Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I started a 501c3 - non profit - last year that some people know about around here. I don't really want to give out the details here. I've been lucky enough that it's been really successful so far. I'll never be rich from it, but with NPOs the point is that the company has money, not its employees. I've been lucky I guess and had awesome volunteers and gracious donors so far.
I started a 501c3 - non profit - last year that some people know about around here. I don't really want to give out the details here. I've been lucky enough that it's been really successful so far. I'll never be rich from it, but with NPOs the point is that the company has money, not its employees. I've been lucky I guess and had awesome volunteers and gracious donors so far.
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lartinos
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I am happy that you have found a little bit of success, I am older and further along so it is not fair to compare I guess.
Back to your beliefs... you have the right to keep it to yourself. I have been open with everyone about my beliefs, you can hide. Your choice.
Lol. I wouldn't say my NPO is only a "little bit" successful, but suuuure.
And I'm not hiding my beliefs. You could easily find them on here if you chose to. Hit up any of the religion threads. My beliefs aren't relevant here, though, because my problem was never your beliefs or whether or not they conflict with my own.
They are worn for the same reason, but headscarves are not NEARLY as socially disruptive, which is why I said it was a huge difference. Not at all, actually. A woman in a burqua in the US would elicit stares, outrage, blatant curiosity, etc. In the workplace, that would very likely cause an issue. A headscarf might get a glance here or there, but it will be fleeting.
As for whether or not women like it - not joking at all here: One day i will visit a muslim country for diving....maybe it will be egypt, maybe it will be indonesia. Who knows. When I go, I fully plan to find a beautiful headscarf to wear, something with silk that is delicate and colorful. I will do it 1) to be respectful of local culture and not offend people with my rather stand out long strawberry blonde colored hair (I hate the idea of ever being seen as some crude westerner) and 2) because I think they can look absolutely lovely and I think women wearing them can look demure and beautiful.
Obvi not all headscarves are created equal, but there were a few muslim girls in my HS who wore them (with secular style of dress, except one who wore long skirts) and I always thought they looked mysterious. I'd wonder what their hair looked like and part of me found it sort of fascinating in a culture where the art of leaving something to the imagination has been lost by most, there were these girls that hid some of the most taken for granted aspects of their femininity. It almost made their femininity seem more precious.
My mother always teases me that the source of my power comes from my hair (like a certain bible story) and admittedly it's one of my standout features, and one of the few things I am consistently vain about lol. I guess it appeals to me because I've spent the last year working in a bikini half the time and brushing off boys-will-be-boys comments. I can understand, if I place myself in a much more modest world, the desire to protect women from those sort of encounters.
I dunno. Has nothing to do with the argument at hand...I just went off on a tangent because I really do kinda look forward to wearing one whenever I get around to visiting a conservative muslim country.
i like your spunk and passion, but please don't go to a muslim country anytime soon. maybe dubai but other than that?
and i agree, while in rome of course behave like a roman...that's why this issue is such a cvnt to me, how come the same courtesy doesn't apply to being in america? it's racist to want that from visitors that come here it seems.
and would you wrap the scarf around your dive mask? teehee
lol at a little bit of success....
i like your spunk and passion, but please don't go to a muslim country anytime soon. maybe dubai but
and i agree, while in rome of course behave like a roman...that's why this issue is such a cvnt to me, how come the same courtesy doesn't apply to being in america? it's racist to want that from visitors that come here it seems.
and would you wrap the scarf around your dive mask? teehee
lol well of dive spots....egypt was the top. Obviously I won't go there for a long time now....not till it's really settled down.
I guess my standpoint of the flipside argument is that I don't see why culturally we should find headscarves offensive. They are different, but nothing in the core of how we are raised should see them and be like, "How rude." lol. We're a melting pot, we should be more accepting of differences.
lol at the headscarf around the dive mask....naw, that would be reserved for my mainland activities. On the dive boat they would have to deal with my bikini'd out self.
graduated in three years, successfull non-profit teehee, knowledgeable of exotic regligions and cultures that silly americans jusst cannot grasp (my interpretation)...look at me?
dicuss?
