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absolute hardgainer
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Think about it first, consider the consequences.
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Would you want to live forever?
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booger
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You'll change your mind once you get old. Humans aren't made to last. If we were they'd be made out of kevlar, stainless steel, advanced composites, and the nervous system would be hard wired with a chip to control it. Instead we are biodegradable units. In the eyes of nature species are important, not the individual units that comprise it. Even the species are terminal. If we aren't destroyed by our short or long term actions, or some other force such as a meteor hitting earth, the sun will nova in a couple of billion years and we'll all be fried anyway. And I doubt that we'll end up getting on any spacecraft and heading out into space to inhabit another planet in another solar system. Your only recourse if you think that your existense is so important to yourself is to get on the religion bandwagon. Not that it's necessarily true but it might give you some measure of reassurance that your conciousness will go on after death. Even though your body will just become plant food.
You'll change your mind once you get old. Humans aren't made to last. If we were they'd be made out of kevlar, stainless steel, advanced composites, and the nervous system would be hard wired with a chip to control it. Instead we are biodegradable units. In the eyes of nature species are important, not the individual units that comprise it. Even the species are terminal. If we aren't destroyed by our short or long term actions, or some other force such as a meteor hitting earth, the sun will nova in a couple of billion years and we'll all be fried anyway. And I doubt that we'll end up getting on any spacecraft and heading out into space to inhabit another planet in another solar system. Your only recourse if you think that your existense is so important to yourself is to get on the religion bandwagon. Not that it's necessarily true but it might give you some measure of reassurance that your conciousness will go on after death. Even though your body will just become plant food.
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I could answer this the christian way but then I would get a bunch of crap from non believers so I will just play along.
If everyone lived forever it would be messed up. Earth would be over populated in a hurry. What if I lived forever? To much sorrow. Loved ones would all die and that would suck. Sounds cool but I think it would get old after a couple hundred years. So I think I will just pass on like everyone else.
I could answer this the christian way but then I would get a bunch of crap from non believers so I will just play along.
If everyone lived forever it would be messed up. Earth would be over populated in a hurry. What if I lived forever? To much sorrow. Loved ones would all die and that would suck. Sounds cool but I think it would get old after a couple hundred years. So I think I will just pass on like everyone else.
SleepingFist
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So the secret to long life and happiness is avoid loved ones...they are just so damn inconsiderate when they die, make strong freindships with plants...so you will always have part of your plant food dead freinds around, but seriously. We contemplate eternity in the times when we doubt an afterlife because we are afraid that we are just a bunch of pre-programmed chemicals with no ounce of divinity within us. If an afterlife was a certanty then we would not have such morbid terms for death and would consider the posted questions rediculous. We do not nead to turn to religion (it is not the only other answer), what realy nead to do (in my humble opinion...) is to analise the questions, it is not about would you want to live forever, what it realy asks is how afraid of death and lonliness are you? We are afraid of our sense of 'the temporary' and only when we 'feel' a sense of 'permanence' do we look at death more positively. Hell, I am not a religious man but I do not believe in death either...alas, the danger of empirical knowledge is that in imparting its truth our accounts become anecdotal and thus unscientific....so in conclusion, the answer has to be what a load of bollocks...we have no choice but to live forever, we just don't know it yet......NEXT QUESTION.
So the secret to long life and happiness is avoid loved ones...they are just so damn inconsiderate when they die, make strong freindships with plants...so you will always have part of your plant food dead freinds around, but seriously. We contemplate eternity in the times when we doubt an afterlife because we are afraid that we are just a bunch of pre-programmed chemicals with no ounce of divinity within us. If an afterlife was a certanty then we would not have such morbid terms for death and would consider the posted questions rediculous. We do not nead to turn to religion (it is not the only other answer), what realy nead to do (in my humble opinion...) is to analise the questions, it is not about would you want to live forever, what it realy asks is how afraid of death and lonliness are you? We are afraid of our sense of 'the temporary' and only when we 'feel' a sense of 'permanence' do we look at death more positively. Hell, I am not a religious man but I do not believe in death either...alas, the danger of empirical knowledge is that in imparting its truth our accounts become anecdotal and thus unscientific....so in conclusion, the answer has to be what a load of bollocks...we have no choice but to live forever, we just don't know it yet......NEXT QUESTION.
absolute hardgainer
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Good point, "now" you would like to see what the future will be like say in 1000 years, but then - 1000 years from now you might wish otherwise...
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Yep, me too.
If I were going to live to be 1000 years old, then I'd probably host American Bandstand, $25,000 dollar pyramid and other stuff like that.
Man, that's a long time when I think about it...I'd be able to have around 10-12 wives...but what would really suck would be if you got sentenced to life without parole!
If I were going to live to be 1000 years old, then I'd probably host American Bandstand, $25,000 dollar pyramid and other stuff like that.
Man, that's a long time when I think about it...I'd be able to have around 10-12 wives...but what would really suck would be if you got sentenced to life without parole!
thefameinmyname
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Boogar,
So you're saying that in a couple BILLION years we will not find a way to travel via space and inhabit other planets!?! you are talking about BILLIONS of years, just think how far we have come in 20 years, much less to think what we will accomplish in the next million years.
So you're saying that in a couple BILLION years we will not find a way to travel via space and inhabit other planets!?! you are talking about BILLIONS of years, just think how far we have come in 20 years, much less to think what we will accomplish in the next million years.
