500mg Test, 100mcg T3, 20mcg Clen....

[skinsfan]

Been about three weeks now, how come I am not shredded!!!

Honestly though, how long will it take for me to get cut, I'm 190 right now about 15% BF. I'm eating around 1500 calories a day atm, sometimes a bit less or a bit more but for the most part very steady. I feel like I've lost weight but it sure as hell doesn't seem like I'm on a bunch of drugs to do it. It doesn't feel like much more than the reduced calorie diet.

 

[sonicwaste]

post up your exact diet. Not only your main meals... but drinks, sweeteners, spices, sauces, etc...

What's your cardio routine look like?

What's your training routine look like?

 

[skinsfan]

post up your exact diet. Not only your main meals... but drinks, sweeteners, spices, sauces, etc...

What's your cardio routine look like?

What's your training routine look like?

The morning is three scrambled eggs and a V8 juice. Lunch is either a turkey sub from wawa (plain with spicy mustard) or a burrito bowl (no rice - just black beans, chicken, salsa). Dinner is one chicken breast cooked in canola oil with old bay, pepper, and sometimes thyme. And around 8 or 9 (about two hours before I fall asleep) I have an Elite 12 hour protein shake with 5g's of BCAA and one scoop of Acai powder. Occasionally I'll have a sugar free chocolate pudding if I need something that tastes decent (70 calories). Oh and I usually have one diet dr. pepper each day.

I train 3-4 times a week atm, depending on muscle soreness. I don't have any specific cardio days, I instead lift intenesely almost circuit style on my training day. After 30 minutes I'm sweating worse than an hour of cardio.

 

[sonicwaste]

Main problem is you diet is shaky... Second problem is that you aren't doing cardio every day.

 

[Manuelmcom]

when on cycle you must work out and do cardio at least 5 days a week even if you are sore to see noticeably results training 3 or 4 days is not enough it's just a waste of gear in my opinion.

 

[sonicwaste]

when on cycle you must work out and do cardio at least 5 days a week even if you are sore to see noticeably results training 3 or 4 days is not enough it's just a waste of gear in my opinion.

That's not true at all, except for the cardio part.

It's severely stupid to train a fatigued/sore muscle... that's a waste of gear. It's important to scale back volume and frequency during a cut.

I train 3 times per week while cutting, DC style. Cardio 2 hours every day. The scaled back frequency, high intensity, low reps, heavier weight helps to maintain LBM.

cardio should really be done every day to maximize potential... But I suppose in the early stages of dieting you could get away with 5x per week.

 

[skinsfan]

Main problem is you diet is shaky... Second problem is that you aren't doing cardio every day.

With what I'm eating atm I'm right around 160 grams of protein each day, that includes the before bed casein shake. I drink around 2.5L of water each day and also take a raw foods vitamin. What do you recommend as far as switching the diet around? Preferably without whole veggies, I'd like to think the v8 and raw foods vitamin could handle that portion.

As far as cardio goes I can definitely start doing some, I guess I'm just afraid of losing too much muscle while I'm on such a low calorie diet.

 

[skinsfan]

when on cycle you must work out and do cardio at least 5 days a week even if you are sore to see noticeably results training 3 or 4 days is not enough it's just a waste of gear in my opinion.

in my own experience in the past I get huge on any kind of anabolic and it gets put on fast. I have a general schedule I keep but I will put off a day if my muscles are still noticeably sore and judging by the size I put on in the past I don't think its been an issue.

 

[Manuelmcom]

That's not true at all, except for the cardio part.

It's severely stupid to train a fatigued/sore muscle... that's a waste of gear. It's important to scale back volume and frequency during a cut.
Thats BS, when on cycle if the gear is good any muscle will recover within 48 hours giving you time to train any muscle twice per week

I train 3 times per week while cutting, DC style. Cardio 2 hours every day. The scaled back frequency, high intensity, low reps, heavier weight helps to maintain LBM.

cardio should really be done every day to maximize potential... But I suppose in the early stages of dieting you could get away with 5x per week.

Training 3 times a week may be good to maintain but your muscles wont look as hard

 

[Varga]

Dude, 1500 cal?
Who told you to do it like this....Why so little food?
160gr of protein and you weigh 190lbs..all you doing is starving bro

 

[sonicwaste]

Training 3 times a week may be good to maintain but your muscles wont look as hard

I'm on keto style diet, training 3x per week. My muscles are rock hard, I'm super dry and vascular... Now, I am definitely a little flat... But I'd rather be dry, hard, and lean.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Been about three weeks now, how come I am not shredded!!!

Honestly though, how long will it take for me to get cut, I'm 190 right now about 15% BF. I'm eating around 1500 calories a day atm, sometimes a bit less or a bit more but for the most part very steady. I feel like I've lost weight but it sure as hell doesn't seem like I'm on a bunch of drugs to do it. It doesn't feel like much more than the reduced calorie diet.

