right now i am about 140, i will compare this to my weight at the end of the cycle
 
Benzi, sounds a lot like what I do . . . except I use a little less volume. I find it's necessary to do so because right now I have a stressful real life schedule (what the hell is real life anyways? Being at the gym, right?)

Day 1 -

Bench Press, 3-5 sets, 3-6 reps.
Tricep Work, 4-5 sets, 5-8 reps.
RC's, 4 sets, 8-12 reps. (neglecting this one lately . . .)

Day 2 -

Pull-ups, 4 sets of 10 (or whatever you can do before failure).
Barbell rows, 2 sets of 6-8.
Dumbell rows, 2 sets of 6-8.
T-bar rows, 2 sets of 8-12.
Some kind of trap work . . .

My back recovers faster than any other muscle group, so I still hit it with some good volume. I like to get in 100 reps for any lat workout.

When I feel up to it, I'll do deadlifts, 2-5 sets of 4-8 reps.

Day 3 -

Squats, 3-5 sets of 3-6 reps.
Romanian Deadlifts, 3-5 sets of 6-10 reps.
Glute-Ham raises (when I feel like jerryrigging it), 4 sets of 10-15
Calf raises, 100 reps total, superset different devices.


And thats a week! I've been doing this type of workout for 10 months solid now, with maybe a month off total downtime. As for periodization of intensity, I have followed Poliquin's 5% solution. It is, without a doubt, my favorite workout - very simple, self-regulating, no-frills and effective. THIS is INTEGRAL, I feel, to the success of my workouts: to constantly know exactly where I stand, and from workout to workout, know that I'm increasing my strength. My projected lifts have gone from:

Squat 350 Bench 240 Deadlift 400

to

Squat 445 Bench 360 Deadlift 500

And my bodyweight has gone from 212 to 255.

I seldom max out; I feel it is simply a waste of time if you're not competing. Max calculators are very useful, if you ask me. If you're wondering why my squat and dead have improved so much less than my bench, I tore my hamstring over the summer while training to play football at Moorpark College. It took me a full 8 weeks to get back into lifting again, 10 to go heavy. So that cut my progress short in those two lifts. If anyone wants a 5% solution spreadsheet, let me know! I'll gladly mail one.
 
Fortes,
Yeah man, send me the spreadsheet
it sounds good
I have been training for a while and have hit a killer plateau in the last couple of weeks. This is why i'm trying that 1-ad stuff. I have been considering an anavar only cycle, that is, if my plateau persists. Have you gone an any cycles? Those gains you have made ove the last year are damn impressive. Shoot me a PM. Peace bro and keep on growing.
 
alright guys, i have two more side effects to mention
bachne -- i thinks it's the andro spray
insomnia - yea, it's 6 o'clock right now
i have class in 2 hours, my back is killing me because i worked out today and i'm not giving it a chance to recover.

What is a good non-addicting sleeping pill
oh yea, OTC too
Benadrill and Tylenol PM no longer work for me
i think i'll need a little help sleeping if i am going to stay on this stuff
 
I still don't see anyone with several hundered posts come out and talk about his 1ad experience as benzi has asked. Same old arguments from guys who hardly have any posts or who mostly accumulated posts from hyping 1ad.

Testoman
 
Benzi said:
On a positive note, i would like to add that the majority of the side effects as subsided.
My piss no longer burns, nor does my shit.
No more stomach aches.
If my hear still falls out, i'm dropping the product. My hairline has receded slightly, i believe, it could just be paranoia

I have some backne outbreaks, i beleive it is form the Andro spray as it is usually common

That is it for now... My strechth has remained the same, and so has my weight
Right now i am about 140, i will compare this to my weight at the end of the cycle
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Does your back feel very tired in the lower back my back is very tired feeling and I never had that before:fro: :fro:
 
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