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booger
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We?
Quit thinking we. Not me, not you, not anyone alive today. It's they.
Humans are gravity based organisms. Look at the system problems the astronauts have after just a few months in space. Bone loss, muscle atrophy, etc. The moon is one thing. Getting outside of our solar system is another.
But the rocket scientists will tell you another story. They sell dreams. It's purpose is funding. Even if it were possible, why should I care. I won't be around.
The chances of some huge asteroid slamming into the earth in the next 4 billion years is pretty good. That will take care of whatever remains of the human race.
Quit thinking we. Not me, not you, not anyone alive today. It's they.
Humans are gravity based organisms. Look at the system problems the astronauts have after just a few months in space. Bone loss, muscle atrophy, etc. The moon is one thing. Getting outside of our solar system is another.
But the rocket scientists will tell you another story. They sell dreams. It's purpose is funding. Even if it were possible, why should I care. I won't be around.
The chances of some huge asteroid slamming into the earth in the next 4 billion years is pretty good. That will take care of whatever remains of the human race.
Re: We?
"We" - being humans. I think of myself as a member of the human race (hence I use the term "we"). If you don't think of yourself as human then feel free to not use "we"
Artificial gravity is already being investigated as well as exercise programs to reduce atrophy in space.
You may not care about the future (because you won't be alive) but there are a lot of people who are interested in the future.
If nobody looked towards the future then no long-term scientific experiments would ever be carried out. Sometimes you carry on research done before you knowing that someone will continue after you - in order to achieve something worthwhile for everyone.
booger said:
"We" - being humans. I think of myself as a member of the human race (hence I use the term "we"). If you don't think of yourself as human then feel free to not use "we"
Artificial gravity is already being investigated as well as exercise programs to reduce atrophy in space.
You may not care about the future (because you won't be alive) but there are a lot of people who are interested in the future.
If nobody looked towards the future then no long-term scientific experiments would ever be carried out. Sometimes you carry on research done before you knowing that someone will continue after you - in order to achieve something worthwhile for everyone.
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booger
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OK
If you don't get it, you don't get it.
If you don't get it, you don't get it.
LeviathanX
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As a non-believer in the afterlife I would take the better of two choices, (1) to die and experience nothingness, or (2) to live and at least receive some remote stimulation.
I think life could get extremely boring, and eventually the rest of the human race would disappear, but as long as you have some form of perception I think it would be worth it. It is hard to imagine, my mind might change if I were in that position, but I think I would always choose life over death.
I think life could get extremely boring, and eventually the rest of the human race would disappear, but as long as you have some form of perception I think it would be worth it. It is hard to imagine, my mind might change if I were in that position, but I think I would always choose life over death.
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On a related note...lets just presume that our average lifespans were 150 yrs instead of the 75 or so now..for the sake of argument we will age about the same rate proportionately(i.e. at 40 with a span of 150 years I would be like a 20 year old with a span of 75 years)...Ok here is the question...would anyone realistically expect to stay married to the same person? Are you gonna marry at 25-35 or so and stay with that person for the next 100 years give or take? I know what my answer would be and it probably coincides with the lion's share of the posters on this board. So then marriage to one for life is just a question of time?
On a related note...lets just presume that our average lifespans were 150 yrs instead of the 75 or so now..for the sake of argument we will age about the same rate proportionately(i.e. at 40 with a span of 150 years I would be like a 20 year old with a span of 75 years)...Ok here is the question...would anyone realistically expect to stay married to the same person? Are you gonna marry at 25-35 or so and stay with that person for the next 100 years give or take? I know what my answer would be and it probably coincides with the lion's share of the posters on this board. So then marriage to one for life is just a question of time?
absolute hardgainer
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LeviathanX: Good point, if death is just nothingness - which would imply that we only exist physically and do not have a soul then I would also choose life over death in any case.
However, in this great universe of ours I just can't seem to accept that life and all existence is just a temporary physical state without any point.
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However, in this great universe of ours I just can't seem to accept that life and all existence is just a temporary physical state without any point.
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Burning_Inside
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I would never want to live physically forever, in fact i'd love to just have a ton of cash and live a fast fun filled life for about the next 10 years and just drop dead so i don't have to worry about anything anymore.
I remember reading The Elric Saga when I was a teenager. In one of the books there was a man doomed to live forever. I think it was there that I first realized that living forever might not be such a good thing. For one, the mystery that persons having died and gone on to a possible afterlife will be difficult to overcome at least in the realm of thinking of Christians or other religious believers, I would think. It would be like all of your loved ones knowing the answer to a riddle except for you. Ultimately, I think some people would want to know for sure.
Living to 150 years, I can see that being more possible in the next several decades when more of the components of cellular breakdown and aging have been determined and can be postively or negatively affected to some degree (even to both degrees). Science understands that DNA plays a heavy role in aging. There are even genetic diseases that cause the very reverse to happen...for life to speed up and aging to be accelerated (Hutchinson-Gilford Syndrome). So based on this occurrence and the fact that aging can be accelerated, I also think the corellary can be achieved, that aging can be slowed down.
We already have tissue that is capable of extending lifespan--or even living forever. It's called cancer. I have been reading texts on the molecular basis of cancer and I'm coming to the conclusion that perhaps (perhaps!) it's an attempt by certain parts of the body to try and live forever (continued telomerase activity). However, it is faulty in that it can kill the host if it grows too much, as we all know. Identifying how to increase telomere activity without activating cancer activity will be a major milestone in lifespan in my op, so long as our bodies don't find fault with this process and simply develop a repressor protein and wiping up out for tampering with it.
