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Planning a new cycle with BEAST/KATANA kickstart!

ConanX

ConanX

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Just wanted to let you guys know that I will be starting a new cycle soon and since I will be kickstarting it with 4 weeks of Needto's products, I would shar emy experience with you guys.

Cycle will be...

Week 1-10: Test E 300mg e/w
Week 1-10: Primobolan 300mg e/w
Week 1-4: Beastdrol 3 caps e/d
Week 1-4: Katanadrol 3 caps e/d
Week 6-12: Anavar 50mg e/d

Since it takes about 3 or 4 weeks for the Test and Primo to kick in anyway, I figured I could give you guys a review of the Beast/Katana stack :supercool

Will be starting within a few days.

Will use HCG and have Clomid, Nova, and hopefully Adex and Bromo (if Rxhealth comes through) on hand.
 
I was all depressed because I had no sources so I was just going to run a ton of Needto's stuff lol. Now I can have it all! Haha

I'm hoping to put on some nice, quality muscle mass the first couple of weeks. And then when I get off the mass builder (beastdrol) and start with the anavar, it should give me some great quality, vascularity, and definition. Plus it takes 3+ weeks for primo and test to kick in so when I start to come to an end with the beast and katana, the injectible goodies will start working their magic. Very exciting...just hope I don't gain TOO much and make it obvious haha.

I also have access to trenbolone acetate but I am trying my best to stay away from that crap lol.
 
Haha Needto, well they already have their suspicions anyway. This will probably just put the nails in the coffin. If worse comes to worse, I can always say "Yes I use steroids. LEGAL steroids!" haha.

I took my first dose pre-workout yesterday. Just 2 caps Beast to get it in my system. Got an excellent pump and noticed some extra heat. Hmmmm. Great workout though. Could be placebo but I don't know, I just know my workout was very nice.

Took 1 cap Beast and 2 caps Katana today. Feelin' nice ;-)

I'll keep you guys updated.
 
Startin day 3. Feeling good. Yesteday I noticed that I would start sweating for no reason. I also looked a BIT more vascular than normal.

There are definitely some mental sides. I was very aggressive last night when my brother pussied out on the gym. I was yelling at him to go to the gym and I almost punched the wall but thought about it and figured I was being retarded since he really just didn't feel well...hmmmm this will be an interesting cycle haha!

I also noticed that during my workout, my pump was very strong. My head was also pulsing. This shit is strong bros so I'd suggest to stay away from stimulants like ECA and Clen while on the Beast.
 
needtogetaas said:
good luck on trying to hide your gains bro. 2-3 weeks in and everyone going to be asking questions.
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Hahaha, yep.

I'm up 7 pounds in 9 days in diesel/katana and my dad was like "Are you using those Designer steroids again? You look like you put on a bunch of weight over night" "Yeah, I am." "Damnit, Mark, it's not like you aren't already big enough!"

There's no hiding it after 2 weeks, people will know you are on the good stuff if they have a clue.
 
I don't really have goals other than just put on quality muscle without gaining any fat.

So last night I did a grueling Chest and Back workout. Pumps were incredible and my vascularity was reminiscent of my EQ days....hmmmmm :evil:

I also noticed that my desire and drive was double what it was before. I just wanted to keep going (even though I was kind of embarassed by the IFBB pro working out across from me)

Today is day 4 and I feel incredible. I look a little bit fuller and I am more vascular than before. I have that confident feeling that you get from steroids. All is going well. I need to weigh myself to see if there are any gains. Wouldn't be suprised already if I'm up a lb or so. I definitely look bigger and last night my friend was telling me how I look huge.

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Up 7 lbs on the 7th day.

My vascularity has gone past the level of my last cycle (eq, var, winny). I got out of the shower and looked in the mirror and saw some new freaky veins on my forearms. I have a bigger but leaner look at the same time. I haven't gotten much thicker yet, but my shoulders have capped more, arms have expanded, legs are a little bigger. Pumps are great. I have energy all throughout the day. No negative side affects at all. I was in a casino/resort this weekend and the diet wasn't 100% spot on so some of that weight gain can be attributed to water weight/fat, although not the majority of it by any means.

I hear that after the 1st week is when the gains start to come, so I am pretty excited. I already saw great gains and its like I was right back at the peak of my last cycle within a few days of being on this new one.
 
Another observation is that my hunger has gone way up. After about an hour and 45 mins from eating, I start to get really hungry. I try to eat every 3 hours but it's been more like 2.5 because I just can't take the hunger...pretty cool
 
I ate at 2:30. It's not 3:38 and I am starving again! WTF!

It makes me just want to bulk and say F it! lol
 
sorry for being a post whore, just wanted to let you guys know that I experienced a severe calf pump walking up a hill. Haven't felt that kind of pump since I was WELL into my Test/EQ/Winny cycle! Holy crap and today is leg day. Can't wait for the gym!
 
Up about half a lb again.

