thanks flex2win, i think i will pass on it and wait for more info. Neo22: i have no incentive for making up stories, i came on here looking for help. not critisizm of my situation. thats all i have to work with so i came to you guys for suggestions. and sure i have found plenty of different places "international". the problem is that everyday they add few more to the scammer lists. an estimated 92% of online european pharmacies are fakes. i was going to buy from pharma-europe, pharma-mex, pharmagroup etc. etc. etc....all were scammers. one of them, pharmagroup i heard was hit or miss so i could get lucky, maybe. so should i just start placing orders untill i find one that is legit. i dont really have enough money after food, supplements, and bills to piss it away on fakes. and after talking tou you guys, i will definently stay away from an oral for my first cycle. thanks.