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mrplunkey
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I guess that's what they call being right these days.
Probably the most ironic thing Ive read on here since plunkey accused DB of grasping at straws to support a political argument.
What protections are you talking about that I don't understand? Because I also quoted earlier that the EEOC laws and guidelines do, in fact, apply to private companies. You haven't told me yet about these protections afforded private companies against the rules that, as stated, apply to them.
Ooo a subject change. Cool.
Tell me where I argued that Abercrombie wasn't allowed to have a dress code, please? I believe I've only argued it illegal for them to fire someone over a religious clothing item. I've never argued they don't have the right to have a dress code.
FYI Mitch Im calling the head of this car dealership this morning to try and steal some of his money.
Just made me think of you.
I want my cut, fax it to me.
I bet you would, pry cuz I look better in a suit.
mrplunkey
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I'm not so sure about that. 75th can really rock the Mao suit.
lol
kx250rider
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Too irritated to comment on this without being out-of-line.
Charles
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o'rly?
do it
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lartinos
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I want a Mao suit.
I think you mistook what I said. I am arguing based on intentions. I believe their intension was to fire her because of her relisious beliefs, whcih they did. You are arguing that it's because of image. Two different things.
Define irony.
You are entitled to your opinion. You may not respect mine, but I respect everyone's opinion, even if I may not agree with it.
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lartinos
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It obviously isn't important. All these religions are archaic POS with BS customs from a billion years ago. It is like asking why Santa Claus wears a red suit. I understand what you're saying though. I am sure google or traz can answer this.
The way I see it, Abercrombie had a great opportunity to show some kind of heart, vision and value system. Too bad, they failed.
Do they really think their little precious corner of the mall will stay white? Newsflash: the world is changing, and no matter how long and how loud they try to justify their racism, they come out looking like assholes.
You can try to couch it in terms of a "look", but the truth is that they are afraid, they are prejudiced, and they are showing just how limited and gauche their mindset is.
This kind of thinking isn't acceptable anymore.
Do they really think their little precious corner of the mall will stay white? Newsflash: the world is changing, and no matter how long and how loud they try to justify their racism, they come out looking like assholes.
You can try to couch it in terms of a "look", but the truth is that they are afraid, they are prejudiced, and they are showing just how limited and gauche their mindset is.
This kind of thinking isn't acceptable anymore.
Lol @ saying something isn't important because it isn't important to you.
Here is an example of someone who wasn't afraid to challenge the status quo:
Baltej Singh Dhillon
Occupation:
RCMP sergeant
Country of Origin:
India
City:
Surrey, British Columbia
“We still have a lot of work to do in the building of this country. Being of strong character, having confidence in your abilities and anchoring them in the legacy of your lineage are prerequisites for those who want to contribute.”
If the name Baltej Singh Dhillon rings a bell, you will probably remember the controversy that erupted when he asked to be allowed to wear his turban on duty as an RCMP officer. He was told to choose. Dhillon’s ensuing fight to practise his religious freedom as a Sikh, while serving the longstanding Canadian institution, led him on a journey he never could have anticipated when he first emigrated from Malaysia after his father passed away.
He started life in Canada humbly, picking berries on local farms. But he says this experience taught him that there was nothing that he and his family could not overcome. It was this same fortitude that saw him win the right to wear his turban and serve Canadians as a police officer. While the sergeant from Surrey, B.C., never intended to become an icon for multiculturalism, he says he has endeavoured to use this attention to inspire others in pursuing their dreams and not compromising their personal commitments.
“He came out victorious in his struggle to wear his turban as an RCMP officer, and today he proudly wears it while serving and protecting Canadians.” — Sarbjeet Sarai, CORSA
Baltej Singh Dhillon
Occupation:
RCMP sergeant
Country of Origin:
India
City:
Surrey, British Columbia
“We still have a lot of work to do in the building of this country. Being of strong character, having confidence in your abilities and anchoring them in the legacy of your lineage are prerequisites for those who want to contribute.”
If the name Baltej Singh Dhillon rings a bell, you will probably remember the controversy that erupted when he asked to be allowed to wear his turban on duty as an RCMP officer. He was told to choose. Dhillon’s ensuing fight to practise his religious freedom as a Sikh, while serving the longstanding Canadian institution, led him on a journey he never could have anticipated when he first emigrated from Malaysia after his father passed away.