Looking better and better. Feeling good. Weather is very hot though and I am sweating like a maniac. Right now I have AC on full blast and I can't stop sweating. Katanadrol? It's pretty cool though. And yeah, looks like I'm just gonna do a lean bulk and forget about cutting. I'll see how I go. I just love eating right now haha!
 
FUCK me, this makes me hrad thinking of getting my hands on this shit! Awesome info man, I wil definately be ordering this gear once pay day comes! Keep up the whore posting, I love it :p
 
websy21 said:
FUCK me, this makes me hrad thinking of getting my hands on this shit! Awesome info man, I wil definately be ordering this gear once pay day comes! Keep up the whore posting, I love it :p
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Hah! Glad you enjoy it dude. Today is supposed to be my day off...but I feel like my chest and back are good to go again. Damn it! Want to lift! :evil:

I can't wait to see what the upcoming next couple of weeks bring. It makes me wonder why I never did an oral kickstart before...well, probably because only Dbol and Anadrol were around and bloat is the last thing I want. Beastdrol is pretty kick ass. I wonder how much of the gains are from the Beastdrol and what is from the Katanadrol. Seems like a sick combo so far though. I'm also pretty pumped for the Test and Primo to fully kick in. Never tried primo before so I am excited. I already just feel overall GOOD so maybe its from the injectibles? Maybe its mental from just being a bigger, stronger man already? Screw the science, all I know is that IT WORKS! haha
 
ConanX said:
Hah! Glad you enjoy it dude. Today is supposed to be my day off...but I feel like my chest and back are good to go again. Damn it! Want to lift! :evil:

I can't wait to see what the upcoming next couple of weeks bring. It makes me wonder why I never did an oral kickstart before...well, probably because only Dbol and Anadrol were around and bloat is the last thing I want. Beastdrol is pretty kick ass. I wonder how much of the gains are from the Beastdrol and what is from the Katanadrol. Seems like a sick combo so far though. I'm also pretty pumped for the Test and Primo to fully kick in. Never tried primo before so I am excited. I already just feel overall GOOD so maybe its from the injectibles? Maybe its mental from just being a bigger, stronger man already? Screw the science, all I know is that IT WORKS! haha
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Never done injecties before so I can't comment for sure but I'd give a huge testiment to your gains from the orals. I'm gonna do my vigin run of Test E/Primo in the next few weeks. I'm so tempted to kickstart it with this shit but I know for my newb run it wouldn't be wise. Next year I will for show :p I actually got 4 weeks of 10mg/day of M1T left and its taunting me to rip that shit up the first 4 weeks but I'm thinking thats even more stupid of an idea LOL
 
websy21 said:
Never done injecties before so I can't comment for sure but I'd give a huge testiment to your gains from the orals. I'm gonna do my vigin run of Test E/Primo in the next few weeks. I'm so tempted to kickstart it with this shit but I know for my newb run it wouldn't be wise. Next year I will for show :p I actually got 4 weeks of 10mg/day of M1T left and its taunting me to rip that shit up the first 4 weeks but I'm thinking thats even more stupid of an idea LOL
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Just do a basic Testosterone Enanthanate for your first cycle. Primo won't hurt at all so that should be great.

My first injectible cycle was Test E 250mg and Deca 200mg for 9 weeks. I kept about 25lbs of muscle from that cycle and got much stronger.

This is my 3rd injectible cycle and it's pretty cool kickstarting it and not having to wait 3 weeks to grow, but yeah man, stick with the basics. You always COULD throw in beastdrol since you won't get gyno or anything from it, ya know?
 
What's your diet like? How many calories are you taking in?
I'm going to start a Deiselbolan/Katanadrol stack in about two weeks but I can only manage to get in 1900 calories per day (today I did 2100), it's just so hard to get in quality calories.

Sure I could have three or four tables spoons of Nutella (1 table spoon is 80 calories) but I don't think Nutella puts on mass.
 
My diet goes like this.

6:00 AM: 1/2 cup quaker instant oats, 2 scoops whey chocolate protein powder with water
8:45 AM: 1/2 cup quaker instant oats, 1 scoop whey chocolate protein powder with water, omellete of 6 egg whites and 1 yolk
12:00 PM: 2 grilled chicken breasts, 1 sweet potato
3:00 PM: 2 grilled chicken breasts, 1 sweet potato
6:00 PM: 1-2 large grilled chicken breasts OR large piece of Salmon, 1 sweet potato OR 1 serving brown rice, steamed brocolli/veggies (NOTE: sometimes this meal can vary. Like tonight, I will be taking my girl out to dinner at a steak house. I'll have the leanest steak on the menu and pray there is a complex carb. But I wouldn't stray from this meal except for the fact that I'm stuck with her haha)
8:30/9:00 PM: Post-workout meal. Shake made in blender consisting of 2 scoops chocolate whey protein, 1/2 cup quaker instant oats, 1 banana, skim milk
11:00 PM: Shake consisting of 2 scoop whey/casein protein. I try to make this one in water as well but I hate shakes made with water.

That's my diet. It's a bit more calories than what I used when I got cut over the spring. But I'm not really looking to lose much bodyfat. I want quality muscle while staying lean.

