Thinking about HGH and Test.. any advice??

[MrPowerbilt]

i've been considering using HGH for quite some time.. my main reason for doing so is chronic knee pain.. someone else i know--a former pro athlete--had been suffering from similar issues with his knees.. he started a HRT program about a year ago.. and says his knees and other joints have never felt better.. and the added weight loss and other age-related benefits are just a bonus..

but from what i've been reading.. it seems as though just about everyone recommends using some test along with the growth hormone.. would you suggest that as well? i mean is it necessary or just a good idea?

a friend of mine did a combo of hgh/test/deca.. said he was putting on muscle like crazy.. putting on so much extra muscle is not my goal..

so deca is definitely not an option for me.. but i'm wondering how much different my short-term results (3-4 months with be) with both hgh/test.. as compared to just doing hgh alone..

and as far as IGF-1 is concerned.. what are the net benefits? is it to be taken in conjunction with hgh/test.. or separately?

 

[goin on 4T]

How old are you?
What are your stats?
You expect GH to repair your knee?
Are you planing on doing legs?

 

[MrPowerbilt]

i am 36 (37 this summer).. 6'3", 245lbs, 25-30% bodyfat..

i'm not expecting HGH to repair my knees.. but i do expect it to help with a speedier recovery following workouts.. one trick to alleviating chronic knee pain is a combination of overal weight loss (cardio) and increase strength in quads and hams.. so that means doing really good leg workouts..

but i am also hoping there is some regenerative properties to HGH.. or at the very least, it slows down the degenerative process.. following my last surgery (2 years ago), my surgeon said i have the knees of a 50-year old..

everyone i talk to about HGH says i should run test with it as well.. the benefits are said to be exponentially better with a combo of hgh/test than just HGH alone..

i guess i'm just looking for confirmation on that information.. and any other helpful info from people who have used HGH and what their results were..

 

[goin on 4T]

Ok, now you look like a candidate for GH!
Oh, a few more question. Have you ever run cycles? If so what? How was your recovery?
3-4 month results will not be that great and sure it will help repair some, the pain will more than likely come back when off. I have taken the test/deca/GH mix to resolve pain issues and loved it...
If you have the funds. Run GH @ 2IU's for 2 months than add test, amount and time depends on your goals, personally for the joints I would add deca just run a small amount say 100mg/week. With that said you should run a minimum of 200mg of test. Depending on your history 200-300mg of test should give great results and not look like you are a juicer!
The synergies of the test/deca/GH are great when run correctly!

 

[MrPowerbilt]

this would be my first cycle ever.. i've taken some over the counter stuff.. but nothing too potent..

up until recently.. i could depend on my body to fully recover rather quickly.. but it's becoming more and more obvious everyday that is no longer the case..

what is the added benefit of the deca for the joints? or is it all about the synergy of the three??

 

[gladiator21]

if this is your first cycle gh should be out of the question exspecially what your considering using with it...the test isnt bad but the insulin is what fucks people up...i would run test only cycle to see how your body reacts to that but you did say something about joint pain and knee so deca would help that....i see people do this shit all the time. they see something work for their friend (in this case gh/test/deca) and they think wow he got fuckin huge and shredded so it would work for me too. NOT THE CASE our bodies respond different then others just because it works for him doesnt mean its going to work for you. You need to listen to your body and see what responds excellent for you..It would be stupid in my opionon to go drop $1300 on gh when it might not react how you want it to. so i would drop the idea of gh and insulin for now MOSTLY BECAUSE ITS YOUR FIRST CYCLE, get your diet in check, add cardio or more cardio, and run a testosterone/deca cycle.