If the normal life expectancy begins to increase and average 150 or more years at some point, then I think this will be wonderful. However, if it only happens to a few random people then I think it will increase factors of unhappiness in some people. And that in and of itself may play a role in ultimate longevity. So if it happens to only a few I think the human experience remaining the same will lead to depression concomitant with living longer than one's peers. However, if the next generation learned of a way to increase lifespan to 150 years I think the experiential aspect of life would be not much different. Perhaps maturity would slow down as well as responsibility based on age. So then it would be a transfer of time. Animals with shorter lifespans live accordingly. They mature faster and get on with life. As they age they slow down. So to say that animals with shorter lifespans are unhappy is not applicable. We don't think they can reason akin to our questioning of our world. However, both animals and man have the ability to instintually want to survive. Look at the mouse, lives frantically for 1.5 years. Look at the Galapagos Turtle, lives in slow motion for 200 years or more. Who has the better quality of life? Aging takes place and as this happens the quality of their life takes a dip. Aging then death. The rate is the only difference, maybe. So if we can live to be 150 and still be relatively youthful in energy then I'm all for it. But not if the aging process is spread out or prolonged.
Living to 150 years, I can see that being more possible in the next several decades when more of the components of cellular breakdown and aging have been determined and can be postively or negatively affected to some degree (even to both degrees). Science understands that DNA plays a heavy role in aging. There are even genetic diseases that cause the very reverse to happen...for life to speed up and aging to be accelerated (Hutchinson-Gilford Syndrome). So based on this occurrence and the fact that aging can be accelerated, I also think the corellary can be achieved, that aging can be slowed down.
We already have tissue that is capable of extending lifespan--or even living forever. It's called cancer. I have been reading texts on the molecular basis of cancer and I'm coming to the conclusion that perhaps (perhaps!) it's an attempt by certain parts of the body to try and live forever (continued telomerase activity). However, it is faulty in that it can kill the host if it grows too much, as we all know. Identifying how to increase telomere activity without activating cancer activity will be a major milestone in lifespan in my op, so long as our bodies don't find fault with this process and simply develop a repressor protein and wiping up out for tampering with it.
If the normal life expectancy begins to increase and average 150 or more years at some point, then I think this will be wonderful. However, if it only happens to a few random people then I think it will increase factors of unhappiness in some people. And that in and of itself may play a role in ultimate longevity. So if it happens to only a few I think the human experience remaining the same will lead to depression concomitant with living longer than one's peers. However, if the next generation learned of a way to increase lifespan to 150 years I think the experiential aspect of life would be not much different. Perhaps maturity would slow down as well as responsibility based on age. So then it would be a transfer of time. Animals with shorter lifespans live accordingly. They mature faster and get on with life. As they age they slow down. So to say that animals with shorter lifespans are unhappy is not applicable. We don't think they can reason akin to our questioning of our world. However, both animals and man have the ability to instintually want to survive. Look at the mouse, lives frantically for 1.5 years. Look at the Galapagos Turtle, lives in slow motion for 200 years or more. Who has the better quality of life? Aging takes place and as this happens the quality of their life takes a dip. Aging then death. The rate is the only difference, maybe. So if we can live to be 150 and still be relatively youthful in energy then I'm all for it. But not if the aging process is spread out or prolonged.
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booger
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I liked your comments on cancer. I've been trying to tell people that for years and they've just given me this strange look. But I always add that the Blob was once a man who just turned into a big chunk of cancer just to make them think I'm not totally crazy. And that story about Steve McQueen dying of cancer down in Mexico was really just a hoax. He became the Blob. And the laetril(sp) in the apricot pits is really just the chemical used to reprogram the genes for cancer activity. That's the part of the movie that they cut.
I liked your comments on cancer. I've been trying to tell people that for years and they've just given me this strange look. But I always add that the Blob was once a man who just turned into a big chunk of cancer just to make them think I'm not totally crazy. And that story about Steve McQueen dying of cancer down in Mexico was really just a hoax. He became the Blob. And the laetril(sp) in the apricot pits is really just the chemical used to reprogram the genes for cancer activity. That's the part of the movie that they cut.
william2000
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I would definitely want the option of continous living as long as youth and health came with it . . . I would not want to be like Sybil who when granted long life by Apollo (as many years as Grains of sand in his hand) forgot to ask for youth with it . . .
diamonddiceclay
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only if I could be healthy when I got old
absolute hardgainer
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I think it would be cool to be like Groundhog day when he keeps living to same day over and over again. But really for those people who may not believe in religion, LIFE is all they may have. And I am also one person who would like to see what the future holds...100, 500, 1000 yrs
the_paradise_garage
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I want to stay young and beautiful forever!
toga22
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I can't imagine living life forever, nor do I honestly think I would want to. Have you ever seen an eldery couple shopping in the mall or driving down the road. Yes, they might be happy and satisfied in their lives, and for this I am happy. However, I can't imagine living 200+ years of not being able to hardly move, without having good bladder control, or having a faltering memory. I only want to live as long as I am able to take care of myself. Nursing homes maybe a perfect solution for many individuals in this country--however, it is the last place in the world I would want to spend the later years of my life.