And some good news is that I weighed myself today and the scale was up 1 full pound :evil:
 
Needto, maybe you should move this to the Bodybuilding Journal forum? I continue to log my progress all throughout the whole cycle and I will only be using Beast/Katana for the first 4 weeks. I also now have access to some good Tren Ace and I am tempted as hell at trying this stuff out, so it may be better to move this thread to there...or I can start a new thread.

Thanks
 
ConanX said:
My diet goes like this.

6:00 AM: 1/2 cup quaker instant oats, 2 scoops whey chocolate protein powder with water
8:45 AM: 1/2 cup quaker instant oats, 1 scoop whey chocolate protein powder with water, omellete of 6 egg whites and 1 yolk
12:00 PM: 2 grilled chicken breasts, 1 sweet potato
3:00 PM: 2 grilled chicken breasts, 1 sweet potato
6:00 PM: 1-2 large grilled chicken breasts OR large piece of Salmon, 1 sweet potato OR 1 serving brown rice, steamed brocolli/veggies (NOTE: sometimes this meal can vary. Like tonight, I will be taking my girl out to dinner at a steak house. I'll have the leanest steak on the menu and pray there is a complex carb. But I wouldn't stray from this meal except for the fact that I'm stuck with her haha)
8:30/9:00 PM: Post-workout meal. Shake made in blender consisting of 2 scoops chocolate whey protein, 1/2 cup quaker instant oats, 1 banana, skim milk
11:00 PM: Shake consisting of 2 scoop whey/casein protein. I try to make this one in water as well but I hate shakes made with water.

That's my diet. It's a bit more calories than what I used when I got cut over the spring. But I'm not really looking to lose much bodyfat. I want quality muscle while staying lean.

And some good news is that I weighed myself today and the scale was up 1 full pound :evil:
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I will be following a very similar diet when I do my beast/katana in about 5 more weeks. Did Diesel/Tren and went from 210 to 232, now I'd like to cut probably to 205 but maintain as much lean mass as I can. At 205 I'm guessing I'd be around 5-7% bodyfat.

Looks really good bro
 
Captain FT said:
I will be following a very similar diet when I do my beast/katana in about 5 more weeks. Did Diesel/Tren and went from 210 to 232, now I'd like to cut probably to 205 but maintain as much lean mass as I can. At 205 I'm guessing I'd be around 5-7% bodyfat.

Looks really good bro
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Thanks man. Over the spring time I was around 198lbs at under 8% bodyfat. Now I am at like 200lbs at 10% bodyfat. I realized that during PCT I shouldn't have been running so much ECA. I think that made me lose some muscle mass. I also did a bad PCT and yeah, I was pretty upset. But I seem to be growing back to my old size quickly so hopefully by the end of the cycle, I can be a bodyfat % or 2 lower and heavier than I was on my last cycle. And if my bodyfat stays the same, I have no problem with that really. I haven't even gone to the beach once this whole summer! So all that hard work and muscle mass sacrifice for what? As long as I am around 10% bodyfat, my arms look shredded, striated, and vascular and that is really all that matters. I still have abs and it's enough for the ladies at this point. I am getting clenbuterol soon and I may be tempted to just drop some quick fat. We'll see how I progress these next few weeks. And I have access to Trenbolone now and some insulin pins so....man all these options are killing me! :confused:...:)...:evil:...:chomp:
 
Again, Needto if you want to move this to the log section go ahead man.

So today I woke up at 1/2 lb lighter. Looking at the scale I was kind of like "what the hell!?" then I looked in the mirror and noticed my abs were completely different! They were popping out and on my side profile, my mid section had the ripples of abdominal muscles. The "6-pack" is much more defined and pronounced this morning than yesterday. Within 1 day I somehow look much more ripped, almost like I lost a bodyfat %. I attribute this to maybe some water weight reduction thanks to the Beastdrol. My legs look more defined too. My upper body is filling in nicely. Shoulders, back, and chest are tight in my shirt and my arms have grown and look pumped all day long.

I feel very good still. I have energy all day long, but when it starts to get around 10pm, I want to just pass right out. Everything is going perfect.
 
One observation is that last night my nipples looked overly big. They are not itchy and I don't notice any lumps, they just looked big. This morning, they were small and normal looking.
 
After reading this I am soooooooooo friggen pumped to do the shredder stack! You stated in a earlier post to not run clen with beast? I'm planning on doing a T3/Clen cycle with the shredder stack but am thinking maybe not. What's your take?
 
RickO'Shea said:
After reading this I am soooooooooo friggen pumped to do the shredder stack! You stated in a earlier post to not run clen with beast? I'm planning on doing a T3/Clen cycle with the shredder stack but am thinking maybe not. What's your take?
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The reason I say to be careful with Clen along with Beastdrol is because of blood pressure. When you workout hard on beastdrol, your heart will be pounding. The pumps are very intense and the extra blood pressure is definitely felt. Clenuterol also raises blood pressure so combining these two compounds may be too much. I am personally going to wait until I get off of the shredder stack before I run clen. Once I am off and just on the injectibles, I'll throw clen in to drop some BF. For now, I don't want to risk a heart attack though. Everybody is different and your tolerance may be better.
 