Oh wow, problem number 1 is you arent eating nearly ENOUGH while on the gear. While on cycle your protein intake needs to be MUCH higher and your cals need to be at maintenance or slightly higher but VERY CLEAN. Youre basically wasting 500mg of test each week if you are only eating 160g protein you arent giving your body the cals and protein needed to add muscle and therefore burn fat. With the diet you are on it would have been much better to run something like SARMS to save muscle while cutting, along with LIPOSHRED stack because Clen is not worth the health risks for minimal results but some people just wont let clen go for whatever reason, and T3 well I suppose thats fine. You need to be eating 5-6 small meals every couple of hours with 30gs or so of CLEAN carbs especially around lifting and 40-50g protein each meal if you want to really get anything out of the 500mg of test.

Lots of changes if you want to get anything of significance from that run.

-Legacy

 

[skinsfan]

Oh wow, problem number 1 is you arent eating nearly ENOUGH while on the gear. While on cycle your protein intake needs to be MUCH higher and your cals need to be at maintenance or slightly higher but VERY CLEAN. Youre basically wasting 500mg of test each week if you are only eating 160g protein you arent giving your body the cals and protein needed to add muscle and therefore burn fat. With the diet you are on it would have been much better to run something like SARMS to save muscle while cutting, along with LIPOSHRED stack because Clen is not worth the health risks for minimal results but some people just wont let clen go for whatever reason, and T3 well I suppose thats fine. You need to be eating 5-6 small meals every couple of hours with 30gs or so of CLEAN carbs especially around lifting and 40-50g protein each meal if you want to really get anything out of the 500mg of test.

Lots of changes if you want to get anything of significance from that run.

-Legacy

I know what you mean Legacy, and the first time I did test I ate like a horse but still clean and I got huge. I put on almost 40 lbs from that cycle and it was only 250mg test every 5 days with nothing else.

Even at the calorie amount I'm eating now I'm actually putting on weight, its ridicolous! I wanted to do this cycle just to maintain what I have and burn fat and that was it, size or muscle gain is not what I am looking for. But I literally have gained 2 lbs since I started the cycle and I'm close to 1000 calories per day under what I was eating before I started.

The fat is coming off steadily, don't get me wrong, but I guess I thought it would fly off like some miracle. I'm going to try morning cardio (empty stomach) before work 4x a week for the next two weeks and see how that works out for me. If I'm still not down into single digit bodyfat then I may try a keto for a bit.

 

[Captain FT]

As far as cardio goes I can definitely start doing some, I guess I'm just afraid of losing too much muscle while I'm on such a low calorie diet.

Test, Clen, and T3 I'd be eating calorie surplus based on LBM still and let the extra muscle from the test burn more calories. 20mcg's of clen isn't much, I usually start at 50mcg's and work up to 100mcg's split in 2 through the day by the 3rd rotation of 2wks on/off.

The Test requires extra calories, the clen is burning extra calories and the T3 is burning even more. You need more food, more frequently to see the results you want.

Mentally I think you need to approach this with the goal of putting on mass and the changes in body composition alone will yield the results you are looking for with the clen/t3 ontop of test. You are approaching this with the mindset of cutting and calorie restriction and you are hindering your own progress. More food, more frequently and keep it clean. Lift heavy and do cardio and you will morph.

 

[skinsfan]

Test, Clen, and T3 I'd be eating calorie surplus based on LBM still and let the extra muscle from the test burn more calories. 20mcg's of clen isn't much, I usually start at 50mcg's and work up to 100mcg's split in 2 through the day by the 3rd rotation of 2wks on/off.

The Test requires extra calories, the clen is burning extra calories and the T3 is burning even more. You need more food, more frequently to see the results you want.

Mentally I think you need to approach this with the goal of putting on mass and the changes in body composition alone will yield the results you are looking for with the clen/t3 ontop of test. You are approaching this with the mindset of cutting and calorie restriction and you are hindering your own progress. More food, more frequently and keep it clean. Lift heavy and do cardio and you will morph.

I guess I do have the wrong mindset then. I mean I'm already muscular for my size. 15% bodyfat was too high of an estimate, at 190 lbs my back has almost zero fat and you can see my top two abs as well as leg muscle lines, but I still have the front belly fat and love handles. I was hoping the extreme calorie deficit would finally get rid of that belly fat and my love handles, and the test would help me maintain the muscle I have.

Keep in mind also that I prefer to be more athletic around my natural bodyweights than to be a mass monster above 200lbs. I started my cardio the other day and I actually feel like I'm already noticing a difference.

 

[Captain FT]

I guess I do have the wrong mindset then. I mean I'm already muscular for my size. 15% bodyfat was too high of an estimate, at 190 lbs my back has almost zero fat and you can see my top two abs as well as leg muscle lines, but I still have the front belly fat and love handles. I was hoping the extreme calorie deficit would finally get rid of that belly fat and my love handles, and the test would help me maintain the muscle I have.