Anyone who has made a SERIOUS study of the bible would know that God created man to live forever.Death never entered the picture until man disobeyed God.
The human brain has the ability to store information endlessly.
This would not be the case if we were the result of evolution.
Everybody has the desire to live forever, it's natural, but we don't want to live forever under the conditions we see in todays world.
If we could keep our youth and health, and live under peaceful conditions ,it goes without saying that we would want to continue.
A few corrections to some of the posts: The bible states that there is no afterlife, only resurrection back to life.(Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)(John 5:28,29 Acts 24:15)
As for the SOUL, the bible clearly states that man BECAME a living soul, he was not given one!The Hebrew word translated soul in the bible is NEPHESH and means BREATHER. The lifeless body plus the spirit breathed into it equaled a soul, or a living breathing person.(Genesis 2:7)The word soul was often used this way in the past,for example:He's a very merry soul 'You poor soul'.Even animals are called souls in the bible.(Genesis 1:20,21,24,25 Leviticus 24:17,18))
Even a catholic encyclopaedia admits this to be true, even when their church teaches otherwise. Quote:
“There is no dichotomy [division] of body and soul in the Old Testament. The Israelite saw things concretely, in their totality, and thus he considered men as persons and not as composites. The term nepe_s [ne'phesh], though translated by our word soul, never means soul as distinct from the body or the individual person. . . . The term [psy·khe'] is the N[ew] T[estament] word corresponding with nepe_s. It can mean the principle of life, life itself, or the living being.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIII, pp. 449, 450.
The human brain has the ability to store information endlessly.
This would not be the case if we were the result of evolution.
Everybody has the desire to live forever, it's natural, but we don't want to live forever under the conditions we see in todays world.
If we could keep our youth and health, and live under peaceful conditions ,it goes without saying that we would want to continue.
A few corrections to some of the posts: The bible states that there is no afterlife, only resurrection back to life.(Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)(John 5:28,29 Acts 24:15)
As for the SOUL, the bible clearly states that man BECAME a living soul, he was not given one!The Hebrew word translated soul in the bible is NEPHESH and means BREATHER. The lifeless body plus the spirit breathed into it equaled a soul, or a living breathing person.(Genesis 2:7)The word soul was often used this way in the past,for example:He's a very merry soul 'You poor soul'.Even animals are called souls in the bible.(Genesis 1:20,21,24,25 Leviticus 24:17,18))
Even a catholic encyclopaedia admits this to be true, even when their church teaches otherwise. Quote:
“There is no dichotomy [division] of body and soul in the Old Testament. The Israelite saw things concretely, in their totality, and thus he considered men as persons and not as composites. The term nepe_s [ne'phesh], though translated by our word soul, never means soul as distinct from the body or the individual person. . . . The term [psy·khe'] is the N[ew] T[estament] word corresponding with nepe_s. It can mean the principle of life, life itself, or the living being.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIII, pp. 449, 450.
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booger
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Okiman,
You been listening to those snakes so long that you're beginning to think like one.
You been listening to those snakes so long that you're beginning to think like one.
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booger
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okiman said:
Yeah snakes. Wasn't Adam a Herpetologist studing reptiles in the Garden of Eden. Isn't there some story about some snake handing out apples and causing all kinds of trouble from then on.
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BronzedGoddess
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Hell No!
That would be the ultimate punishment; almost as scary as going to Hell.
That would be the ultimate punishment; almost as scary as going to Hell.
Okiman, I've made serious study of the Bible and I do not think it is absolute that Adam and Eve were immortal, nor do I think it necessarily fits in with certain statements. However, I do think that you have a very plausible explanation for your theory, and I very well might agree that if Eden was perfect then death would not exist according to Heavenly nature.
"And God shall wipe all the tears from their eyes. And there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying; and there shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away" (Rev. 21:4).
Since God is the "the Alpha and the Omega" (Rev 21:6), He preceded death just as He will determine it's end. So I could actually follow your line of reasoning quite well.
However, I don't think believing there is any automatic belief in Eden's life eternal that necessarily comes with full study of the Bible. I don't happen to place greater emphasis on individual interpretation of the Bible. I also shun literal interpretation of the Bible word for word. For me, to each his own in terms of how the Bible speaks to you. But it is pretty cool thought.
"And God shall wipe all the tears from their eyes. And there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying; and there shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away" (Rev. 21:4).
Since God is the "the Alpha and the Omega" (Rev 21:6), He preceded death just as He will determine it's end. So I could actually follow your line of reasoning quite well.
However, I don't think believing there is any automatic belief in Eden's life eternal that necessarily comes with full study of the Bible. I don't happen to place greater emphasis on individual interpretation of the Bible. I also shun literal interpretation of the Bible word for word. For me, to each his own in terms of how the Bible speaks to you. But it is pretty cool thought.
This is not my interpretation of the bible ,but the bibles interpretation of it's self. To understand Gods word a person can't let themselves be guided by false religious traditions or ideas .If your church teaches you that there is an immortal soul, you will bring such a philosophy into the bible when you read it,this would then taint your understanding of it.
If a person really want's to know the 'Truth ..that will set them free', they have to do away with all their previous misconception and allow the bible to speak for itself.
The only people truly qualified to teach the bible ,are those who live by it !Obviously , the mainline religions of this world are not in a position to do so as they regularly disregard and water down it's teachings.Many of them say as you say ,that we shouldn't take the bible literally, and this is where they fall flat !