He started life in Canada humbly, picking berries on local farms. But he says this experience taught him that there was nothing that he and his family could not overcome. It was this same fortitude that saw him win the right to wear his turban and serve Canadians as a police officer. While the sergeant from Surrey, B.C., never intended to become an icon for multiculturalism, he says he has endeavoured to use this attention to inspire others in pursuing their dreams and not compromising their personal commitments.
“He came out victorious in his struggle to wear his turban as an RCMP officer, and today he proudly wears it while serving and protecting Canadians.” — Sarbjeet Sarai, CORSA
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lartinos
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Sorry but you are off base here out of ignorance. I have spoken to one of their regional HR people about these issues.(a black guy) They do not discriminate based on race or religion... atleast not in a public way. They are the first to admit that they were at one time too stuck to the white boy image and have now diversified themselves. The chairman himself has also been quoted as saying that the company needed to change anyway because they are now an international brand with stores in different countries.
relaxed religious muslim women don't wear them but I think it's a sin for a woman not to wear one. I believe the husband may require the wife to wear one outside the house. It would be very difficult to pursude a woman to take hers off to keep her retail job since they consider it an obligation.
why is it a sin?
So why tell her to remove her hijab then? It's pure discrimination, based on her religion.
idk
I don't think its required by the husband only, but he might be responsible for her sin if she does not wear one. I'm not sure though...
Just to clarify, Cindy, in most cases men don't require women to wear hijabs, women choose to wear them (though yes, there obviously are situations in which it is forced).
Modesty is an Islamic virtue, and it is said that if one is not modest, then they also are not Muslim. So most Muslim women wear hijabs of their own free will in order to show their devotion to God and His will. That's why it's important to conservative Muslim women: they believe they are not Muslim without it.
The Qur'an tells them to wear one in the presence of all men who are not fathers, brothers or spouses.
Modesty is an Islamic virtue, and it is said that if one is not modest, then they also are not Muslim. So most Muslim women wear hijabs of their own free will in order to show their devotion to God and His will. That's why it's important to conservative Muslim women: they believe they are not Muslim without it.
The Qur'an tells them to wear one in the presence of all men who are not fathers, brothers or spouses.
how come some muslims half ass it and don't cover the face?
It's not half-assing. In all organized religion, there are followers who are more conservative and traditional in their beliefs and some who are not. It's like the difference between Orthodox/Haredi/Conservative/Reformed Jews.
oh, it's half assing it for sure.
If they're not gonna cover their face then it's like a friggin scarf.
Scarfs aren't modest
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lartinos
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According to the story she is accusing low level managers that work at the store level of telling her to take it off. If she is correct this happened only because of a lack of management training and inefficiency in highering practices. The fact is is that abercrombie managers have a large workload and many hours of work and managing in a week. The monkey wrench is that the people that are to manage there are expected to also be young and goodlooking, especially if at one of their nicer and higher volume stores.
I learned a great deal by working at one of their top tier stores about business as well as working with some really beautiful girls.
So to re-cap what I said is that these managers were young and inexperienced or just decided to take the power of the brand into their own hands if this muslim woman is correct. Abercrombie is huge about having uniformity between their stores and higher level people in the company would have advised against handling the situation like this. The pay sucks so badly there as a manager too (and as a brand rep/model) that many people simply don't give a shit and are about to quit anyway. So they will say whatever the fuck they want because they are on the verge of leaving anyway.
Men are not responsible for the sins of his wife and vice versa. The hijab and other Muslim garments are actually meant more to keep men from sinning by engaging in lustful thoughts or actions than anything else. They are worn actually to give women and men a more even playing field so men aren't focused on a women's curves or other feminine qualities and instead listens to what she says and gets to know her in more ways than physically.
That's the reason some men require them. To keep him from sinning, not to keep his wife from sinning.
that's pretty friggin' stupid.
Everyone knows there is nothing more to a woman other than the phsyical shit.
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lartinos
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That's fucking retarded, lol. Good looking guys should wear them too than.
The Qur'an does not require one to cover her face.
I see you added some after I quoted you...