Thankx Conan the Destroyer of weighted machines, I appreciate the info I will too save the clen for after the shredder stack. Seriously thanks for the heads up man!
 
RickO'Shea said:
Thankx Conan the Destroyer of weighted machines, I appreciate the info I will too save the clen for after the shredder stack. Seriously thanks for the heads up man!
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No problem brother. I was going to use it but after seeing the kind of pump and BP increase I was getting off Beastdrol, I figured it was suicide throwing in some clenbuterol. I also got this when I was running Equipose and Ephedrine at 125mg e/d. My head started pounding and I knew it was time to get off the ECA before I had problems.
 
Yesterday I did a chest/back split and man was it rough. But it was funny because I'd be pushing heavier weights and doing more volume and my chest still would not feel sore. I had to do some forced reps in and then end it with pushups to make sure I was getting a good enough workout.

Well here is some very good and interesting news. I know I said yesteray I dropped half a lb when I weighed myself in the morning. I was 200lbs 3 days ago and then yesterday I was 199.5 but I looked much leaner. Today I weigh myself and I see 201.5lbs on the scale. Very nice! I look as lean and dry as ever. I also noticed some freaky ass veins on my chest and shoulders when I was pumped yesterday. My arms were covered in pipelines. My face even looks a bit more chiseled too.

Beastdrol is a great steroid. I am VERY impressed so far and if the gains stopped now, I'd say it is more than worth it. But from what I've heard, the 2nd and 3rd week the gains keep coming in strong....

Also, I dropped Katanadrol today. The reason for this is that I plan on using Trenbolone Acetate (Finaplix) within a very short time period and I dont' want to mix the TrenTFO substance with real Trenbolone. I think this was a wise decision, though I loved the extra sweating I'd get from the Katanadrol. I have another full bottle of it, so I can definitely use it again for another cycle and maybe run 6 weeks of it lol.
 
I'm 202.5lbs this morn. At night I'm around 208 or so at night. Veins, quality gains, strength, definition, everything is better. I also think the injectibles are starting to kick in since my libido is up and my mood is insanely good now.
 
Sick! Good to hear Man, I'm going to be running my own Beast/K-drol stack here next week. So Fricken stoked!!! I will be writing my own detailed log, with some before and after pics and workout journals. It will definately help me personally too. How do you record all your progress? Also I don't get sore either, am I just not working out hard enough?...I think I push myself pretty hard...but maybe I aint... Help if you can ConanX we seem to have similar goals and physiques.
 
ConanX said:
Chill bro, I'm not that big lol.

I took the ab shots to show that I still have retained a decent bodyfat % while putting on OVER 10lbs. I seem to keep growing by the day. I am LOVING it.
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I'm chill I'm chill, just you really are a pretty damn big 205. I'm 205 myself but as far as size you definately have me beat. I'm 6'2 so maybe I got some heighth on you so that's why. Either way good job man lookin good. I'm starting my log this week so I could and would love to hear your advices
 
So im new to the forum and in trying to figure is this beastdrol and Katana legal and are there any side effects like steriods such as acne?
 
C6rider said:
So im new to the forum and in trying to figure is this beastdrol and Katana legal and are there any side effects like steriods such as acne?
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So far, no sides.

I am also taking injectible steroids and no sides have occured yet. I usually get acne from Testosterone though but so far, nothing.
 
Weighed myself this morning at 206lbs

I'm probably around 210 by afternoon time.

I looked crazy in the gym. Veins everywhere, striations too. I almost look TOO big in this short period of time. I can't believe the difference in how I look. I think it is looking really obvious that I'm on something because I was getting stared at by everybody.

My overall feeling is great.

Pic this morning. Just hopped out of bed so no pump whatsoever. In the gym, I look completely different with veins across my chest and I look MUCH larger

http://img8.imageshack.us/i/ef1o.jpg/
 
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This has to be the biggest I have ever looked. Yesterday a lot of my friends were saying that my shoulders and width were ridiculous. They couldn't get over how big I got. Also, the striations in my shoulders and my daily vascularity is just looking great. The injectibles must be working their magic now and I know that Beastdrol gave me a huge advantage. I'm still on the beast and have a few more days left of it before I depart from my new love...but that's ok, I got some goodies around the corner...Clenbuterol, Trenbolone Acetate, and Anavar BITCHES. I'm not going to use Winny because of hair loss.
 
Congrats on all the improvements man! I am on day two of the Shredder Stack and I had some random people today Ask If worked at the Gym at our school..I replied "No, Why?" "Cause your Fuckin Ripped" good response made me train my balls off today! Keep it up Conan let us know how it goes...and yeah you're a wide SOB!
 
Did back yesterday. The pumps I got in my back were intense. Even today I still feel it. My arms also got pumped and I wasn't able to bend my arms without it hurting.