'What does Gods word say?' not 'What do I,or my priest/pastor think ?' is the important question.
Some may say taking such verses as Genesis chapter 1 where it talks about the creation in 7 days.But if you look at Chp 2:4, you see that all the days are referred to as 1 day. Obviously the bible isn't referring to 24 hrs in this case ,but simply to a period of time
which could be any length.It is not unusual for a person to refer to his 'grandfathers day' meaning that persons entire lifetime.So ,too, the bible often uses the term 'day'to describe an extended period of time.(2 Peter 3:8)Thus the days of Genesis chapter 1 could reasonably be thousands of years in length.
This is what is meant by letting the bible interpret itself !
If a person really want's to know the 'Truth ..that will set them free', they have to do away with all their previous misconception and allow the bible to speak for itself.
The only people truly qualified to teach the bible ,are those who live by it !Obviously , the mainline religions of this world are not in a position to do so as they regularly disregard and water down it's teachings.Many of them say as you say ,that we shouldn't take the bible literally, and this is where they fall flat !
'What does Gods word say?' not 'What do I,or my priest/pastor think ?' is the important question.
Some may say taking such verses as Genesis chapter 1 where it talks about the creation in 7 days.But if you look at Chp 2:4, you see that all the days are referred to as 1 day. Obviously the bible isn't referring to 24 hrs in this case ,but simply to a period of time
which could be any length.It is not unusual for a person to refer to his 'grandfathers day' meaning that persons entire lifetime.So ,too, the bible often uses the term 'day'to describe an extended period of time.(2 Peter 3:8)Thus the days of Genesis chapter 1 could reasonably be thousands of years in length.
This is what is meant by letting the bible interpret itself !
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booger
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The Bible is just a book. Every culture, every civilization, has some written work that they claim to be inspired by what they consider to some superior force. But they are all written by men.
I'm all for people believing interpretations of the Bible such as yours. Language is just words and definitions that humans have created, but as long as people consider them to be more than that.... all the better. It's a nice control mechanism for the masses. I think the correct term would be 'Sheep'.
And no inanimate object such as the Bible can interpret itself. It has no awareness of itself. Your ideas concerning that are occuring in your head only.
I'm all for people believing interpretations of the Bible such as yours. Language is just words and definitions that humans have created, but as long as people consider them to be more than that.... all the better. It's a nice control mechanism for the masses. I think the correct term would be 'Sheep'.
And no inanimate object such as the Bible can interpret itself. It has no awareness of itself. Your ideas concerning that are occuring in your head only.
I don't have a problem with people believing the Bible should be interpreted literally. I do not believe that it is a sin to do one or the other. Nor do I believe that either practice is right or wrong. It is when people assume that I am incorrect when not interpreting it literally that I defend my position with logic and sound reasoning. I will do so at this time.
The people who interpret the Bible literally have their particular point of view. And all too often, to them, those who do not share this point of view are incorrect. This is starting to be the case in this discussion. You interpret the Bible as you see it...word for word. Yet there were a number of different authors of the different books of the Bible, they interpreted what they saw slightly differently. This is why the same story (as told by different witnesses) in the Bible is told each time with slightly different wording and description. If the Bible was meant to be taken literally, why is the same event described over and over? Does this not make sense? It would place the reader at a distinct disadvantage for discovering the truth about the Bible. So from my vantage point, to interpret the Bible (in its entirety) literally is to be in conflict with the realities as experienced by the individual authors. I do not consider this falling flat, nor do I consider it a shortcoming. To assume that the Bible is not subject to individual interpretation is contradictory. If not, then why not move to Jordan where the imagery and locale are directly applicable to your daily life? We know the events in the Bible took place in what is now considered to be the middle east. Yet we apply God's principles to our daily living in other countries at least 2,000 years later. If the Bible was only meant to be taken literally word for word, then whatever applied at THAT time was ONLY good then and there...not here and now. Since I do not believe this and feel the Bible is a LIVING document (meaning that it is applicable to today's society as well) it is up for individual interpretation. Now what I must concede is that I do not take just anyone's word for what the interpretations mean. I interpret the Bible to the best of my comprehension and apply it to every day life. However, you and I both do this when we even READ the Bible...someone else translated it...probably Shakespear (King James Version). Therefore unless we actually were directly part of the interpretation process, then we cannot know EXACTLY the word-ology that may or may not have been lost in the translation. If this is the case then we are all guilty of assuming the English versions are to be taken literally. Granted that this is not possible for everyone to individually translate the original books of the Bible, we must assume that the scholars in old time and modern have done their jobs properly. So now we have to live the word of the Bible so that we can interpret it. We cannot faultily assume that everyone will interpret it the same way. Comprehension and subsequent interpretation depends on grasp of language and vocabulary inflection.To think that this is even remotely possible is ludicrous. Therefore, it is my firm believe that the Bible as we know it was meant to be applied on the basis of our interpretation. This is how God made our brains work. Reading the Bible and applying it to everyday living requires the following process (as does all form of learning):
1. Education--The process of actually being able to read.
2. Learning--the mind comprehends what our vision takes in.
3. Knowledge--what is stored in our brains from reading.
4. Wisdom--applying what he know to our daily life.
The crucial thing is that this 4-step process which every normal human brain undergoes is dependent upon individual interpretation. I do not think God would subject us to sin by virtue of inability to comprehend on the basis of neurophysiological limitation. That would be an inborn error of omission. I think God knows everything about us, since He allowed the book to be written. I don't personally think He would allow a book to be written if it was not possible for His children to follow it. If the Bible was meant to be taken literally, then there is no room for error in interpretation based on the 4-step learning process. Remember, Christians DO NOT worship the Bible...we worship Jesus Christ...if we place the utmost importance in literal interpretation of the Bible then perhaps we are holding the Bible in greater regards than the Son of God.
