Your choice of topical prohormones

[growin']

OK, here's whre I'm at: I have used androstenedione in the past and it sucked. I have been using juice for the last year. When I get married in October, I promised to stop the sauce. Guess that means back to prohormones. Looks like topical is the most efficient and useful method. So what brands have at least a little worth? Biotest, Ergopharm? Par Deus, I'm sure you'll vouch for Avant Labs. Anyone else?

 

[RealDeal]

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Yeah, Par Deus will vouch for Avant Labs, but he's quite tactful in doing so. He's also stated that ErgoPharm's AndroSpray is pretty good quality too, though I like the idea of the gel form by Avant Labs. Just wonder how far 1 bottle is gonna go using it on 50% of your body twice/day.

I'll probably give 'em a go after I start & complete my upcoming cycle of Norabol & Andro Infusion w/some cyclo-diol intranasal thrown in pre-workout. Even though there's total mixed reviews of PH on here, I've already purchased the stuff so we'll see what the results are. It's bound to push my opinions fully one way or the other.

 

[growin']

I was thinking a combination of topical (for extended release) and intranasal (for a quick boost) would be the way to go.

 

[Suspension]

prohormones...

eheh....

 

[growin']

Yeah I know, i know. Hey we all have to grow up sometime

 

[RealDeal]

Bro, people are gonna knock 'em as long as they exist or someone tries 'em and has some good results.

There are definately guys on here who will swear they've had nice results with PH and other guys who say they don't do shit. It's all depending on their individual experience, so take it with a grain of salt.

They sure as hell don't stand up to AS, but what the F do you expect? I say give 'em a shot and see what kinda results you get. If you're really looking for potential, I think you need an ambitious cycle. Maybe combine the transdermal with a choice of oral and use the intranasal for the quick boost.

 

[growin']

Yeah, I was thinking 800mg topical 4-AD + 800mg N4AD every day, plus a couple hundred mg of 4AD intranasally right before workout.

 

[RealDeal]

A couple hundred mg's intranasally? Don't think that's possible bro. Maybe 10-15mg. Look at Ergopharm's oral cyclos, you're only getting about that much from them. To get a couple hundred mg's you'd be sniffing up a couple of caps, and that'd F you up!

I think around 10+ mg intranasally prior to a workout would do ya.

 

[growin']

Woops, that's what I meant. Although a couple hundred....hmm.......

 

[Par Deus]

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Yeah, Par Deus will vouch for Avant Labs, but he's quite tactful in doing so. He's also stated that ErgoPharm's AndroSpray is pretty good quality too, though I like the idea of the gel form by Avant Labs. Just wonder how far 1 bottle is gonna go using it on 50% of your body twice/day.

It is a thin gel, so you can spread it about as thinly as a liquid. An 8oz bottle gives you 36 applications at the highest dosage (going higher will not help gains). So, it lasts 18 days vs. 12 days for the other two products at the dosage that reaches the ceiling in positive effects (I actually think you can make AndroSpray last a bit longer for the same effects, but I am referring to the manufacturers instructions in this instance).

 

[growin']

I read your article on Avant Labs site Par Deus, very interesting indeed. Hard to read at work, cause I have to keep flipping screens to avoid getting caught HEHE Your product seems very good, but places like DPS offer Andro Spray much cheaper, which makes the decision to go with Avant Labs much harder.

 

[Par Deus]

I read your article on Avant Labs site Par Deus, very interesting indeed. Hard to read at work, cause I have to keep flipping screens to avoid getting caught HEHE Your product seems very good, but places like DPS offer Andro Spray much cheaper, which makes the decision to go with Avant Labs much harder.

We have to keep our advertised retail price up or our retailers would get mad. Hopefully, more and more people will pick it up and offer it at a lower price. I think about $44.99 would be ideal (and I would be more than happy to sell it for that , because that would make it equal in value to Androsol/Androspray at about $30/bottle, which I don't think anyone has that cheap.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

This stuff is all crap...don't waste your money on their sales pitch bull.

 

[Thatch]

AnabolicDiabetic,

Which one of the transdermals did you use and how much did you use, because Avant Labs and ErgoPharms both worked very well for me and several of my clients at doses of 500-1000mg per day.

 

[b007]

Ergopharms AndroSpray + 1-AD

*will* give measurable results...

 

[koen]

I only used biotest and I like(d) it. It worked for me, friends and customers.

 

[oompha-loompha]

I have Fina disolved in my norandrosol

 

[Suspension]

This stuff is all crap...don't waste your money on their sales pitch bull.

Agreed!

 

[growin']

Hey i remember someone REALLY like andro poppers about a year ago Compared to gear, they are total shit. However, I think that some are worthwhile for the "clean" lifter, or someone who had to promise their fianse they'd quit juicing once they were married

 

[enrage]

I had the same skepticism about topical prohormone sprays till I tried Biotest's Androsol. Lets just say i was very impressed for an OTC product. Check out t-mag.com for some info on it.

 

[Sleepy]

I used Ergopharm Noandrospray. I got moderate results from it, ^6 lbs in 3 weeks. Problem with it is that you need to shave the area that you are going to apply to otherwise it gets caught on the hair. also the spry from the Ergopharm products is not fine enough and it is to large a spry. It gets lost in the air and not all on the body.

 

[Rotty]

I have one bottle of Biotest Androsol. I was wondering how much a day I should use and where to use it for the best results. I also have a bottle of Pinnacle andro cyclo poppers. Are they any good or should I just toss that. I am planning on buying some 1-ad because I have been hearing a lot of good things about it. I would appreciate any feedback.

 

[enrage]

if your going to use the product for a 2 week cycle, then you will use 70 sprays in the morning and 70 sprays in the evening(after a shower). Make sure you spray the androsol evenly, if you don't a white film will appear on your skin. My advice on the poppers, sell them to some fool in the gym and make some of your money back.

here's a little part of an article written on 1-Ad, ( i also read that you have a greater chance of losing your hair on 1 AD)

"1-AD also seems to have an odd side effect in something like 30% of users. It seems to cause a "burning sensation" in the urethral area upon micturation. Translation: It makes Mr. Johnson sting when you piss. To quote the venerable Frank Zappa, "Why does it hurt when I pee?" Well, if you’re taking 1-AD you know why! Only I don’t know the mechanism involved; I can’t see why 1-AD would do this and I’m inclined to think there’s some contaminant in the product that’s causing "

http://www.testosterone.net/articles/1641ad2.html

 

[b007]

Burning sensation while urinating

was reported with the original dione version. It has since been reformulated and is now a diol. That burning side effect is gone with the new version...

 

[Par Deus]

"1-AD also seems to have an odd side effect in something like 30% of users. It seems to cause a "burning sensation" in the urethral area upon micturation. Translation: It makes Mr. Johnson sting when you piss. To quote the venerable Frank Zappa, "Why does it hurt when I pee?" Well, if you’re taking 1-AD you know why! Only I don’t know the mechanism involved; I can’t see why 1-AD would do this and I’m inclined to think there’s some contaminant in the product that’s causing "

http://www.testosterone.net/articles/1641ad2.html

Keep in mind this was written by a competitor of ErgoPharm. That last statement is particulary bad because 1-ADione intrinsically has those burning properties and Bruce/Brock should have known that -- PA had stated it publicly on several occassions.

And, as the other poster stated, this is not an issue with the newm "diol" version of 1-AD.