I now notice none of my shirts fit anymore and it's even hard for me to buckle a seat belt because of my chest and arms.

Still no negative sides like I have seen on these forums. It is a strong steroid but no negatives so far!
 
Awesome. Makes me glad I bought some of Needto's stuff before it goes...can't wait to start my own Needto-only cycle. :)

Great thread so far though, lookin awesome bro!
 
ConanX said:
I got some goodies around the corner...Clenbuterol, Trenbolone Acetate, and Anavar BITCHES.
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That sounds like a delicious cocktail. I'm not ready for tren yet but I plan to do Beast/katana with some Test E and EQ, Beast to start the first 4 weeks, Katana to end the last 4 weeks of a 12 weeker, can't wait.
 
Captain FT said:
That sounds like a delicious cocktail. I'm not ready for tren yet but I plan to do Beast/katana with some Test E and EQ, Beast to start the first 4 weeks, Katana to end the last 4 weeks of a 12 weeker, can't wait.
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That sounds like an excellent combo right there man! My previous cycle was Test E and EQ. I didn't use a kickstart but if I knew what I now know, Beastdrol would have been run through weeks 1-4.

I'm not sure if I'm ready for Tren yet either lol. I'm just praying the side affects aren't so bad. My friend made some Finaplix (he does a top notch job) and it was right in front of me and he offered it to me for a good price. Just too hard to resist! I pinned myself with a cc yesterday. Mmmm :p
 
I feel really badass today. I don't know why, but all the injectibles seem to be feeling stronger. Plus I am on the final days of beastdrol so I just feel huge and strong.
No bloat, just size. Everybody is noticing. My girlfriend's mom was staring at my arms yesterday and I could just see her looking at my veins and striations. (uh oh...she gave me a speech a few months ago making sure I wasn't using steroids lol).
Today I went to the deli to get my dad some food. The guy in there goes "dude everytime I see you, you get MUCH bigger. Holy crap, look at your veins. what are you doing?" People were looking at me like I was a freak lol. I am used to hearing that though so I used my default response "haha yeah I spend 3 hours every night in the gym and eat protein all day long" but man, people are really noticing now. lol...

But yes, I feel insane right now. Calm and cool, but just....I don't know, superhuman! hahaha love it! Can't wait to hit arms today and get a pump that'll make my biceps split open.
 
ConanX said:
I feel really badass today. I don't know why, but all the injectibles seem to be feeling stronger. Plus I am on the final days of beastdrol so I just feel huge and strong.
No bloat, just size. Everybody is noticing. My girlfriend's mom was staring at my arms yesterday and I could just see her looking at my veins and striations. (uh oh...she gave me a speech a few months ago making sure I wasn't using steroids lol).
Today I went to the deli to get my dad some food. The guy in there goes "dude everytime I see you, you get MUCH bigger. Holy crap, look at your veins. what are you doing?" People were looking at me like I was a freak lol. I am used to hearing that though so I used my default response "haha yeah I spend 3 hours every night in the gym and eat protein all day long" but man, people are really noticing now. lol...

But yes, I feel insane right now. Calm and cool, but just....I don't know, superhuman! hahaha love it! Can't wait to hit arms today and get a pump that'll make my biceps split open.
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I love it, I am gonna be starting my virgin run of test/primo in two weeks..... I love this post, can't fucking wait!
 
ConanX said:
I feel really badass today. I don't know why, but all the injectibles seem to be feeling stronger. Plus I am on the final days of beastdrol so I just feel huge and strong.
No bloat, just size. Everybody is noticing. My girlfriend's mom was staring at my arms yesterday and I could just see her looking at my veins and striations. (uh oh...she gave me a speech a few months ago making sure I wasn't using steroids lol).
Today I went to the deli to get my dad some food. The guy in there goes "dude everytime I see you, you get MUCH bigger. Holy crap, look at your veins. what are you doing?" People were looking at me like I was a freak lol. I am used to hearing that though so I used my default response "haha yeah I spend 3 hours every night in the gym and eat protein all day long" but man, people are really noticing now. lol...

But yes, I feel insane right now. Calm and cool, but just....I don't know, superhuman! hahaha love it! Can't wait to hit arms today and get a pump that'll make my biceps split open.
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Awesome bro... I'm starting think I should move behond just OTC orals, all the good OTC shit is going away anyway
 
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Last night I had the most insane pumps in my life. My whole upper body was just pumped to the point of pain. I could not bend my arms because my bi's were so full. My strength was also up as I was able to do 15 reps on the heaviest weight in the gym on the tricep machine whereas I have been struggling to do 10 reps. I did the 15 reps easy and just stopped because I don't want to overload my joints.

My weight is up to 207 but I am much leaner looking. My abs are more defined and my vascularity is freaky. My chest is also more striated. I feel amazing.
 
Did legs and after squats, my lower back was in severe pain. Typical lower back pump.