So therefore, this is my reason for believing that the Bible is a guide rather than a legal document.
The people who interpret the Bible literally have their particular point of view. And all too often, to them, those who do not share this point of view are incorrect. This is starting to be the case in this discussion. You interpret the Bible as you see it...word for word. Yet there were a number of different authors of the different books of the Bible, they interpreted what they saw slightly differently. This is why the same story (as told by different witnesses) in the Bible is told each time with slightly different wording and description. If the Bible was meant to be taken literally, why is the same event described over and over? Does this not make sense? It would place the reader at a distinct disadvantage for discovering the truth about the Bible. So from my vantage point, to interpret the Bible (in its entirety) literally is to be in conflict with the realities as experienced by the individual authors. I do not consider this falling flat, nor do I consider it a shortcoming. To assume that the Bible is not subject to individual interpretation is contradictory. If not, then why not move to Jordan where the imagery and locale are directly applicable to your daily life? We know the events in the Bible took place in what is now considered to be the middle east. Yet we apply God's principles to our daily living in other countries at least 2,000 years later. If the Bible was only meant to be taken literally word for word, then whatever applied at THAT time was ONLY good then and there...not here and now. Since I do not believe this and feel the Bible is a LIVING document (meaning that it is applicable to today's society as well) it is up for individual interpretation. Now what I must concede is that I do not take just anyone's word for what the interpretations mean. I interpret the Bible to the best of my comprehension and apply it to every day life. However, you and I both do this when we even READ the Bible...someone else translated it...probably Shakespear (King James Version). Therefore unless we actually were directly part of the interpretation process, then we cannot know EXACTLY the word-ology that may or may not have been lost in the translation. If this is the case then we are all guilty of assuming the English versions are to be taken literally. Granted that this is not possible for everyone to individually translate the original books of the Bible, we must assume that the scholars in old time and modern have done their jobs properly. So now we have to live the word of the Bible so that we can interpret it. We cannot faultily assume that everyone will interpret it the same way. Comprehension and subsequent interpretation depends on grasp of language and vocabulary inflection.To think that this is even remotely possible is ludicrous. Therefore, it is my firm believe that the Bible as we know it was meant to be applied on the basis of our interpretation. This is how God made our brains work. Reading the Bible and applying it to everyday living requires the following process (as does all form of learning):
1. Education--The process of actually being able to read.
2. Learning--the mind comprehends what our vision takes in.
3. Knowledge--what is stored in our brains from reading.
4. Wisdom--applying what he know to our daily life.
The crucial thing is that this 4-step process which every normal human brain undergoes is dependent upon individual interpretation. I do not think God would subject us to sin by virtue of inability to comprehend on the basis of neurophysiological limitation. That would be an inborn error of omission. I think God knows everything about us, since He allowed the book to be written. I don't personally think He would allow a book to be written if it was not possible for His children to follow it. If the Bible was meant to be taken literally, then there is no room for error in interpretation based on the 4-step learning process. Remember, Christians DO NOT worship the Bible...we worship Jesus Christ...if we place the utmost importance in literal interpretation of the Bible then perhaps we are holding the Bible in greater regards than the Son of God.
So therefore, this is my reason for believing that the Bible is a guide rather than a legal document.
Testoterone Tom
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What's all of this IF stuff?? I AM going to live forever. 
I think being really old would be great, assuming you had all the answers for keeping in perfect shape. Like when your 20? Not getting old and slow just smarter and faster would be great. Now when you fall in love with a mortal and live and watch her die, then wait years to overcome and do it all over. That would really tear apart my mind and soul.
theGINGERBREADMAN
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I would love to live forever!
plornive
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I would definitely live forever if I could. Just imagine all of the long-term goals you could reach. You could make incredible amounts of money, train your mind and brain, and become the absolute best bodybuilder your genetics and chemistry will alow.
What you could accomplish with unlimited time is absolutely unreachable in a finite time period. I want a cheat.
What you could accomplish with unlimited time is absolutely unreachable in a finite time period. I want a cheat.
Haz
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I think you guys are making the wrong assumption. If we do figure out how to extend life indefinetely, it'll be because we'll find a cure for old age. We grow old because our cells lose their ability to replicate themselves with time. Its been a long time since I've taken genetics, but I do remember my prof. talking about the whole thing. In the future we might find a way to slow or stop the aging process all together.
However, that wouldn't make us immortal. We might look like 20 year olds for thousands of years, but that won't stop us from getting cancer, clogged arteries, heart attacks and other diseases.
I'm all for eternal life though. Just think of all the wisdom a person would accumulate over the eons. You'll have time to see everything, and try everything. It beats being wormfood, thats for sure.
However, that wouldn't make us immortal. We might look like 20 year olds for thousands of years, but that won't stop us from getting cancer, clogged arteries, heart attacks and other diseases.
