Hi Johnny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While we're at it, we should also remove teaching about other countries and religion. You don't really need those skills in PS.Perfect!
We have Elementary School teachers taking the day off to discuss how to introduce gayness in the classroom.
I'm not one to flip out about this stuff, but if my local schools teach little kids about homosexuality, i'm gonna kick some serious ass.
High School? eh no.
Elementary School?
F.U.C.K. NO!
In no way shape or form should homoseuality, or even heterosexuality be discussed in elementary schools ever. EVER.
Fuck this country for real. On top of the economical shithole we are in, we have sodomites going around preaching tolerance to sodomy and sexual perversion. That's just what this country needs. NOT!
Perfect!
We have Elementary School teachers taking the day off to discuss how to introduce gayness in the classroom.
I'm not one to flip out about this stuff, but if my local schools teach little kids about homosexuality, i'm gonna kick some serious ass.
High School? eh no.
Elementary School?
F.U.C.K. NO!
In no way shape or form should homoseuality, or even heterosexuality be discussed in elementary schools ever. EVER.
Fuck this country for real. On top of the economical shithole we are in, we have sodomites going around preaching tolerance to sodomy and sexual perversion. That's just what this country needs. NOT!
While we're at it, we should also remove teaching about other countries and religion. You don't really need those skills in PS.
You should teach self reliance and resourcefulness.
What's educational about homosexuality?
I mean, other than:
"Some guys like other guys as opposed to girls"
and the same with lesbains.
That is all that needs to be said, if anything at all.(which it doesn't)
Why on earth would anyone want to present small children with homosexuality in the school system?
In the Netherlands, it's cool to be bi/gay and participate in homosexuality. I doubt 40% of Holland is gay. The political and social influence there has taught people that homosexuality is cool and acceptable in society as a whole.
Over there, it's not about being born gay or whatever, it's about being cool and fitting the "gay" trend.
Does anyone here have the nuts to stand up to these nasty political agendas that teach sexual perversion.
If you are a gay, that is your choice/lifestyle/who you are. I am not gonna hate on you, or even talk to you if I don't have to because I don't know you. But, do NOT start shoving your homosexuality into my kids face. People are gonna get pissed and they are gonna fight back. And they are going to fight back hard.
The gays have come out to the (left side) of the plate swinging for the fences since Prop 8. Those on the other side are gonna play harder because are fighting to protect society. We are standing for morality and keeping our children from corruption and perversion. Those of the pro-gay side are trying to instill their ways on us and we will no stand for it.
What's educational about homosexuality?
The gays have come out to the (left side) of the plate swinging for the fences since Prop 8. Those on the other side are gonna play harder because are fighting to protect society. We are standing for morality and keeping our children from corruption and perversion. Those of the pro-gay side are trying to instill their ways on us and we will no stand for it.
Yep. Amazing.And, sadly some people are too wussy to nut-up and stand aginst these people when inside they oppose it. They fear being socially uncool or viewed as an "intolerant bigot."
Actually, this is where I disagree because your statement is subject from your point of view. On this, I would agree with your statement; but I also understand that my belief is not global so I preface it by say "What I consider to be morally right and true".I love my family and my community and I will fight to protect what is undoubtedly morally right and true.
True, but it's much easier to dismiss the argument when you dismiss the person behind it and not the argument itself. Sad, I know.Also, I don't know how standing against this agenda is increasingly being called bigoted and intolerant. That's horsecrap. Standing up for what you believe in is not bigotry or intolerance just because it opposes someone elses point of view. It's called a disagreement.
If a man wants to sleep with another man, that's a person's business.
Totally agree
Sure, I'll think that the person is defective (because man/man sex cannot pro-create); but they're free to do what they want PROVIDED that my tax dollars aren't impacted.
Again, I agree.
If a person wants to worship a zombified jew who's come to Northa America, again that's their business. Again, I would consider them defective (muslims, christians, pagans, I don't care...but don't say anything about my church of superman, I consider them defective for believing in that shit...); but they're free to do what they want PROVIDED that my tax dollars aren't impacted.