This morning, I looked at my arms and being totally cold with no pump at all, I am seeing veins that are brand new. I have some new squiggly veins and the main veins are raised up and look much thicker. Also, my shoulders veins are more prominent and some of those thick veins I used to have on my lower abs at the end of my old test/eq/winny/var cycle have no returned. I have more striations and more detail and quality to my muscles. Probably the primo as this is the look I hear of when I was researching primo. Maybe the tren ace is working it's magic already too...

Libido is just TOO much now. I can't walk around in public without popping a woody at the thought of a girl. It's hard to function in society! LOL

My mental state is strange...I feel so superior lately. Sometimes I am very calm, sometimes I am very kind, sometimes I am a bit cold. I like it so far though. I feel very good in a general sense.
 
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ConanX said:
Startin day 3. Feeling good. Yesteday I noticed that I would start sweating for no reason. I also looked a BIT more vascular than normal.

There are definitely some mental sides. I was very aggressive last night when my brother pussied out on the gym. I was yelling at him to go to the gym and I almost punched the wall but thought about it and figured I was being retarded since he really just didn't feel well...hmmmm this will be an interesting cycle haha!

I also noticed that during my workout, my pump was very strong. My head was also pulsing. This shit is strong bros so I'd suggest to stay away from stimulants like ECA and Clen while on the Beast.
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How could I lose some fat while taking this? I've taken Prohormones with ECA. But I was looking for something I could run with Clen and still gain lean muscle and lose fat. Any info would be great!!
 
outlawimmrtl5 said:
How could I lose some fat while taking this? I've taken Prohormones with ECA. But I was looking for something I could run with Clen and still gain lean muscle and lose fat. Any info would be great!!
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After about 5 days, the headaches and the insane heart feeling started to subside. Could ECA be used? Sure it can. Just be careful and gauge yourself. Start with a low dose of ECA and take it easy (same with clen).

Also, Beastdrol should help lean you out if you are dieting to cut.
 
ConanX said:
After about 5 days, the headaches and the insane heart feeling started to subside. Could ECA be used? Sure it can. Just be careful and gauge yourself. Start with a low dose of ECA and take it easy (same with clen).

Also, Beastdrol should help lean you out if you are dieting to cut.
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I think Clen or ECA would be too much on the blood pressure. I'm debating maybe running just some T3 alone with Beast/Katana. I want to run beast/katana once by itself before I go for the Beast/Test E/EQ/Katana run. I would like to see how my body responds to them without the EQ and Test first. T3 should be a safe bet as it wouldn't increase blood pressure at all. I read in the February, 1999 (online) issue of the New England Journal of Medicine blood pressure and cholesterol dropped in patients taking T4 and T3, so looks like win/win taking that with products that are known to increase both of those.
 
Well Cap, it's been nothin but good things to me thus far. I do notice slight head aches but nothin remotely bad, more or less a minor annoyance. I'm not loosing fat like I thought I would...let me rephrase I'm inpatient and I've only been on it a week and have got'n much harder and much more vascular, BUT WANT MORE MORE MORE!!! So trying some ECA soon. I've been using Jack3d while on it and have had no problems...but I have really low blood pressure anyways.
 
RickO'Shea said:
Well Cap, it's been nothin but good things to me thus far. I do notice slight head aches but nothin remotely bad, more or less a minor annoyance. I'm not loosing fat like I thought I would...let me rephrase I'm inpatient and I've only been on it a week and have got'n much harder and much more vascular, BUT WANT MORE MORE MORE!!! So trying some ECA soon. I've been using Jack3d while on it and have had no problems...but I have really low blood pressure anyways.
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Ya but you don't have much body fat anyways, so its tougher the lower your BF% is to loose more BF
 
Captain FT said:
Ya but you don't have much body fat anyways, so its tougher the lower your BF% is to loose more BF
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Yes it is:mad:

I'm super clean on the diet and just need to give it some time. Either way the shredder stack is FKN awesome man. I now wake up in the morning Vascular, Pumped as hell, and Feelin great and hungry and it's been one week today since I started! I think I'm going to use it as a kick start to like a six or eight week prop cycle as ConanX did...just without all the other stuff. I've never pinned myself so we'll see.

Hey Conan so after all the revisements you've made is there anyway you could repost what your cycle looked/looks like? :D
 
RickO'Shea said:
Hey Conan so after all the revisements you've made is there anyway you could repost what your cycle looked/looks like? :D
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This is how my cycle is looking.

Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthanate 300mg E/W
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan 300mg E/W
Weeks 1-4: Beastdrol 3 caps E/D
Week 1: Katanadrol 3 caps E/D (dropped it because got access to trenbolone)
Weeks 4-9: Trenbolone Acetate 100mg E/O/D (I only have enough for 5 weeks)
Weeks 6-11: Anavar __mg E/D (not sure how much, I will see how I look by week 6)
Weeks 5-7: Clenbuterol pyramiding up to my tolerance, 2 week break
Weeks 7-9: ECA 4 doses ED
Weeks 9-11: Clenbuterol pyramiding up to my tolerance

PCT: If I can get the HCG within the next few days, I will start it at a low dose twice a week till the end of my cycle. If the HCG doesn't come soon enough, I will save it for the end. I have Clomid and Nolvadex, but do not want to use the Nolvadex because I hear that will cause gyno from the Tren. Will also be using Forged PCT and Primordial Performance Sustain Alpha.
 