I'm all for eternal life though. Just think of all the wisdom a person would accumulate over the eons. You'll have time to see everything, and try everything. It beats being wormfood, thats for sure.
MeImmortal1
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I want to live forever. And I think in my lifespan there will be great strides in extending, and eventually defeating the disease we now call aging. So many studies and scientic advances, it is the next step in human evolution. Life expectancy keeps going up, and shows NO sign of slowing down. It is eventually going to be possible to live to be 200 years, and I don't care how many people disagree, u were the same ones who called the world flat, and laughed at Orville and Wilbur Wright!!!
dutch-bolex
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yea, gimme eternal youth and you can count me in for living forever, I guess
Live forever..... Why not, or at least until you poop the bed at the nursing home.
As for life after death.... come on... get real, Who really thinks this whole universe is made just for humans on this little backwater planet called earth. Life after death, Religion, God, The soul, come on people...... all these things are nothing more than masks that we use to hide our fear of death behind.
If you people really belive in god or life after death, Why not just kill yourself and go on to heaven now. You can just float around in the clouds and do nothing all day, Talk to all your loved ones that have died, Never have to work or eat again. Maybe even catch a comet to heaven. Why is it that all these regilious people dont just leave for heaven now............... Deep down inside............. They are very very very scared of death.... in fact they are so scared that they will belive in anything that keeps them living forever.
Not only do I want to live forever, I want to be young and healthy forever.
As for life after death.... come on... get real, Who really thinks this whole universe is made just for humans on this little backwater planet called earth. Life after death, Religion, God, The soul, come on people...... all these things are nothing more than masks that we use to hide our fear of death behind.
If you people really belive in god or life after death, Why not just kill yourself and go on to heaven now. You can just float around in the clouds and do nothing all day, Talk to all your loved ones that have died, Never have to work or eat again. Maybe even catch a comet to heaven. Why is it that all these regilious people dont just leave for heaven now............... Deep down inside............. They are very very very scared of death.... in fact they are so scared that they will belive in anything that keeps them living forever.
Not only do I want to live forever, I want to be young and healthy forever.
The Architect
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Not unless I'm Hugh Hefner.
webcrawler
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No, not if Michael Jackson is threatening to do it.
The only conditions where I would want to live forever is if I looked like Joe Millionaire from the neck up, someone from the cover of Mens Fitness from the neck down, and Bill Gates in the wallet.
geoffgarst
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I would someday like to go to heaven to see my brother that passed away a couple of years ago. I guess it would depend on the quality of life I could sustain.
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Freaky Gear God
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The only downfall is losing your loved ones.
callmeraven
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I guess I'd be all for it if it'd be like Highlander and I'd have to fight dudes to continue living forever... then it'd be challenging so at least it'd keep me busy, and eventually I could give up if I really wanted to.
stipic
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I don't know about you people, but I have not stopped having fun since the day I was born. Sure there were a few bad times and loved ones have died but I always get over it and get back to having fun. I've got a lot of respect for life and, "live for ever" if I could, f**ken oath I would.
Stephenson
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Live forever for sure....not because I'm afraid of death, but just curious to know what the future will be like.
stipic
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Mate some of you are so negative, I know the older i get the more i find fun and interesting things to do.
The way i look at it, Old age is a disease that everybody has got. It's just that people are so use to it, that everybody has excepted it.
At the rate of discoveries wich have happened in the past century.
I'm suprised nobody has found a cure for it yet.
I recon it's only a matter of time before they do.
We are either the last generation to die of old age or the first to live for ever.
The way i look at it, Old age is a disease that everybody has got. It's just that people are so use to it, that everybody has excepted it.
At the rate of discoveries wich have happened in the past century.
I'm suprised nobody has found a cure for it yet.
I recon it's only a matter of time before they do.
We are either the last generation to die of old age or the first to live for ever.
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muzclefreak
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no way, this world is gonna be on f-ed up place, (like it already isn't)
yatesolympia
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dusty2 said:
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FistOfCain
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no
whoa182
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most of you never thought what you just wrote.
you said, Why would i want to live forever being all wrinkly and poorely.. Well That doesnt make any sense, If you live forever it means you live forever in good health! and young !. Living forever does not come with growing old ! ... Common sense guys.
Ok, So if you were to ask some 1 in 1930's and said. Hey you know, In the 21 st century we are going to have space Rockets, people go into space, hey they even send robots to mars!.
ALso the future guy says to the old 1930's farmer. Hey we also have Supercomputers that are more powerful than humans, we also have instant communication all around the world and we can all watch the same channel on these things called Television. I can also play Computer games with my friends all around the world. oh and by the way. we can get Animals to live equivelent to 500 years of a human.
ok i could go on and on.
The point is, The Future is going to be unrecognizable. People will no longer have to work. We will just live. in the future we have Space explorations, Searching for intelligent life in the universe, we can immerse ourselfs in virtual Reality and live any dream we want and it feels so real. Humans, through the enchancements involving genetics will become litrually SUPERHUMANS.
There is a trend that Technology is accelerating at a very fast pace, and is getting faster. Ray Kurzweil ( very intelligent guy) has had a team keeping track on technology advancements and by his charts we are picking up speed . at todays rate of progress the 21st century will be equivelent to 25.000 years of technolical progress.
Technology is accelerating.
if it doesnt sound like science fiction then your probably wrong!. Like i said, if war doesnt push us back we are going to have very comfortable lives.
