for those like myself who cycle and suffer depression

[forcd]

i'm not gunna play a violin, or play hard done by. just curious to hear from others who gear and suffer deppression, i myself suffer severe depression, i honestly dont kno how they scale it so i cant tell you what that means, but i am medicated and if i miss my meds all turns to shit, i wonder with others who gear does it effect your condition???? i was told it could of put me there in there first place, but also genetics, bad diet, rec drugs, a bad event blah blah, but i still gear i cant take letro or i spiral into a black hole that scares me.... i'm tryin tren now for the first time i already take alprazolam (xanax to most of you) for anxiety so i cant tell if giving me that..... i'm tired constantly but with ever since had depression i've had no energy and no med we've tried helps. i still smash it in the gym though.


really am just curious if theres others out there gearing with the same condition?????

 

[Zyglamail]

Probably not gonna be what you want to hear, but if your on meds for depression, then my opinion is you should be focusing on your health and not using gear. Fluctuating hormone levels can be a bear for people without depression and anxiety issues, why exacerbate your problems?

 

[forcd]

my psyc says the same, and thankyou for being honest... my opinion is you gotta live.... where do you stop, bad diet can cause depression including to much protein, not enough sunlight, shitty job, just plain bad luck, no reason at all. i mean i remain healthy it may sound silly but i do stay away from things that drag me into the doldrums ( a place i would not wish upon my worst enemy ) but bbuilding is a real passion and it may sound like an addicts attitude but so is aas, it brings upon sex drive which i dont have normally due to my meds, i just feel i still gotta follow my passions regardless of the humps in the road. hope this help you understand but i do appreciate your input and dont disagree with you

 

[stevesmi]

i agree with zygie... AAS will screw u up more. and tren is the worst at mind f**king you up.

you can most certainly follow your passions without juicing. there are wonderful supps out there. and if you do want to juice later on at the very least run something like var and primo at low doses.. something that won't mess with your head.

 

[forcd]

10 years ago dbols were supps otc bro, i cant take no explode, super pump 250, any pre workout stimulant. even going over 400g proteina day or i go off the rails...... just cos its over the counter doesnt mean it wont fuck with my condition, i do appreciate both your input i might say the same if i didnt understand what depression felt like but i was more after those who have depression and juice, but remember juice could have got me here so telling me it will make me worse is kind of letting yourself know it could happen to you, i didnt always have it. i may have it forever, juice or not, i do what makes me happy as those who live with depression will understand you need things like that to get through. 6 years ago i seriously would laugh at the idea that a person could be at absolute rock bottom for no reason, I mean just man the fuck up and get on with it right??? once it takes a hold of you, you suddenly understand suicide rates and being an misserable kent sometimes.... but i can still squat ass to the grass, i got a baby girl and a kick ass wife so i get through.

 

[panther66]

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I agree with you forcd that you have to be careful with the OTC. I take meds for depression as well and recently I was taking a scoop of DAA to get a natural test boost. Well, about a week into taking it, I was a mess. It really f'd with my emotions. I've never done a AAS cycle but instead have just stuck with OTC and peps. Some OTC's that haven't messed with me and actually seem to work include RLS P347, PES AnaBeta, and NTBM HCGenerate. Fortunately, I haven't had any problems using preworkout stims such as N2KTS and Forged Burner. Hope this helps.

 

[stevesmi]

well this is a totally different way of looking at it but i will give my personal view on depression. it is NORMAL to feel depressed and there is nothing wrong with it. what is wrong is when a psychiatrist or dr puts you on pills and this attitude prevalent more and more that we must always be happy and feel great.

sh*t happens in life and it isn't easy.. yeah if my dog dies or gf dumps me i am gonna cry about it. this bs that you have to move on with life or not be upset is nonsense. we are emotional as human beings, we aren't robots. as long as you have hobbies and you enjoy life most of the time you should feel blessed. but don't let someone tell you its not okay to feel depressed when stuff goes wrong or you should go out and get drunk when you have a bad day. thats buffoonery. hit the gym or the track and take out your anger through exercise and meditation, leave the meds to the overmedicated world we live in. i'll be honest its hard to find anyone under 30 these days who isn't on some type of medication, people need to learn how to live a balanced life.