RickO'Shea said:
Yes it is:mad:

I'm super clean on the diet and just need to give it some time. Either way the shredder stack is FKN awesome man. I now wake up in the morning Vascular, Pumped as hell, and Feelin great and hungry and it's been one week today since I started! I think I'm going to use it as a kick start to like a six or eight week prop cycle as ConanX did...just without all the other stuff. I've never pinned myself so we'll see.
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For your next cycle, I would just do something simple that you don't need to pin yourself with every day. Testosterone Enanthanate worked perfect for me. I did a cycle of Test E and Deca at low doses (250mg Test 200mg Deca) and I gained over 25lbs without too much fat or water gain. With beastdrol to kick it off, that would be devistating.

Even just simple Test Enanthanate will make a huge difference bro. You don't ned to go with crazy doses either. I only pinned it once a week, so it's not so bad.

With the pinning every day that I do now because of the Tren Ace, I am using an insulin needle which isn't too bad!
 
I am almost into week 5. No negative sides to complain about. Just look and feel rock solid. Super vascular, lean looking, ripped, striated. Just perfect. I woke up 2lbs lighter than yesterday...does Tren really burn fat that fast? I looked much leaner. Hmmmm
 
ConanX said:
For your next cycle, I would just do something simple that you don't need to pin yourself with every day. Testosterone Enanthanate worked perfect for me. I did a cycle of Test E and Deca at low doses (250mg Test 200mg Deca) and I gained over 25lbs without too much fat or water gain. With beastdrol to kick it off, that would be devistating.

Even just simple Test Enanthanate will make a huge difference bro. You don't ned to go with crazy doses either. I only pinned it once a week, so it's not so bad.

With the pinning every day that I do now because of the Tren Ace, I am using an insulin needle which isn't too bad!
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Thanks for all your help Conan. Your cycle is lookin mighty beasty! I'm glad to hear it's really comin together for ya.

I have a question about needles and one about pct
What gauge do you recommend?
What would I use If I'm pretty prone to gyno?
 
Captain FT said:
Exactly bro, which is why I chose Test E and EQ.
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My last cycle was Test 250mg and Eq 400mg e/w, plus I added some winny and anavar (you can chose 1 or the other or a needto product if you like). Excellent stack. 1 needle will do the job once a week . Can't ask for better than that. Oh, and you WILL look like a freak lol.

I weighed in at 210lbs today, WTF!? I did have some extra carbs last night since my chica made me home-made oatmeal lol. Ah well fuck it, I got more veins in my abs so I ain't complaining!
 
ConanX said:
My last cycle was Test 250mg and Eq 400mg e/w, plus I added some winny and anavar (you can chose 1 or the other or a needto product if you like). Excellent stack. 1 needle will do the job once a week . Can't ask for better than that. Oh, and you WILL look like a freak lol.

I weighed in at 210lbs today, WTF!? I did have some extra carbs last night since my chica made me home-made oatmeal lol. Ah well fuck it, I got more veins in my abs so I ain't complaining!
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whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa......whoa........whoa..................whoa......

I only pin once a week!?
With only one needle!?!?!?!

Lets get this shit sharted?

Someone confirm this nonsense!:evil::evil:
 
RickO'Shea said:
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa......whoa........whoa..................whoa......

I only pin once a week!?
With only one needle!?!?!?!

Lets get this shit sharted?

Someone confirm this nonsense!:evil::evil:
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LMAO!

Testosterone Enanthanate (not prop) can be injected once a week. The best is twice a week, but I've been doing once a week and see all the gains with no problems. Doctors also recommend shooting weekly so it's not so bad.

Most Test E's range from 200-300mg/ml. 1ml = 1cc in a syringe. The most popular syringes I've seen are the 3cc syringes. So you fill up 1cc of Testosterone Enanthanate (lets say it's 250mg/ml) and 2cc's of Eq (most eq is 200mg/ml). With a full pin, you should have 250mg Test E, 400mg Eq in 1 pin. Shoot that once a week for your 12-16 weeks and it's a solid ass cycle! That's what I did and it worked great for me (I have a cycle log on these forums somewhere that you can search for).
 
ConanX said:
LMAO!

Testosterone Enanthanate (not prop) can be injected once a week. The best is twice a week, but I've been doing once a week and see all the gains with no problems. Doctors also recommend shooting weekly so it's not so bad.

Most Test E's range from 200-300mg/ml. 1ml = 1cc in a syringe. The most popular syringes I've seen are the 3cc syringes. So you fill up 1cc of Testosterone Enanthanate (lets say it's 250mg/ml) and 2cc's of Eq (most eq is 200mg/ml). With a full pin, you should have 250mg Test E, 400mg Eq in 1 pin. Shoot that once a week for your 12-16 weeks and it's a solid ass cycle! That's what I did and it worked great for me (I have a cycle log on these forums somewhere that you can search for).
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Man you are just clearin all sorts of confusion for me!!! thanks Conan. Ok so I know where I can get the needles and the gear Just two more pretty damn important questions for ya.