 

[goin on 4T]

if this is your first cycle gh should be out of the question exspecially what your considering using with it...the test isnt bad but the insulin is what fucks people up...i would run test only cycle to see how your body reacts to that but you did say something about joint pain and knee so deca would help that....i see people do this shit all the time. they see something work for their friend (in this case gh/test/deca) and they think wow he got fuckin huge and shredded so it would work for me too. NOT THE CASE our bodies respond different then others just because it works for him doesnt mean its going to work for you. You need to listen to your body and see what responds excellent for you..It would be stupid in my opionon to go drop $1300 on gh when it might not react how you want it to. so i would drop the idea of gh and insulin for now MOSTLY BECAUSE ITS YOUR FIRST CYCLE, get your diet in check, add cardio or more cardio, and run a testosterone/deca cycle.

That is some great advice except Mrpowerbilt is not looking at adding mass. So in my opinion you are off. Secondly, GH taken in small amounts correctly is not going to adversly effect ones insulin. Also, my first real cycle, not the dumb kid shit I did in my 20's, started with GH. Then after much prodding I add test. However, I was worried about what the test was going to do to my body so I only did prop. The synergies were amazing. I appreciate your conservative response, I, however respectfully disagree. No one is recommending this guy slam his glutes with 500-750mg/week of test + 250-300mg of deca + 5IU's of GH.
Lastly, I would imagine cardio and more cardio is not something that is easily done when your knees are jacked up! Thus ther reason for the GH and the deca. Not for mass!

 

[goin on 4T]

this would be my first cycle ever.. i've taken some over the counter stuff.. but nothing too potent..

up until recently.. i could depend on my body to fully recover rather quickly.. but it's becoming more and more obvious everyday that is no longer the case..

what is the added benefit of the deca for the joints? or is it all about the synergy of the three??

Are you planning on taking these with (except the GH) under the suppervision of a dr?
It is alot easier than you think especially with your condition. Have you done any research on HRT.

 

[digimon7068]

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[MrPowerbilt]

i approached the subject with my orthopedic surgeon.. and he gave me all the dangers of doing it.. i am meeting my internist monday to get his take.. i recently had a complete physical and blood test results were excellent as far as my health is concerned.. i want to get his take on it.. especially following my most recent physical a few weeks ago..

 

[access]

IMO, forget the HGH. If your knees are that bad at your age already then I doubt your going to see too much from the GH. IGF might be a better way to go and is less expensive. If money is not that much of an object then for sure give the GH a go but I tend to think you'll see little from it. Alternatively the Test and Deca is much more likely to provide benefit and you can run at low dose given your requirements and see improvements in lean mass and libido as well. Maybe look to add in a little EQ too.

 

[digimon7068]

IMO, forget the HGH. If your knees are that bad at your age already then I doubt your going to see too much from the GH. IGF might be a better way to go and is less expensive. If money is not that much of an object then for sure give the GH a go but I tend to think you'll see little from it. Alternatively the Test and Deca is much more likely to provide benefit and you can run at low dose given your requirements and see improvements in lean mass and libido as well. Maybe look to add in a little EQ too.

a while back i would have agreed with that. . .even if you asked me in the middle of my first 3 month go-round with 2iu's ed. . .however. . .the real results- mirror-wise -that i noted occurred over the few weeks after i began my break from it. . .i got ridiculously lean. . .i've been pretty lean in the past, but i wasn't able to retain the muscle mass that i have now. . .not even with higher doses of various substances. . .i'm a believer. . .plus i just feel "better" all the way around. . .and other than the gh, i'm only using a doctor-prescribed hrt dose of test. . .

 

[MrPowerbilt]

i've heard some pretty bad stories about fake products.. just found some pricing on some gh that seems a bit too good to be true..

 

[access]

There is no price talk allowed on this forum. You would need to go to "The Source Check".

 

[access]

a while back i would have agreed with that. . .even if you asked me in the middle of my first 3 month go-round with 2iu's ed. . .however. . .the real results- mirror-wise -that i noted occurred over the few weeks after i began my break from it. . .i got ridiculously lean. . .i've been pretty lean in the past, but i wasn't able to retain the muscle mass that i have now. . .not even with higher doses of various substances. . .i'm a believer. . .plus i just feel "better" all the way around. . .and other than the gh, i'm only using a doctor-prescribed hrt dose of test. . .