That doesn't make sense...You said earliar that
"The Qur'an tells them to wear one in the presence of all men who are not fathers, brothers or spouses."
Why would the husband require his wife to wear one to keep from sinning if she isn't required to wear one in his presence?
But the husband requiring one is not the norm, so I can't say why Cindy's friend was required by her husband to do so considering she isn't religiously obligated to wear one for him. More likely is that he requires her to wear one so that other men do not sin by thinking/acting lustfully towards his wife.
Hijabs cover the head and neck. They are traditionally paired with long sleeved, floor length, shapeless garments that cover and hide the female form in it's entirety.
I can't say why the top of one's head is important to cover. It's similar to conservative Jews wearing yarmelkes and other head coverings in temple.
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lartinos
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It's a way to control women
because AF doesn't want a ninja scaring off their customers.
lol...they are not required to wear these kinds of hijabs, unless you are hizbolla...no ninjas here.
Just some kind of hijab. most husbands give their eives choice, as I did mine.
Actually it's a way to control men.
And it would make no sense that it were to control women considering for the majority, wearing a hijab is a choice.
It's actually the husband's obligation to encourage his wife to wear it as well...
mrplunkey
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The joooose started this whole head-covering thing.
And yes, most women wear them by choice. It's not a huge male hang-up. It's meant to be a sign of a woman's modesty and a sign of respect for her husband. You wear them anytime you'd be around someone you couldn't marry.
they are no longer looked at as objects of desire and they dont get to flaunt their hair, etc...the reason is not to keep her modest though.
Right. It's his job to encourage, not to require.
dude my wife doesnt cover her hair.
generally, she would look less desirable....which would mean men would look at her less...they would look at women with less clothing,etc..
no she doesn't. She asked me when we got married if I'd like her to wear one. I told her, whatever you want, it's your choice.
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lartinos
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Good question
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lartinos
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lol, you actually believe that!
Yes, because I'm not as ignorant as yourself enough to feed in to anti-Muslim propaganda when I know otherwise.
But anyways...
But didn't you say it's your obligation to encourage her to wear one...
Yes it is. It's also my obligation to pray 5 times a day. I don't do either.
no you don't
No I don't what?
dude. you are mistaken. I'm muslim and I have a lot of muslim friends. It all depends on how you're raised and whether or not you are open minded. I dont force the hijab on my sister or mom or wife and non of the women in my family wear it either. Wouldnt mind of they did...wouldnt mind either way.
don't argue with me
According to Islam, all prophets, not just Mohamed, jesus, Moses, etc...are not to be represented in any form physically, i.e. statues, pictures, etc...
Are you asking me if I would burn down their house of threaten them or w/e if an artist did that? no, offcourse not. I have strong faith in my religion, but I'm not going to hurt another human being because they dont share my views.
You tried to ban me when I had it as my avatar...and that hurt.
I never tried banning you. I shared my opinion, strongly. I was very offended because you were on my mod team and I expected you to respect my opinions and feelings.
Plus banning / fighting on forums is one thing...fighting or hurting people IRL is quite another.
take me where, like to the mall, shopping?
He must've not taken his medication today.
FYI, The movie was made right after a tournament called "Over the Top" which included somne of the best in the world, including John Brznk and Allen Fisher, who actually showed Sly how to top-roll (the actual move of over the top)
It's pretty sweet.
I dont really look good in hats.
Good thing I make up for that by looking superior than miplank in suits.
asians usually don't look good in hats...
and that is total bullshit! I'm fresh to deff...
That makes sense. I don't know his motivations for asking that she wear it. I guess by required I should have said he suggested it strongly as something she should do. IDR really...
I dont really look good in hats.
Good thing I make up for that by looking superior than miplank in suits.
Did you end up buying that fugly suit?
Cindy, do you have ADD?
Negatory. Went with a pinstripe charcoal with white hand stitching and a nice silver lining. Peak lapels with a double breasted vest.
pwnage.
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lartinos
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I agree with you that it is personal choice for some.
But all these religions are archaic and they cause more trouble then good. Having ten wives and they all they all need to wear their hoodies, lol. The equality in this culture is fuct. I am sure my ancestors were fucked up a thousand years ago or whatever, doesn't mean I am going to partake in stuff they did during the dark ages.
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