Do you have a blue tights prototype yet? lol
I totally agree about your view of shoving gay culture down kids throats because it's different from when I was growing up. In the same vein, I don't think it's beneficial to teach kids about LDS, Kwaznna, or any other religious holiday or organization.
A holiday is just for fun. It's a celebration of religion(well, some of them are.). Though, Religion itself is different from sexuality. On the whole, religion teaches heterosexuality. Though the view of not teaching someone religion is understood, teaching kids about homosexuality as a young child is damaging IMO.
I'm sure there are much better and productive things to teach.
You'd be surprised by the flack that I get from my gay friends when I call them defective.
Lol, I can only imagine.
BTW, in case you're wondering, I consider hetro couples who can't or choose not to pro-create as defective also.
Lol, I understand where you are coming from. From a completely survival, basic human nature point of view this is totally true.
The amount of gay support in the past 2 months has almost doubled. We have celebrities, businessmen, politicians now supporting the gay agenda.
And since the sheep of America always like to believe in what's popular - the support for gay agendas has also increased. If they did a gay marriage vote now, I bet it would pass with flying colors.
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Stop flirting with me. I won't sleep with you...again.
Perfect!
We have Elementary School teachers taking the day off to discuss how to introduce gayness in the classroom.
I'm not one to flip out about this stuff, but if my local schools teach little kids about homosexuality, i'm gonna kick some serious ass.
High School? eh no.
Elementary School?
F.U.C.K. NO!
In no way shape or form should homoseuality, or even heterosexuality be discussed in elementary schools ever. EVER.
Fuck this country for real. On top of the economical shithole we are in, we have sodomites going around preaching tolerance to sodomy and sexual perversion. That's just what this country needs. NOT!
dabuff, your attitudes on homosexuality really fucking annoy me. Like...really. I don't disagree that it should be kept out of schools except maybe in health classes when they are discussing human sexuality, but you really need to learn how to make your point without the words "sexual perversion" and talking about things being absolutely "immoral" without prefacing it with "in my opinion."
Why not?
It should absolutely be a part of sex ed.
Bah, you'd put them on speed dial for after work.If someone decided to protest me by calling in gay, I'd fire them for cause before they got the phone hung up.
Why? I thought that sex education was primarily about pro-creation. They don't talk about orgies or BDSM, so why talk about homosexuality (other then it exists like BDSM)?Why not?
It should absolutely be a part of sex ed.
Why? I thought that sex education was primarily about pro-creation. They don't talk about orgies or BDSM, so why talk about homosexuality (other then it exists like BDSM)?
Like religion.And also, wouldn't it be safe to keep this out of elementary education entirely?
Why? I thought that sex education was primarily about pro-creation. They don't talk about orgies or BDSM, so why talk about homosexuality (other then it exists like BDSM)?
because some of us think homosexuality is a naturally occuring thing that people are born with, rather than an alternative lifestyle choice.
Like religion? Religious tendencies are probably 10 to 20 times more "naturally occurring" in almost every society yet we don't teach that...
(point to Enderj, who first commented on it)
because some of us think homosexuality is a naturally occuring thing that people are born with, rather than an alternative lifestyle choice.
explain bisexuality and women becoming straight at 30. so that 'bisexual gene' has an expiry date and only exists in college chicks at college?
explain anne heche and angelina jolie while your'e at it. So I guess men 'are born with it' and women like anne heche can become gay, straight, bisexual whenever the fuck they want.
And explain men who fuck other men in prison but straight when they get out. I guess prison also creates 'the gay gene'.
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So, I'm curious, what would you have them teach in Sex Ed class? In the case of hetro, they teach how man and woman pro-create. They go into how to protect yourself from STDs and pregnancy.because some of us think homosexuality is a naturally occuring thing that people are born with, rather than an alternative lifestyle choice.
The score is EnderJ 358 to Plunkey's 12.Like religion? Religious tendencies are probably 10 to 20 times more "naturally occurring" in almost every society yet we don't teach that...
(point to Enderj, who first commented on it)
So, I'm curious, what would you have them teach in Sex Ed class? In the case of hetro, they teach how man and woman pro-create. They go into how to protect yourself from STDs and pregnancy.
Earlier to Plunkey's point, they don't go into bloodplay.