 

[StevenM23]

Yeah man I had depression for a year when my exfiance left me and doc put me on Xanax and Prozac , made me alright for a bit but then I relied on them so much and started abusing the Xanax , put me in a worse place then to begin with , stick it out and fight it with all you've got, working out and hobbies like said above is my anti-depressant now , no sides and I never come down hard from them , i think it's cool u came on Here and said whTs going on with u , means your in the stage of moving forward , also I dunno if ur atheist or not but try praying to a higher power , I don't care if it's a chair or a cloud , it helps big time brotha

 

[panther66]

well this is a totally different way of looking at it but i will give my personal view on depression. it is NORMAL to feel depressed and there is nothing wrong with it. what is wrong is when a psychiatrist or dr puts you on pills and this attitude prevalent more and more that we must always be happy and feel great.

sh*t happens in life and it isn't easy.. yeah if my dog dies or gf dumps me i am gonna cry about it. this bs that you have to move on with life or not be upset is nonsense. we are emotional as human beings, we aren't robots. as long as you have hobbies and you enjoy life most of the time you should feel blessed. but don't let someone tell you its not okay to feel depressed when stuff goes wrong or you should go out and get drunk when you have a bad day. thats buffoonery. hit the gym or the track and take out your anger through exercise and meditation, leave the meds to the overmedicated world we live in. i'll be honest its hard to find anyone under 30 these days who isn't on some type of medication, people need to learn how to live a balanced life.

As I stated in my previous post, I take an antidepressant. I'm far from being mentally weak nor do I feel the need to be happy all of the time. There is a huge difference from being down about normal life crap and depression. Fortunately for you Steve, you're not aware of the difference because I get the impression that you haven't experienced the latter, which is good. I live a very balanced life, which includes family, friends, a great job, healthy diet, and loads of exercise. My depression isn't about feeling sad over nothing, it's an illness, which requires treatment like any other illness. I'm not ashamed about it, and anyone who looks down at someone who gets treatment for it... well, this is America and they are entitled to their beliefs (I'm speaking in general, not specifically you Steve.).

 

[Zyglamail]

My depression isn't about feeling sad over nothing, it's an illness, which requires treatment like any other illness.

I guess what I dont understand is the desire to blatantly disregard the side effects of gear when you are suffering from depression and coming here looking for a way to get around them.

I think its foolish to say you cant take certain OTC supps but in the same breath say you want to take AAS.

Its kind of like a diabetic coming here saying, I love sugar too much so I am going to drink my soda and eat my candy all damn day, can someone tell me how to deal with the side effects?

Having said that, I am pro choice, what you do to your body is your own business, just make sure when you snap you keep it your business and blame no one but yourself.

 

[panther66]

I think its foolish to say you cant take certain OTC supps but in the same breath say you want to take AAS.

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I personally did not say I want to take AAS. In fact, I stated that I never have. I have used OTC and peps. The peps have had zero effect on the depression, and I have found one OTC, DAA, that exasperated the depression. I come on this board to learn more about training, peps, and OTC products...plus I enjoy reading about AAS. I am very responsible with my life and realize that AAS wouldn't be in my best interest.

 

[stevesmi]

As I stated in my previous post, I take an antidepressant. I'm far from being mentally weak nor do I feel the need to be happy all of the time. There is a huge difference from being down about normal life crap and depression. Fortunately for you Steve, you're not aware of the difference because I get the impression that you haven't experienced the latter, which is good. I live a very balanced life, which includes family, friends, a great job, healthy diet, and loads of exercise. My depression isn't about feeling sad over nothing, it's an illness, which requires treatment like any other illness. I'm not ashamed about it, and anyone who looks down at someone who gets treatment for it... well, this is America and they are entitled to their beliefs (I'm speaking in general, not specifically you Steve.).

i read a good article on the sun sentinel about brandon Marshall's mental issues. he spent 60K to get treatment over 3 months over the offseason. he is one of my fav football players and i want the guy to be better and there were some comments that he was just using this as an excuse for his off the field issues. i disagree with that assessment totally because the guy has so much in life to enjoy.. i mean he works a job that we all dream of doing, he makes 10M per year, has a nice house, cars, money, everything you could ask for.. but he was depressed. so i definately think this proves that some people just cannot help their situation.

