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WSB weight gain

Twitched

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I'm looking to put on some weight during my first WSB cycle this summer.

Is WSB methods particularly good or poor in adding weight during a caloric excess? (4,500 calories @ 187lbs)


I don't want to hybridize and ruin the program by adding bodybuilding stuff.
 
i gained a considerable amount of weight doing ws. glad to say that it didn't pack on in the wrong places. i think the extra loads put some thickness on my body. i'm 6'1" and about 215 right now. by years end i'll be much heavier.
 
make sure you get loads of protein.

I gained quite a bit....and funny enough i am acctually losing fat whilst still getting bigger/stronger.

My triceps, hamstrings, sholders forarms Lats and lowerback have seen the best developement, but i am still growing all over.

I am starting to look strong (if there is such a thing)

the max effort work is making me solid...very solid, and i aint complaining
 
I think the size and thickness of all of the Westside lifters speaks to the effectiveness of the Westside program at putting on mass. Nuff said!
 
I weighed in for my first powerlifting meet 10 months ago. I was 215 lbs which was by far the heaviest I had ever been in my life, and was at the end of a pretty hard and heavy bulking cycle. My walking around weight pre-cycle had been 205 or so.

I am as I type this at a walking weight of 225 to 230 and am making attempts to stay light as possible so I can still compete in the 220's. I am leaner now than I was at 205 and my pants are looser in the waist now than they were 20 lbs ago.

And this is not juice weight. This is real honest to goodness muscle that is staying where it is at. I tried bodybuilding type shit for years with poor results. After giving that up and going Westside, I have put on over 20 lbs of lean body mass, my bodyfat has gone down and I am so much stronger and more muscular it is not even funny. My arms are a full inch bigger than they were this time last year.

B.
 
when i started WSB I was 160lbs and worried about maintaining in that weight class ever since I saw how much stronger you get when you put on weight and some size i started gaining weight as of now I am 193lbs my lifts went up tremendously too and I gained some size 4 inches on shoulder width 3 inches on chest 1/4 in on arms(stopped doing biceps completely about 4 months ago) and 3 inches on quads oh and what i'm not proud of 2 inches on waist but it's all good. Bench went from 225 to 280 now. dead from 300 to 425(in march at a meet). Old lifts were back in november.
 
Cubanito, I remember how resistant you were to gaining weight a few months ago. You were afraid you would get fat and your lifting wouldn't be competitive at the higher bodyweight. It's nice to see you kept your mind open and now you see the strength benefits at an increased bodyweight. 200 lb. bodyweight is coming up for you as well as the 300 lb. bench and 500 lb. deadlift. Keep up the good work!
 
Screwball said:
I think the size and thickness of all of the Westside lifters speaks to the effectiveness of the Westside program at putting on mass. Nuff said!

AGREED.
 
i've been doing westside for almost 2 months.. when i started i was 135 lbs and then got up to a slightly leaner 140 lbs, and now im cutting down to 132 so i can compete
 
Thanks for the help... What do you guys think of the 9 week beginner program from "Ask Dave" (or maybe the articles section) on elitefitnesssystems.


I am thinking of doing that this summer, complete with light sled pulls for GPP.


Should I tweak anything on it? I'm still fairly weak so I might gain more rapidly with some tweaks (seeing as I might not need as specialized a routine as an elite lifter).

I'm benching about 230 (but thats shooting up rapidly since I discovered benching while spreadnig your lats and making it a "decline movement" from below nipples, brought it up to 230 from 185 in 4 weeks doing this) deadlifting about 450 and squatting about the same..



Thanks guys! You guys really know your stuff!

twitched
 
Twitched said:
Thanks for the help... What do you guys think of the 9 week beginner program from "Ask Dave" (or maybe the articles section) on elitefitnesssystems.

I am thinking of doing that this summer, complete with light sled pulls for GPP.