In the case of homo, what would they teach? The STD lessons are still covered, but what else is there (other then it exists)?
As for your other point, I agree that homosexuality is genetic. However, the part that I have trouble with is the amount of homosexuality that is genetic. Do I believe that some are born that way? Sure. Do I believe that ALL are born that way? Not really. I believe that some choose to. Now, you might say why would anyone choose homosexuality? The gays that I know are some of the kindest, nicest, loving people around. If a person was truly down or suicidal, I could understand why they would want to turn that way. Sometimes, when you don't love yourself, you can do amazing things.
So, I'm curious, what would you have them teach in Sex Ed class? In the case of hetro, they teach how man and woman pro-create. They go into how to protect yourself from STDs and pregnancy.
Earlier to Plunkey's point, they don't go into bloodplay.
In the case of homo, what would they teach? The STD lessons are still covered, but what else is there (other then it exists)?
As for your other point, I agree that homosexuality is genetic. However, the part that I have trouble with is the amount of homosexuality that is genetic. Do I believe that some are born that way? Sure. Do I believe that ALL are born that way? Not really. I believe that some choose to. Now, you might say why would anyone choose homosexuality? The gays that I know are some of the kindest, nicest, loving people around. If a person was truly down or suicidal, I could understand why they would want to turn that way. Sometimes, when you don't love yourself, you can do amazing things.
As long as we (collectively) don't talk in 'absolutes', then it can go either way.Ender, see my above post to RG about sexuality. I agree that some could go either way and choose the same sex. but I also believe some could never love a member of the opposite sex.
I also responded to your first question in my response to plunky. I don't believe seperate sexuality lessons need to be given for both "sides." No graphic details needed. but acknoledging it as an existing thing that SOME are born with, yes.
dabuff, your attitudes on homosexuality really fucking annoy me. Like...really. I don't disagree that it should be kept out of schools except maybe in health classes when they are discussing human sexuality, but you really need to learn how to make your point without the words "sexual perversion" and talking about things being absolutely "immoral" without prefacing it with "in my opinion."
If Plunkey is correct humanity is evolving at an unprecedented rates. In 1990 7.5% of Americans were non-religious, in 2001 13.2% were non-religious, the current rate is 16.1% and those are Pew numbers.
Here is a video presenting the data...
Atheist Statistics For 2008 - Do You Believe These? | FlowingData
The score is EnderJ 358 to Plunkey's 12.
Nef is right, everyone else comes off as homophobes to me personally.
But shouldn't it be presented simply as a fact (i.e. homosexuality exists)?
Then leave it up to the parents to make or forgo the moral judgment.
And also, wouldn't it be safe to keep this out of elementary education entirely?
So, I'm curious, what would you have them teach in Sex Ed class? In the case of hetro, they teach how man and woman pro-create. They go into how to protect yourself from STDs and pregnancy.
Earlier to Plunkey's point, they don't go into bloodplay.
In the case of homo, what would they teach? The STD lessons are still covered, but what else is there (other then it exists)?
As for your other point, I agree that homosexuality is genetic. However, the part that I have trouble with is the amount of homosexuality that is genetic. Do I believe that some are born that way? Sure. Do I believe that ALL are born that way? Not really. I believe that some choose to. Now, you might say why would anyone choose homosexuality? The gays that I know are some of the kindest, nicest, loving people around. If a person was truly down or suicidal, I could understand why they would want to turn that way. Sometimes, when you don't love yourself, you can do amazing things.
There is a huge chasm between being a homophobe and being someone who doesn't want homosexuality taught in elementary education. What percentage of guys want a threesome at some point in their lives? So should we offer classes with "no details, just the basics" on how it's fine for fourth graders to want to have sex with two women at once? Should we also explain it's perfectly normal for them to want to tie-up or otherwise restrain their partner at some point?
Instead, why not teach the reproductive aspects of sex only, and then have the parents address other issues?
Science, yes. Emotion, no. (IMHO)I don't care about the semantics, sexuality is sexuality regardless of the choices people make or face and children and teens need to be educated about the science and the emotion involved.