Keep in mind also that I prefer to be more athletic around my natural bodyweights than to be a mass monster above 200lbs. I started my cardio the other day and I actually feel like I'm already noticing a difference.

The same holds true bro in that one cycle, especially with clen and t3, isn't all of a sudden going to make you huge either. Just be consistent, tweak the diet as needed and throw in more cardio.

 

[Varga]

bad im 220 pounds with 11% bf and cutting on 3300 calories lol

fuk 1500, id starve like starvin marvin

seriously man up your calories ot atleast 2400, and raise ur protein intake to help you acheiev this level

a would say 2400 is a good start

 

[Varga]

I guess I do have the wrong mindset then. I mean I'm already muscular for my size. 15% bodyfat was too high of an estimate, at 190 lbs my back has almost zero fat and you can see my top two abs as well as leg muscle lines, but I still have the front belly fat and love handles. I was hoping the extreme calorie deficit would finally get rid of that belly fat and my love handles, and the test would help me maintain the muscle I have.

Keep in mind also that I prefer to be more athletic around my natural bodyweights than to be a mass monster above 200lbs. I started my cardio the other day and I actually feel like I'm already noticing a difference.

I agree, you do have the wrong mindset and im not saying this in a bad way. Body Weight is irrelevant unless you compete in something that requires you to be at a particular weight. Looks tells the story a lot better. Reason Im saying this is that I use to think just like you ...cutting meant restricting calories which I think is a big mistake.

When I cut what it means to me is this ...first:
1. add compounds that do not bloat me (primo/tren/prop/masteron..etc)
2. Eat clean calories but not drop below 3000/day in my case with plenty of protein around 250-300g a day, good fats and carbs
AND cut carbs at night for my last meal
3.Add cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach 3-4x a week other than that to me everything else is a regular cycle in the gym. I lift heavy, push hard and even on "cutting " cycles I manage to put on few lbs of muscle but I concentrate on burning as much fat as possible.

If you body wants to grow let it grow man, concentrate on fat loss or if you think you too big then cut the test to 250mg/week
I dont think is a big deal if you gain 5 lbs a muscle and drop 10lbs a fat lets say..itz all good!

 

[needtogetaas]

Been about three weeks now, how come I am not shredded!!!

Honestly though, how long will it take for me to get cut, I'm 190 right now about 15% BF. I'm eating around 1500 calories a day atm, sometimes a bit less or a bit more but for the most part very steady. I feel like I've lost weight but it sure as hell doesn't seem like I'm on a bunch of drugs to do it. It doesn't feel like much more than the reduced calorie diet.

diets all fucked up and you fell victim to low cals,lots of sets,low cals,and tons of drugs will get you skinny. HA HA HA sorry but it don't work like that.

Want to learn the right way?

Powerhouse Progress Principles training.

 

[skinsfan]

diets all fucked up and you fell victim to low cals,lots of sets,low cals,and tons of drugs will get you skinny. HA HA HA sorry but it don't work like that.

Want to learn the right way?

Powerhouse Progress Principles training.

Didn't even see you posted in here needto. Always good to see you in one of my threads.

Update for everyone, since I'm sure most like to hear where their advice has gone. I have upped my calories with mostly protein and some fats, I've since started doing something similar to a carb cycle that works for my body, and I'm doing cardio 4 or more days a week now (deadlifts seem to prevent me from doing cardio for at least that day, sometimes two days in a row).

I've tapered my t3 down to 25mcg/day and will be off entirely shortly. I have also begun supplementing with a CLA/guarana/green tea extract concoction, and also taking in an additional 5g of fish derived omega oils.

I noticed significant results in less than a week, only problem is I'm not sure if it's the added supplements, the lowering of the T3 dosage, the additional calories, or the cardio. Either way I am looking better daily, whereas I seemed to be stalling when I started this thread.

 

[Varga]

Didn't even see you posted in here needto. Always good to see you in one of my threads.

Update for everyone, since I'm sure most like to hear where their advice has gone. I have upped my calories with mostly protein and some fats, I've since started doing something similar to a carb cycle that works for my body, and I'm doing cardio 4 or more days a week now (deadlifts seem to prevent me from doing cardio for at least that day, sometimes two days in a row).

I've tapered my t3 down to 25mcg/day and will be off entirely shortly. I have also begun supplementing with a CLA/guarana/green tea extract concoction, and also taking in an additional 5g of fish derived omega oils.

I noticed significant results in less than a week, only problem is I'm not sure if it's the added supplements, the lowering of the T3 dosage, the additional calories, or the cardio. Either way I am looking better daily, whereas I seemed to be stalling when I started this thread.

Im willin to bet is mostly the increase calories! Glad you on the right track dude