I am not doubting you on the leaness aspect as long term GH use will provide that but I was more directing my comments towards his knee issues which seemed to be his priority for GH use. Given that I don't think it would be all that great but as I said if he has the money then certainly give it a whirl.

 

[digimon7068]

I am not doubting you on the leaness aspect as long term GH use will provide that but I was more directing my comments towards his knee issues which seemed to be his priority for GH use. Given that I don't think it would be all that great but as I said if he has the money then certainly give it a whirl.

my knees are bone-on-bone. . .have been for several years now. . .they seem to work a quite a bit better now than they did a while ago. . .imho, though, the "improvement" has more to do with me getting used to the pain than any actual "improvement". . .there ain't no miracle drug for bad knees (joints). . .

 

[MrPowerbilt]

are you saying there has been no alleviation of your knee pain.. but rather you have simply gotten used to it over time?

 

[digimon7068]

are you saying there has been no alleviation of your knee pain.. but rather you have simply gotten used to it over time?

yup. . .that's what i'm saying. . .but mine are completely used up. . .up until a year ago, when the pain got to be over-bearing, i'd get a round of synvisc injections. . .they definitely work. . .but honestly, yeah, at this point, i've just kind of gotten used to it. . .i can squat 315 to 90-degrees again (used to do 505, ass to the floor) which is a significant improvement. . .however. . .like was mentioned above. . .i think you'd be pretty surprised what 150 or 200mg of deca every 14 days would do for your joints. . .that's a very mild dose, but it's enough to make everything feel a litte more buttery-smooth. . .and it's way cheap compared to gh. . .

 

[goin on 4T]

Dig glad you are feeling better. I didn't believe in the Deca either until I tried it. Something about the Test/Deca/GH combo that is amazing!

 

[MrPowerbilt]

i'm on my second round of synvisc injections (round=3 shots over the course of weeks).. it definitely helps.. but not nearly enough in my opinion.. my orthopedic told me to stay away from squats if at all possible.. leaving me relegated to the leg press machine..

talk to my doctor today.. he's going to bring me in for more blood work to check my test level.. but he's more than willing to start me on a test program.. he doesn't do gh and said he would be concerned about the pricing of it.. money is always an issue.. but i can afford it.. providing it works, of course!

 

[digimon7068]

i'm on my second round of synvisc injections (round=3 shots over the course of weeks).. it definitely helps.. but not nearly enough in my opinion.. my orthopedic told me to stay away from squats if at all possible.. leaving me relegated to the leg press machine..

talk to my doctor today.. he's going to bring me in for more blood work to check my test level.. but he's more than willing to start me on a test program.. he doesn't do gh and said he would be concerned about the pricing of it.. money is always an issue.. but i can afford it.. providing it works, of course!

my ortho told me mine need replaced (like over 3 years ago). . .no articular cartilage left. . .he also told me to wait and see what happens for as long as i can. . .technology improvements everyday. . .he also told me i couldn't do a whole lot more damage to them. . .so do whatever i can handle. . .i use my head. . .i'm not trying to impress anyone anymore. . .friggum

 

[digimon7068]

Dig glad you are feeling better. I didn't believe in the Deca either until I tried it. Something about the Test/Deca/GH combo that is amazing!

no doubt about it!!

 

[access]

i'm on my second round of synvisc injections (round=3 shots over the course of weeks).. it definitely helps.. but not nearly enough in my opinion.. my orthopedic told me to stay away from squats if at all possible.. leaving me relegated to the leg press machine..

Leg Presses if done correctly are perfectly fine for quad development and maybe try smith squats where you can get into a position that takes a lot of stress off of your knees. Doing these two exercises in combination will allow you great quad development.