Would killing the economy help the poor?

[Mr. dB]

So what's the best way to help the poor? Or is there a best way? Will the poor always be poor? Do they want to raise their standard of living, and more importantly are they willing to work for it?

Education.

 

[-SD-]

Education.

Not education. Making them actually want to get an education. The culture of "too cool for school" and "wannabe gangster" mentality is the problem. Weve all seen that shoving these kids in a classroom and hoping for the best doesnt work. Parents have to instill the value of education in their kids while young. We can build all the schools in the world but it wont matter if the above attitudes remain pervasive.

 

[mrplunkey]

Education.

I completely agree. This is a huge component of helping get people out of poverty.

So why not completely revamp the system, including eliminating layers of wasteful administration, decertifying unions and looking into privatization experiments?

 

[ledhead]

I completely agree. This is a huge component of helping get people out of poverty.

So why not completely revamp the system, including eliminating layers of wasteful administration, decertifying unions and looking into privatization experiments?

Agreed, and give teachers higher wages, and better incentives, and tools to deter misbehavior.

 

[EnderJE]

Not education. Making them actually want to get an education. The culture of "too cool for school" and "wannabe gangster" mentality is the problem. Weve all seen that shoving these kids in a classroom and hoping for the best doesnt work. Parents have to instill the value of education in their kids while young. We can build all the schools in the world but it wont matter if the above attitudes remain pervasive.

Given the mass consumption mentality, I don't see this changing anything soon.

 

[Mr. dB]

I completely agree. This is a huge component of helping get people out of poverty.

So why not completely revamp the system, including eliminating layers of wasteful administration, decertifying unions and looking into privatization experiments?

You didn't mention vouchers?

I think we'd be better off if we went back to neighborhood schools.

 

[mrplunkey]

You didn't mention vouchers?

I think we'd be better off if we went back to neighborhood schools.

One of the privatization options would be vouchers.

And I really like the neighborhood schools idea too. My mother's side of the family had 120 years of gradeschool teaching experience across three women (monther, aunt, aunt) and they were all convinced that we needed to get back to smaller schools.

It seems really cynical to me when people support teachers' unions and education reform at the same time.

 

[ceo]

Not education. Making them actually want to get an education. The culture of "too cool for school" and "wannabe gangster" mentality is the problem. Weve all seen that shoving these kids in a classroom and hoping for the best doesnt work. Parents have to instill the value of education in their kids while young. We can build all the schools in the world but it wont matter if the above attitudes remain pervasive.

That's a great point. So it really has to start with the parents? How do parents who are lazy and don't give a shit about education (unless it's educating their children on how to take advantage of every way to scam the system) make their children want to go to school?

 

[-SD-]

That's a great point. So it really has to start with the parents? How do parents who are lazy and don't give a shit about education (unless it's educating their children on how to take advantage of every way to scam the system) make their children want to go to school?

I thought about that and doesnt seem to be a viable solution. This has been going on now for at least 2 generations so the parents are part of the problem as well. Having teachers that are glorified babysitters hamstrung by PC rules and red tape doesnt help either.

Mass sterolization for the win

 

[Mr. dB]

I thought about that and doesnt seem to be a viable solution. This has been going on now for at least 2 generations so the parents are part of the problem as well. Having teachers that are glorified babysitters hamstrung by PC rules and red tape doesnt help either.

Mass sterolization for the win

About the time women entered the workplace en masse as most families became two-earner households.