my issue is when you have a person whose gf dumps them, so they get upset and go to the doc and he puts them on prozac or whatever. i know that docs over medicate people and it is ridiculous. the big pharma companies make their living making sure docs hand out their candy as much as possible, that was the jest of my post.

i've actually been depressed lots of times.. i was to the point where i wanted to commit suicide. once over a broken heart, the other time because of work related stuff. i would of too if not for not knowing how without feeling pain.. trust me if there was something i could inject that was painless and i could just go to sleep i would of done it for sure. i actually don't see anything wrong with feeling like that and it takes me some deep meditation and getting my mind off of things to get me back on the right footing which is usually within hours or days once i realize that things could be way worse. also it helps to have a very good netting of friends/family i can turn to if i need someone to talk to.

the danger i see is that you've got teens that get put on meds as teenagers when all along its freaking HARD to be a teenager, so lets just drug our way through it instead of dealing with things. then once they become adults they turn to drugs, alcohol, and more drugs whenever things go awry. maybe if i was a drug executive or dealer i wouldn't feel like this cause i would be bringing in tons of money and playing golf all weekend so i would be fine with our over medicated society.

 

[Zyglamail]

I personally did not say I want to take AAS. In fact, I stated that I never have. I have used OTC and peps. The peps have had zero effect on the depression, and I have found one OTC, DAA, that exasperated the depression. I come on this board to learn more about training, peps, and OTC products...plus I enjoy reading about AAS. I am very responsible with my life and realize that AAS wouldn't be in my best interest.

I was referring to the ops post.

 

[satyricon1]

I have been on medication for depression for a long time, I cycle and have ran most compounds there are. While on I do not have a lot of worries at all, I tapper down on my medication to about 5mg eod or e3d of my medication, for me thats half a pill. When I go off, i increase to 1.5 pills a day and it keeps all the crashes off. When hormones are stable I am back on about 1 pill ED or half a pill, depending.

I have heard a lot of talk about this, to me its just that, talk. A doctor will always try to find a basillion reasons as to why you should not cycle and its no secret, no one should cycle ever, because it has risks and it will fuck with your intestants over time. You may look like a bull of pure awesome on outside, but your organs will look like your 70 at the age of 30.

Personally I do not really give a fuck, I have made a choice in my life and I am sticking to it, as long as my health allows me to do so. This is basicly something that you need to figure out for yourself. For the most part, cycling is bad, steroid use is bad, having depressions are bad, smoking is bad, drugs are bad, crime is bad, being bad is bad, a lot of shit is bad.

There is a lot of fucking double morale standards in this game, its well known, people help you with one hand and slap the shit out of you with the other. What it all comes down to is what your health can handle. Be good with blood-tests, follow up with support for your liver, kidneys etc. First and foremost, listen to your body.

Best of luck to you.

 

[Jaxtwo1]

Id rather be happy and have piece of mind than be big, rich, powerful, or famous. Anyone that has been there. knows the difference. People need to take care of themselves and find their niche. Life is actually short, but it seems like forever when you are miserable.

 

[shoogz]

maybe go for HGH instead of AAS? there is alot of studies that actually indicate HGH decreases depression / anxiety and other related issues.. while it may cost a bit more it would probably be more beneficial for you in the long run, both mentally and physically.

 

[lartinos]

I think post cycle is where you will see your issues most likely, be careful and control your estrogen and other hormones.

 

[forcd]

i read a good article on the sun sentinel about brandon Marshall's mental issues. he spent 60K to get treatment over 3 months over the offseason. he is one of my fav football players and i want the guy to be better and there were some comments that he was just using this as an excuse for his off the field issues. i disagree with that assessment totally because the guy has so much in life to enjoy.. i mean he works a job that we all dream of doing, he makes 10M per year, has a nice house, cars, money, everything you could ask for.. but he was depressed. so i definately think this proves that some people just cannot help their situation.

my issue is when you have a person whose gf dumps them, so they get upset and go to the doc and he puts them on prozac or whatever. i know that docs over medicate people and it is ridiculous. the big pharma companies make their living making sure docs hand out their candy as much as possible, that was the jest of my post.

