Muslim Woman sues Abercrombie

[nefertiti]

The fact that it's religiously-related is irrelevant.

What if my religion believes that women should be 100% subservient to men? Does that mean that as a store salesperson that I get to tell female customers what to purchase?

What if I want to carry one of these religious knives?

Or maybe I like dressing like this:

A expectation of dress is exactly that. Freedom of religion means freedom to practice your own, but should equally mean that others shouldn't have to pay you for practicing yours.

If you tell them all that, and they say yes, I still blame them, not you. The lie that it's ok comes from them.

Here, let me put it in a puds-like woman hater language.

If a girl meets a guy who is an unapologetic asshole....and she dates him either a) thinking she will be ok with it or b) thinking she can change him....when things go foul because he's an unapologetic asshole who doesn't want to change, do you blame the guy for not conforming to being a good boyfriend, which he never promised to be, or do you blame the girl for knowing what she was getting and banking on his possible willingness to change and be the guy she wants him to be?

This has nothing to do with religion for me. You simply don't hire someone who can't do the job, even for PR. Hiring her and then trying to change her is more stereotypical woman behavior than her being hired on an honest plane where her dress was known ahead of time, and her taking issue with it suddenly being a problem.

 

[canadianhitman]

If you tell them all that, and they say yes, I still blame them, not you. The lie that it's ok comes from them.

Here, let me put it in a puds-like woman hater language.

If a girl meets a guy who is an unapologetic asshole....and she dates him either a) thinking she will be ok with it or b) thinking she can change him....when things go foul because he's an unapologetic asshole, do you blame the guy for not conforming to being a good boyfriend, which he never promised to be, or do you blame the girl for knowing what she was getting and banking on his possible willingness to change and be the guy she wants him to be?

This has nothing to do with religion for me. You simply don't hire someone who can't do the job, even for PR. Hiring her and then trying to change her is more stereotypical woman behavior than her being hired on an honest plane where her dress was known ahead of time, and her taking issue with it suddenly being a problem.

I love the way you explained that...good job!

 

[canadianhitman]

I still think there's a 'loophole' that works better from an HR standpoint though Nef...see my previous post.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Here, let me put it in a puds-like woman hater language.

wtf!

 

[nefertiti]

I love the way you explained that...good job!

lol I'm just trying to speak puds here....Not sure if you are being sarcastic haha. I think the analogy fits, though!

 

[nefertiti]

I still think there's a 'loophole' that works better from an HR standpoint though Nef...see my previous post.

I considered that...if they approach it from an altered policy, then her complaints have no grounds. It would be hard to prove if that were the case, but it would negate all my points if that is why it unfolded as it did.

 

[puddlemonkey]

If you tell them all that, and they say yes, I still blame them, not you. The lie that it's ok comes from them.

Here, let me put it in a puds-like woman hater language.

If a girl meets a guy who is an unapologetic asshole....and she dates him either a) thinking she will be ok with it or b) thinking she can change him....when things go foul because he's an unapologetic asshole, do you blame the guy for not conforming to being a good boyfriend, which he never promised to be, or do you blame the girl for knowing what she was getting and banking on his possible willingness to change and be the guy she wants him to be?

This has nothing to do with religion for me. You simply don't hire someone who can't do the job, even for PR. Hiring her and then trying to change her is more stereotypical woman behavior than her being hired on an honest plane where her dress was known ahead of time, and her taking issue with it suddenly being a problem.

What I didn't like about your original post is you made it sound like once a company puts a policy in place it can never change. Companies change their policies all the time, and rightfully so. I'm not saying this is the case with A&F as I do not have all the facts, and I know better than to listen to a media outlet with an agenda. Nonetheless, I stick by what I said before, practice your religion on your own time.

 

[puddlemonkey]

goddammit, I went to the bathroom in the middle of my post and didn't see your last comment.




but I agree with you, you're wrong.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

i still say take ur fuckin hat off, i should make up my own religion called Gladianity, and say that the only attire I can wear is "baller attire"

 

[nefertiti]

What I didn't like about your original post is you made it sound like once a company puts a policy in place it can never change. Companies change their policies all the time, and rightfully so. I'm not saying this is the case with A&F as I do not have all the facts, and I know better than to listen to a media outlet with an agenda. Nonetheless, I stick by what I said before, practice your religion on your own time.

If policy changed, then that's that. Her agument would be invalid. All of my points relate to the hypothetical case currently presented. Maybe not the original post, but I made that clear later.

Your comment about practicing religion on own time shows ignorance to the muslim faith, however. I'm supportive of this 27/7 public act of faith (honestly, 99% of the time a head scarf isn't going to be doing anyone an inconvenience), as well as supportive of the fact that it may lead them to have to make sacrifices in work to maintain it. It doesn't suit all jobs. If they couldn't get ANY jobs with a head scarf, I'd wonder (I had a few in my school with them and long dress and they all actually looked quite pretty in the whole gettup, and all were smart, capable honors students).

I'm sure there are plenty of jobs that aren't going to care what's on your head if it's conservative....that abercombie should have just known better.