I don't think so, personally. I think she's the bees knees. Nothing wrong with getting attention for having substance and being interesting and able to carry on conversation IMO.
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lartinos
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Success is measured differently by individuals. Not making money on a venture is not how I direct my life, nor do I believe in bullshit religions and help perpetuate them. Well, it was nice having our one on one Afeedz as I got to know you better... a little bit atleast.
and their should be nothing offensive about a woman showing her hair, but their is.
i'd be more accepting of muslim traditions if the same respect was displayed to our western trads...in my small blue collar mind it appears that we have to accept their trads while they can ignore ours.
Jesus christ. That's a really fucking hard question to answer. I'd be lost without being able to dive, I'd feel ugly without my hair. FORCED to choose, I'd dive....because I could dive when I felt miserable about being bald and it would take me away from it for a little lol.
I don't know. I'm not sure why I empathize more with the difficulty getting past what seems to be gross lack of modesty than I do the difficulty accepting overt modesty, but I do.
I understand where you are coming from. That's sort of what I was getting at with the tired old argument about the US being a melting pot. There's far more diversity here, culturally, so I expect more of americans as far as tolerance than I do places that have far less exposure to other ideas and other ways of doing stuff. Not saying it's how it should be....just the way things are, and I know that stuff doesn't change overnight if at all.
i was a big fan of the melting pot philosphy, made our country great.
but it is getting old when it appears we are the only melting pot in the world and must accept everything or else we are racist white people, while apparently the remainder of the world is allowed to keep their ethnic and culture traditions.
I'm with you there but...
We don't really have a very defined culture, IMO. Other than fast food, capitalism, and an expectation of instant gratification lol. Not totally knocking the US, plenty that makes our country great. But no universal cultural distinction because of the vast diversity of groups that have immigrated over the years. Even a lot of regional culture is borrowed...irish in boston, creole in LA...One can go from one part of the country to another and get culture shock. I remember one time we hosted the Olympics (maybe atl?), I honestly had no idea what we would do during the opening ceremonies to showcase our country. They went the native american route lololol.
Lol. I'm not an attention whore and I didn't just say that stuff for no reason hoping someone here would think I'm awesome...or whatever.
I brought up when I graduated because Lartinos said he thought I was still in college. I included how long it took bc otherwise, by my age, the timeline doesn't make sense.
I brought up my nonprofit because zwhit asked about my business.
And I know about religions because one of my majors was religion. I don't think understanding them is outside your or anybody else's grasp, though, and never said it was. I just think I've studied it and some people haven't (formally or informally, doesn't matter), though I'm sure they're more than capable.
I'm no Lib! I'm serious. Tell these fuckers to stop complaining. Go work somewhere that allows and embraces your fucking head dress. Too fucking bad if AF fired you for not taking it off. It's a private company, free to do what they want. We bow down too much around this country to every little fucking nuance of every little fucking religion. Jeebus fucking christ. religion is such a joke. imagine how easy the world would be without it.
ETA: And I have had several friends who are Muslim who wear headscarves (so yes, my use of "fucking towelheads" was sarcastic) and I love them like any other friend. But I don't agree with making special accomodations for people based on religion.
just cause I redded you because I "disagree" that's why red is there for, doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion. Disagree does not mean disrespect.
soooo...they should also fire pregrnant women for complaining of back pain right? certain things are accomodated for and others aren't?
Strongbow
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I believe you Traz, you're a good bro
huh? what does complaining about back pain (pregnant or not), or a paper cut, or wrist pain from using a computer all day, or anything else job related have to do with religion? i dont think people should complain at all really. the job is what it is, the rules exist, deal with it. if you dont like it, work someplace else. that's been my philosphy in the workplace for a long time.
i just happen to believe we shouldnt make special accomodations/rules for relgious purposes in the workplace. just my opinion though. i still love ya traz!