I would follow the plan pretty closely. It was set up with the novice in mind. Besides the training is percentage based...so it is customized for your strength levels already. Keep us posted on the progress.
 
ye i know screw it's great I think the 300 bench I will have it by next month as well as the dead. I know i've been PR'n all over the place ever since i gained weight.
 
Thanks guys!

One more question if you have time...

I don't have access to a reverse hyper machine..

I know they are almost mandatory, but I can't afford one right now..

Is there anything I can "substitute" for the time bieng?

Pull throughs maybe?
 
Gaining weight is more a factor of caloric intake than anything else. I've seen guys get respectable gains on just about every training program, as long as their diets were right.

I've personally seen gains from WSB and about 10 other training programs.
 
Pullthroughs will help either way whether or not you have a rev hyper. You might wanna talk to jimmiedean about making a substitute about the rev hyper, i'm pretty sure on one of these threads if you do a search for it he posted how to do it. Either way I don't have a rev hyper and my lifts keep going up. I just get on a regular hyper machine with a 45lb plate and go down then come back up trying to squeeze as much as I can with my legs although I know it's mostly lower back, they stil get taxed a little. Hope that helped some or to get ideas at least.
 
Also for a reverse hyper check out some of b fold's pics on the training forum. He made one with a wood board in a powér rack and a mini band.
 
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Cubanito17 said:
Pullthroughs will help either way whether or not you have a rev hyper. You might wanna talk to jimmiedean about making a substitute about the rev hyper, i'm pretty sure on one of these threads if you do a search for it he posted how to do it. Either way I don't have a rev hyper and my lifts keep going up. I just get on a regular hyper machine with a 45lb plate and go down then come back up trying to squeeze as much as I can with my legs although I know it's mostly lower back, they stil get taxed a little. Hope that helped some or to get ideas at least.

i almost do the same thing. i wrap a dip belt around my chest, strap on the weights i want to use, and then do some hyperextensions... i really feel it.
 
Here is mine. This is a buddy of mine that I train with.

B True
 
bfold...

i am in awe of your ingenuity! want to come out to washington and build some stuff for us in my house :)


weight gain:

i would have to agree that if you take in enough calories on any program you are going to gain weight.

i have started to really form an opinion on the different 'looks' you get when you do bodybuilding vs powerlifting.

no matter what kind of powerlifting routine you do (westside or conventional), you start looking like and walking like a powerlifter. you tend to waddle, your stomach extends out a little (even if it is not fat), and your hips and legs take on a thickness. also, most powerlifters upper backs tend to look dense.

bodybuilders who stay strictly bodybuilding (reps, no heavy squats), etc develop a more sculpted look that is visually appealing. however, they just simply lack the thickness you find in powerlifters.

when i injured myself and couldnt squat or pull heavy for awhile, i dropped a lot of weight and worked on my bench. i looked more pleasing to most people, but i just didnt have the same confidence and thickness. now that i am back at all three lifts, i like this look better. its all a matter of personal preference.

now, one thing that i notice is that a LOT of powerlifters take this appearance difference as an excuse to go eat like pigs. powerlifters get the reputation as being fat because a LOT of them are.

the bottom line is if you are fat, you can't go to a bodybuilding show and do well. if you are fat, you can still do well in powerlifting.

BUT, in my opinion, people could be just as strong if they would keep the crap out of their diets (sugar is probably the worst culprit). it is also my opinion that most powerlifters would look better if they dropped 1 or 2 weight classes lower. i am as strong now at 275 as i was at 308 (and even 320), and if i tried hard, i may make it to 242. I just couldnt do it for this meet. Plus, I think anyone under 250 is light in the ass :)

I appreciate the super-heavy behemoths who move massive weight, but I have a different kind of respect for those that can move lots of weight and still look healthy.

Dave Passanella, Eddie Coan, Steve Goggins, Curtis Leslie, Jerry Obradovic all come to mind here. There are lots more, but I am thinking back to my past.

Train hard!
/irish
 
I agree 100%. There is no reason to look like a slob. Added weight is good i do swell up on occasion, but i go back down. Cause i do believe the bigger you are the stronger you are.