i've actually been depressed lots of times.. i was to the point where i wanted to commit suicide. once over a broken heart, the other time because of work related stuff. i would of too if not for not knowing how without feeling pain.. trust me if there was something i could inject that was painless and i could just go to sleep i would of done it for sure. i actually don't see anything wrong with feeling like that and it takes me some deep meditation and getting my mind off of things to get me back on the right footing which is usually within hours or days once i realize that things could be way worse. also it helps to have a very good netting of friends/family i can turn to if i need someone to talk to.

the danger i see is that you've got teens that get put on meds as teenagers when all along its freaking HARD to be a teenager, so lets just drug our way through it instead of dealing with things. then once they become adults they turn to drugs, alcohol, and more drugs whenever things go awry. maybe if i was a drug executive or dealer i wouldn't feel like this cause i would be bringing in tons of money and playing golf all weekend so i would be fine with our over medicated society.

uneducated like i was years ago, looking into a fish tank seeing people who have it alll and wondering why they have depression....... dude picture it like this, i have everything, aa beautiful loving wife, a little baby girl who is perfect in everyway, a house, skills that make me vuluable and i can make alot of money so my family is well looked after, but that and all these footy players celebreties you think cos they have millions of coin and live like kings cant have depression...... ITS NOT A SADNESS MY FRIEND, its not oh my puupy died so i should feel sad, ii kno that, its a dark dark place your mind ends up in that youu cannot pull yourslef out of, its far different to feeling sad or down, thats why its called depression. i wanted to hear from those who have it and are medicated against it, because most others just think we are sad people who cant copen with everday life, we cant just pick up and get on with it just like someone in a wheelchair cant just stand up and walk...........

 

[satyricon1]

uneducated like i was years ago, looking into a fish tank seeing people who have it alll and wondering why they have depression....... dude picture it like this, i have everything, aa beautiful loving wife, a little baby girl who is perfect in everyway, a house, skills that make me vuluable and i can make alot of money so my family is well looked after, but that and all these footy players celebreties you think cos they have millions of coin and live like kings cant have depression...... ITS NOT A SADNESS MY FRIEND, its not oh my puupy died so i should feel sad, ii kno that, its a dark dark place your mind ends up in that youu cannot pull yourslef out of, its far different to feeling sad or down, thats why its called depression. i wanted to hear from those who have it and are medicated against it, because most others just think we are sad people who cant copen with everday life, we cant just pick up and get on with it just like someone in a wheelchair cant just stand up and walk...........

What you are describing here is absolutely to the point correct. This is exactly what a depression is all about. Depressions can also be triggered by bad happenings in our lives, but feeling down and sad because of natural events, are not the same as the diagnosed Depression.

That being said, my doctor believes that my depression was triggered due to Trenbolone back in 2005 when it was used as a standalone without any test. I disagree with that. I know for a fact that there were different things that triggered it for me, however, to most, including me, they are minor shitty things that has no meaning at all. Yet they bumped me over the fence..

As I wrote in my previous post, I am on medication, to me its a safety, espescially when I go off cycle. I do not have to deal with moodswings really, I am stable. Both on and off and between cycles.

 

[Wilcox]

I had the same problem, I stuck to stacks that included Mood enhancers etc. N2Shred is a good stack which lightens my mood actually while helping me cut the weight.

 

[Ox-Sandra-Loan]

Both testosterone and mesterolone have been shown to be effective anti-depressant treatments in males. I would steer clear of things like tren however (just my opinion). I would bet that dbol, which is known for its sense of well-being would also have anti-depressant effects. The problems would arise, I think, after the cycle, so a good, strong PCT would be in order, as well as avoiding things like clomid which will almost surely make depression worse.
*I have been diagnosed with depression, and have been on and off different meds over the years with varying effects, some good, some not so good. The past few years I have decided to not use anti-depressant meds, and work with otc supplements (5-HTP, SAMe) as well as testosterone. Also I have found working out itself to be rather beneficial to my mood in general. I'm not recommending this route for others...find what works for you. The route I have taken is far from perfect, and the demon still sits on my shoulder from time to time, but for the most part I do ok.
As a side note: I don't worry about pct anymore, I'm on to hrt after this last big cycle, and I'll likely do a 10-16 week (depending if I include EQ or not) blast once a year.