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lartinos
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lol
it's gonna get pretty hot in florida wearing a darth vadar costume while holding a steamy turd...
my point is people make accomidations for everything..it's the way of the world. My whole argument from the very start is not whether it's right or wrong, it's whether it's with or against the law to do that.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a proud muslim. I just don't follow the rules. It's wrong, I know...I should follow my religion better...maybe some day.
Strongbow
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Don't sweat it bro, I hear Muslim hell is next door to Christian hell, we will meet up for some arm wrestling and shit when we pass on.
negative, it is the way of America and western euroland, apparently other nations don't have to be so loving and accomdating.
billfred
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ha.. that did make me laugh
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A. EEOC laws don't apply to your new religion. According to their site, it only applies to the major organized religions listed, not pretend VaderShit-ianity.
B. The girl didn't wear "whatever the fuck she wanted". She was in dress code from the neck down and was told the hijab was ok when she was hired. Lol @ saying that's "whatever the fuck she wanted". Try again.
Am I going to be in trouble for not hiring all the dudes I interviewed with dreads and pants hanging off their ass?Jesus had long hair and didn't wear pants they said
This is not a serious post AFeedz
no, but you're gonna get in some shit for telling them they could have the job if they sucked your dick.
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lartinos
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All religions are pretend silly. The only difference between a cult and a religion is that one is accepted by society. Bullshit is bullshit.
Thanks for posting this. I'll learn from your mistakes
don't try and twist my words around like you did to those lil boys in your office with the lights off.
didn't twist...sounded like you knew from experience
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lartinos
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Yup. Including everything you just said.
Explain.. I say something like religion which is not based on fact as being bullshit(religion). I am more than entitled to my opinion, especially one that is based on logic and reason. You are tentative to even express your own views. This conversation is one sided as I give my views while you are afraid to express yours on religion. You feel the need to keep them to yourself. That is telling..
how do you know it isn't based on facts? You never say anything in your posts other than "bullshit".
You can't sit there and say your opinion is based on logic when the only thing you can say is "bullshit"
You're correct in it being one sided though, becuase all you say is "bullshit"
It's pretty telling that you have no idea what you're talking about and are afraid to say anything more than "bullshit" because you don't know enough to make a credible arguement.
Yeah nugga!
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I'm not competing. I just think it's funny when someone calls things they know nothing about bullshit.
Smurfy doesn't believe in a god either and I've never call her out because I have no reason. When she made her Christianity/Homosexuality thread, she bothered to discuss that information at hand, no matter whether she disagrees with it. She didn't just go around calling bullshit with no knowledge or discussion of the subject. That's when I respect someone's opinion.
Lartinos is the boy who cried bullshit.
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lartinos
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You believe in God. Enough said.
Once again you have nothing to add.
But you're winning...
Lol @ your opinion being based on logic and reason. That's the thing. You think just because you're an atheist, that you are automatically on a side based on logic and reason...but that's my entire problem with you in this thread: you haven't made one logical or reasonable statement. All we've got from you so far is "religion is bullshit" and "yarmelkes are bullshit".
And lol #2 @ me being afraid to express my views on religion. My views on religion are all over almost every religious thread in C&C since I've been around, so I suppose you can throw whatever you thought that said about me in the Bullshit Bin you throw everything else you know nothing about in.
It's more telling that you want to turn something that has nothing to do with our religious views into a discussion of them. That's not what this is which, as I've said before, is the reason I haven't commented on my own in this thread.
& btw, I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion.
Strongbow
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God told me he had to take a whole bottle of Adderlline to get stimulated.
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lartinos
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God told me to tell you to spell it Adderllin.
lol
God told me to tell you to stop ripping off drug names...
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lartinos
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Well... it has been yet another good religion thread and it will continue forever because I think churchies feel insecure about their beliefs. This is my opinion, I am not expecting the churchies to agree with me. I still like the churchies, I just don't believe in magic or BULLSHIT like that. I'll check back later when I need some more entertainment.
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lartinos
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lol, my next supplement is not named after a drug. Thanks for the plug though guys, ttyl.