But...say you start out at 242 and bench 600lbs. You bulk up to 280lbs, and now your benching 675. Now work with your weight for a bit then when you go back down to 242 you may not hit 675 (or you may) but i gaurantee you will be 650 ish. Now it is possible to gain strength with out gaining alot of weight , but i just think its done quicker if you go up then down. Alot of people dis agree with this but it is my opinion. And the whole time you should compete at or around 13 to 17% bf. Bulk up is fine go to 20 or so but then go back down to where you started. YOu might lift a little less with less bf but you will probably be better pound for pound.

I may be to harsh here, compete under 20% bf. Most peopel have no problem with this but i see alot of guys that look kinda soft and pudgy that could lose a tad and still lift better and maybe drop a weight class. Of course they probably dont care how they look and thats good.

My opinion. This coming from a powerlifter that shaves and tans! LOL! EZ fella's!
 
powerlifterjay said:
But...say you start out at 242 and bench 600lbs. You bulk up to 280lbs, and now your benching 675. Now work with your weight for a bit then when you go back down to 242 you may not hit 675 (or you may) but i gaurantee you will be 650 ish. Now it is possible to gain strength with out gaining alot of weight , but i just think its done quicker if you go up then down. Alot of people dis agree with this but it is my opinion. And the whole time you should compete at or around 13 to 17% bf. Bulk up is fine go to 20 or so but then go back down to where you started. YOu might lift a little less with less bf but you will probably be better pound for pound.

Completely agree.
 
I will say that since switching to WSB...my entire back side has gotten a lot bigger. Calves, hams, glutes, erectors, traps, rear delts, tric, etc....

B True
 
Under 250 (two fitty) is light in the ass. Ha Ha. I am probably going to be light in the ass for the forseeable future. I am trying to stay within striking distance of 220, and I am hungry round the clock to stay under 230 lbs.

I mentioned something to the wife about going up to a full 242 (remember I am five seven) and she told me no way unless I could figure out where she could buy me 19+ inch neck dress shirts with 34/35 sleeves. Right now I am wearing 18 1/2 necks and they are a bastard to find.

I honestly cannot imagine being over 250. I waddle right now, and clothing is really tough to fit now. By the way, I am the only member of the okie crew under 250. By the end of this year, I will be the only member under 300. How is that for feeling light in the ass? I am about 50 lbs lighter than the next okie crew member, and he is rapidly distancing himself from me. I am also 6 or 7 inches shorter than the next shortest okie.

Oh well, some were meant to be big, and some of us were just meant to be (Derek Zoolander voice) really, really ridiculously good looking.

B.
 
i recall in one of louies vids...


he recommended doing lots of squats and one arm shoulder presses and high volume in general to gain bodywt. actually i think he wrote this in a very old issue of MILO
 
powerlifting USA: I dont recal that in any videos.

do you remember what milo it was?....because i would be very interested to know more.

I dont know if they would prescribe that now though
 
weight gain...

I retired from powerlifting around 92(started around 84) due to a couple of torn pecs, torn quad, and chronic tendonitis in the patella tendon, which I tore about a year and a half ago, my freakin knee cap was up in my groin! But have recently made a comeback, why, i dont know! LOL Any way, from 92 until last year I did BB shows..I did well, I would get onstage around 218-210.....Offseason was 255-265..well, im powerlifting now, im 275, but i have a much different look! Im much thicker, my quads are real thick, and my upperback and traps are freaky...all my old buddies who havent seen me ask stuff like, what the hell are ya on?? Or what are you doing different, your as thick as a brick!!! Im actually leaner too at this weight than i was in the offseason bodybuilding! I go sometimes to watch shows, and the old guys that I competed against ask what im going to hit, I will kick ass. If I had to bb again, I would just keep up the pwerlifting, up the cardio, and accordingly adjust my diet! I use the ws methods, and definetly grew! And remained hard!
 
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