#1 What guage and what length of needle?

#2 What is the best PCT for fighting GYNO...cause I'm prone?
 
RickO'Shea said:
Man you are just clearin all sorts of confusion for me!!! thanks Conan. Ok so I know where I can get the needles and the gear Just two more pretty damn important questions for ya.

#1 What guage and what length of needle?

#2 What is the best PCT for fighting GYNO...cause I'm prone?
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I'm not an expert in these 2 fields. I just get the needles given to me by my trainer. I believe the ones for glute shots are 23 gauge. To draw out of the vial, it's the bigger ones which I believe are 18 gauge. For the quad shots and delt shots for every day pinning for the Trenbolone, I think it's a 27 gauge insulin pin (you will be doing glute shots). PCT...Nolvadex, Arimidex, etc...PM Needto or Radar. They will really help you out with setting up a cycle.
 
BTW, today I noticed that my shape is just different. I was in the bathroom and looked at myself in the mirror and I can't believe how much wider my shoulders got and how much more of a bodybuilder frame I have. I also took a double take when I noticed some brand new veins on my arms.

Last night was a battle to sleep. I finally fell asleep at 4am but I woke up at 5 and found all my sheets were thrown on the floor. I must have been fighting in my sleep lol. Needless to say, I have a lot of energy today!
 
ConanX said:
I'm not an expert in these 2 fields. I just get the needles given to me by my trainer. I believe the ones for glute shots are 23 gauge. To draw out of the vial, it's the bigger ones which I believe are 18 gauge. For the quad shots and delt shots for every day pinning for the Trenbolone, I think it's a 27 gauge insulin pin (you will be doing glute shots). PCT...Nolvadex, Arimidex, etc...PM Needto or Radar. They will really help you out with setting up a cycle.
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Cool Cool thanks Man I'll PM Needto....I don't really know Radar that well...
 
Just took a 2 minute walk to the bank from my job. When I stopped walking to wait on line at the bank, I noticed my quads, calves, and even feet were pumped! They were pulsing. I was also sweating more than usual. Holy crap...I can only imagine the pump I'm going to get when doing arms today...
 
I'm getting that too with the shredder stack, just without the sweats. Good luck my friend, hopefully your arms don't explode!!!
 
Started soem clenbuterol and I can barely type this sentence out. Wow I forgot how strong this stuff is. I was up all night sweating lol. Sweating now too.
 
Be safe bro, it sounds to me like you are taking in a lot of different shit now. I know some of the sides are expected and all, but have you had your BP taken lately?
 
Captain FT said:
Be safe bro, it sounds to me like you are taking in a lot of different shit now. I know some of the sides are expected and all, but have you had your BP taken lately?
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Yeah, thanks man. I'm doing fine. It was that initial clenbuterol kick lol. I haven't had a stim in a while and it's been over a year since I took clen. I forgot how shaky it makes you. Today is my 3rd day on it and it has weakened drastically. Tomorrow I'll up it another 20mcg.
 
starting 4th day on clen. I cut my carbs down a little bit (from around 180-200grams down to 100-150 grams) and I am now at 205. A couple of days ago I was 210. I have about 4 new veins in my lower abs. My mid section looks much tighter already and I look more vascular.

No bad side affects to mention . No hairloss, gyno, tren rage.

The clen does make me very shaky though. It looks bad when I am eating with a fork. I look like I have parkinsons. I also notice that around 9PM I start to get splitting headaches that last all night until I go to sleep.

When I do sleep, it's a deep sleep and I wake up feeling very well rested. I have no problems getting up early and I have full energy with minimal rest.

My strength has also gone up but I am being careful not to increase weights too much as my shoulders are worrying me.
 
You can get it from a store I think. Conan, I've been using GABA and it's helped out tremendously. Plus it increases GH production if you take it at night right before bed!
 
Thanks for the suggestions dudes. I bought a bottle and will use it tonight. Last night was kind of rough. I kept tossing and turning. I got very sweaty and I made the bed very hot. I had to roll to the other side of the bed where it was much cooler lol.

At night, I weighed in at 216.6lbs

I was telling my friend/trainer about my weight and he made me realize that within a year, I put on 40lbs of muscle mass. I could not be happier with how everything has gone so far.

I ramped my clen up to 220mcg by the end of the 2nd week and I am taking 2 weeks off of that with 4 doses of ECA split throughout the day (per dose: E 25mg, C 200mg, A 81mg). I wore a beater to the gym last night and everybody commented on how within a week I got bigger but also more cut and defined.

I started using Creatine Monohydrate as well starting with last week.
 
Yeah, the tossing and turning has finally subsided for me. I'm glad to hear the gains are comin nice and steady mate! Keep up the good work Homey!
 
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