Yeah, put words in my mouth, lol. All I said is that there should be a genereal explanation. You took what I said and twisted it around because it is the only way you could make your failing point. I wasn't talking about beastality or sexual fantasies being taught, lol. Everyone including yourself understood what I was saying. You are coming off as someone who paints gays as being sexually perverse, equal to people who fuck animals and things like that. Big difference...
Gays are treated unfairly and lead tough childhoods, which is wrong and sad. By educating kids that this is just how some people are but they are still normal people like you and me is what is needed. I'm not trying to change your hateful demented view on this, I just want to get it straight so that others don't follow your ridiculous logic. If I was a gay poster on this board and saw some of these posts it would anger me alot, but I guess they expect the ignorance.
Some people don't think they are "still normal people like you and me". That's the point.
There are parents who don't want their children taught that homosexuality is "normal" and it isn't the public education system's job to make that value judgment either way. I'd be equally opposed to a school teaching that homosexuality is wrong. It isn't their place to call those shots.
P.S. That was the weakest flame I believe I've ever read on this board. I'd expect more, even from a self-proclaimed "Ambercrombe-looking guy".
Since you are so well versed in "the basics of science", you'd recognize that this trend is artificially imposed on people trying to second-guess humanity's evolutionarily-instilled drive to seek-out a higher power.
I never proclaimed to be anything,
I met yet another girl last night and we went back to my friends house and I took her downstairs....... but she wouldn't have sex with me. I'm totally cool with that, in a way I like it because I like this girl. I was kissing her alot and I could tell she was totally into me. She is beautiful and very different than other girls I meet. I was very drunk and was being a cocky son of a bitch so maybe that's why she didn't respond back. She also might not be responding back because while I look like some abercrombie looking guy, she's this tatted up rocker chick.
apparently part of being an abercrombie-looking guy involves having a short memory.
I won't deny that humans have a tendency to seek out irrational answers to questions that have no clear answer at the time, we are stuck with our primate brains. However, they are rejecting religion and taking up conspiracy theories and global warming as their substitute for religion.
Yes, there is global warming trend starting centuries ago, long before humans developed major industry but it was after the "little ice age." I have yet to read a paper that establishes humans are the primary contributors to global warming.
pwned!!@!1
It's none of public school's business to teach whether homosexual is right or wrong. Leave that shit to parents. Creationism, Homosexuality, Abortion, Right to Die, How evil white people, whatever - none of their damn business. Teach them 2 + 2, then send them home.
Anotehr reason why Private Schools rock. Lazy ass parents who want public schools to teach them AND RAISE THEM is the reason why public schools think it's their job to teach kids everything about the world for them.
My kids will never see the inside of a public school, ever. Hate your kids - send them to public school. They can then call my kids boss one day.
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Once again, you and plunkey are good at arguing by switching words around to make it look loike you are correct. You brought up items that do not result in hate crimes. Okay, this his how one of you guys would argue my position, lol.
"Why don't we just stop teaching about slavery"
You guys can keep your argument going on forever with bullshit like that. Plunkey takes it to another degree by getting personal. I bet you do this in RL and piss people off. You got me,but I'm not upset. I occasionally do it myself with friends when my argument is faultering as well.
Don't change the mission of education.
You teach my kid 2+2 and send him home. I'll teach the rest.
How would YOU feel if your daycare started teaching your kida bout hitler, creatinism, anti-abortion, the korean and the evil of corporations?
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We do learn about hitler as a kid, just as I want the homosexuality taught in a very basic way. I don't even want it to be one day of class. Just one paragraph for a few minutes explaining what it is and not taking any views in either way. Just that it is wrong to target people based on relegion, sex orientation, race etc..
Damn. I can understand why my kids have to learn French in Gr9, but you don't have the same problems that we have with the French.the goal of public schools is to get you ready for the work world. Look up it's creations.
YOU teach your kids whatever the hell you want. I want my kids to learn skills and get sent home. I don't want stupid groups to use my kids as targets of their agendas. Another reason why Private Schools kick the shit out of public schools. I can decide myself what they will or will not learn. How democratic!
You know in la public schools they force american kids to learn spanish in kindergarten?? Not learn english, learn SPANISH.
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