[email protected] pretending you're some successful "supplement formulator"
You're so fuckin broke you can't even afford to pay the EF advertising dues so you have to let needto sell your shit for you. You should worship the ground he walks on cuz if it wasn't for him you'd still be folding t-shirts and telling bitches to take off their hibjabs
You're so fuckin broke you can't even afford to pay the EF advertising dues so you have to let needto sell your shit for you. You should worship the ground he walks on cuz if it wasn't for him you'd still be folding t-shirts and telling bitches to take off their hibjabs
Lololol especially At "churchies" being insecure in their beliefs when, if I'm the referenced churchie at least, I've backed up more of my thoughts on religion than he ever has. I must be really insecure about having more than one word to say regarding my beliefs or lack thereof.
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Lololol especially At "churchies" being insecure in their beliefs when, if I'm the referenced churchie at least, I've backed up more of my thoughts on religion than he ever has. I must be really insecure about having more than one word to say regarding my beliefs or lack thereof.
I'm biting my tounge here...but lart doesn't have to back up anything, it is you that has to.
the onerous is on you to justify believing in a sky monster.
i;m surprized someone so successful and smart just can't comprehend this...
If he's the one stirring the pot and initiating the conversation, he should have more to offer than "bullshit." has nothing to do with who is right or who is wrong....if one person is calling out another person for any reason, they should be able to back it up.
lol that's just lazy imo. The question of whether or not there is a God is an important one. The atheist is believing a veiw for which there is and can be no evidence. LOL I wish I could just say that
lol that's just lazy imo. The question of whether or not there is a God is an important one. The atheist is believing a veiw for which there is and can be no evidence. LOL I wish I could say that and get by with no thinking at all
not a whole lot of evidence, scientific or otherwise, about a immortal creature who has no start or end, no parents, no physical being, and does not have to abide by any universal scientific facts...all you have is faith
Lart does have to, because like I said, this discussion had nothing to do with the existence of God hence why I kept not responding to his request for my religious views.
And "I don't have to back up my words because I'm not the one who believes in a god" is such a pussy cop out and beyond that, doesn't make sense here because that's not what's being discussed.
I've discussed religious matters with Smurfy, ceo and java (atheists) and atheists have been debating secular people for a long while. Atheists are fully capable of backing up what they have to say, stop acting like you don't have to.
I don't respect anybody's opinion who has nothing to say about a matter besides it's bullshit, especially when they can't tell me anything about the thing it is they're arguing for or against.
History is littered with the burnt bodies of those who were bold/logical enough to argue against est religion.
only in recent times has it become acceptable.
honestly i lean more agnostic than atheist, and i really only entered this fray out of boredom and to give lart a assist.
jackangel
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love you and all, but please stop using this word. the word you're looking for is "onus."
whatever shit this thread is about, it's not about justifying religious beliefs. lart might disagree, but hey! look a bird...
Who says God/s have to be all of those things? There are plenty of arguments on the existance of God that are reasonable and logical. I'm confident of the existance of God even as much as the atheist is confident that it/he/whatever does not exist. The implications of atheism are bleak. Lartinos is proud that his life is filled with only the superficial and material. That's fine if that's what he wants, but why disrespect people who need meaning in their lives?
Meh, i think you are wrong bro
involving, imposing, or constituting a burden : troublesome <an onerous task>
Ohhh, woe are past atheists...lol
Probably not as many bodies as litter history for believing in a certain god. Just sayin'.
regardless, the root of a lotta death has been god.
jackangel
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why would you argue with me? absurd.
onerous is an adjective, onus is a noun. the phrase "the onerous is on you" does not compute. it's "the onus is on you." trust me.
i'm not saying the words aren't related, but they're still different words, mon ami.
yea i fuct up the spelling i guess, adding a 'ness makes it a noun but probably onus woulda been better.
it took me five years to graduate so forgive my retardation, i'm not that smarte
no, the root of a lotta death has been human beings. Religion really is a terrible thing.
+1
There's a reason why I don't reply to his posts (at least the ones he made in this thread)
Some people just want to argue.
maybe you just have a small monitor
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