Just hope Robots dont take over the world
lol..
probably not, Robots and humans will merge. its happening already
you said, Why would i want to live forever being all wrinkly and poorely.. Well That doesnt make any sense, If you live forever it means you live forever in good health! and young !. Living forever does not come with growing old ! ... Common sense guys.
Ok, So if you were to ask some 1 in 1930's and said. Hey you know, In the 21 st century we are going to have space Rockets, people go into space, hey they even send robots to mars!.
ALso the future guy says to the old 1930's farmer. Hey we also have Supercomputers that are more powerful than humans, we also have instant communication all around the world and we can all watch the same channel on these things called Television. I can also play Computer games with my friends all around the world. oh and by the way. we can get Animals to live equivelent to 500 years of a human.
ok i could go on and on.
The point is, The Future is going to be unrecognizable. People will no longer have to work. We will just live. in the future we have Space explorations, Searching for intelligent life in the universe, we can immerse ourselfs in virtual Reality and live any dream we want and it feels so real. Humans, through the enchancements involving genetics will become litrually SUPERHUMANS.
There is a trend that Technology is accelerating at a very fast pace, and is getting faster. Ray Kurzweil ( very intelligent guy) has had a team keeping track on technology advancements and by his charts we are picking up speed . at todays rate of progress the 21st century will be equivelent to 25.000 years of technolical progress.
Technology is accelerating.
if it doesnt sound like science fiction then your probably wrong!. Like i said, if war doesnt push us back we are going to have very comfortable lives.
Just hope Robots dont take over the world
lol.. probably not, Robots and humans will merge. its happening already
Yes, I would like to live forever(long time), if and only if, I had the ability to control the pain of losing a loved one. I am taking into consideration the fact that my body would be able to sustain the length of living time and that most humans would be able to live forever too, not just I.....
...in which case I would only attach myself to people who lived forever(for a long time) and procreate only with those if the pain of love may not be controlled...
...in which case I would only attach myself to people who lived forever(for a long time) and procreate only with those if the pain of love may not be controlled...
stipic
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Yasmina said:
Well I've had both my parents, and several other freinds including ex girl friends pass away. all at different times in my life.
And sure i felt sad and guilty for a few months that i get to live while they miss out, but i always get over em. and get back to enjoin my life.
It's not really that bad loosin loved ones, they always stay in my memories. I sometimes even picture them being around at times and thinking what they would say and stuff.
But it's all cool, i still live life to the max.
stipic said:
I am sorry to hear you lost your parents & many close friends!!!
People do get over lossing someone, but maybe I am a little more emotional about this sort of stuff. Maybe because I have not really lost many close people in my life and I think it would be devastating to lose parents/siblings/a lover/very close friend, hence need strong mental ability to cope. The only close people which passed away from my life were my grandparents.
Frankieperfect
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Yes I want to live as long as I can. I enjoy every morning I awake . I love to feel , breathe, cry, hate, sleep, masturbate and every other human emotion/sense possible. But sadly the only thing certain in life is death. And guess what , I think about dying everyday. It is the one thing I fear the most because I have no idea how it will happen. That is why I live every day like it will be my last, because guess what, my next drive to the gym could be my last. So be sure to not to take advantage of the more simpler/free things we have in life like having the power to love. Tell your loved ones how you feel everyday, even if you are not on speaking terms with them. Because like I said earlier, death is the only thing certain in life.
got2getripped
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I'd become the biggest bodybuilder ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I would always win the O GEAHHHH
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LeviathanX said:
I think of the knowledge that could be optained WOW.... I am guessing you could keep your youth..... You would have everything.... I thought christians have there selves to God so they could live forever??"I dont want to live forever" ya right.... what a crock...... but the truth humm there is no forever but fun to think about maybe they will get this clonning thing figured out and we can have brain trasplants..... Ya you cant clone memories..
got2getripped
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I think the key to immortality would be to be able to escape our bodies by uploading our conscious into a digital or electrical form like on the movie the Lawnmower Man then we would be able to use temporary cyborg bodies when the time required us to physically move.
I was reading an article in Popular Science that said how researchers are finding ways to take peoples memories to where others can experience them. Pretty awesome stuff.
I was reading an article in Popular Science that said how researchers are finding ways to take peoples memories to where others can experience them. Pretty awesome stuff.
got2getripped
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Do you mean live forever without being able to die at all, like some sort of super hero. I would take over the world in that case.
If you mean just never grow old it wouldn't matter anyway cause somebody would eventually just murder you for no reason or something else would kill you.
If you mean just never grow old it wouldn't matter anyway cause somebody would eventually just murder you for no reason or something else would kill you.
whoa182
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I believe that within 50-100 years you will be more likely to die of an accident than die of a disease.
People will look on the 21st century as another horrible century where millions died of disease. Im only 20. I plan on living a few hundred of thousand years. cos if **** scary that id be 80 in 60 years ahaha.
People will look on the 21st century as another horrible century where millions died of disease. Im only 20. I plan on living a few hundred of thousand years. cos if **** scary that id be 80 in 60 years ahaha.
Hmm... The longer, the better. As long as I woulndn't be AGED. I like how I am now: Strong, young, beautiful, cabable, intelligent. Most people at old age lose these qualities and FOR this reason I wouldn't want to be alive if I became 'less.' I think once can live already for longer than most by just keeping the right diet and mind frame... I'm going to be young for LOOONG. 
