Would appreciate some advice 1st time cycle

[Kyo 2]

I'm not new to the gym by any means,I'm 25 years old been in the gym since I was 19 and active in karate since I was 16. I wake up every morning and hit the gym for at least 2 hrs then do 30 to 40 mins cardio before leaving. I'm 5'6 and wiegh 148 lbs. Ive been taking the BSn supplements for most of last year trying to gain naturally,Truemass,Cellmass,Nitrix,No-xplode ect. I have seen a great deal of defintion and hardening but I cant really gain anything. I started researching gear a while ago when a freind told me it might help. I have come to the conclusion that a stack of deca durabolin and primobolin would assist me in gaining without overdoing it. I would really appreiate anybodys advice on this. I want to gain but I dont want it to look outa proportation since I'm shorter than most and I really would like to keep my cuts. my stack would look like this.

wk1, 200 mg deca
wk2, 200 mg deca
wk3, 400mg deca, 100 mg primo
wk4, 400mg deca, 200 mg primo
wk5 400mg deca, 300 mg primo
wk6 200mg deca, 200 mg primo
wk7 200mg deca, 200 mg primo


Anybody opion on adjusting this cycle or adding would be helpfull. And if I follow this stack what do u guys think I will gain from it?

 

[eddie2425]

You can't gain because you lift every day for 2+ hours and do 45mins cardio.

Lift one hour 3-4 days a week and drop cardio for now.

 

[eddie2425]

btw, if you do a cycle don't do Deca for a first! Hit a Test only cycle. 500mg week for 10 weeks.

 

[Kyo 2]

btw, if you do a cycle don't do Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - for a first! Hit a Test only cycle. 500mg week for 10 weeks.

Ill try to cut back on the lifting and cardio and see what happens. but why do u say not to use deca? I thought it was one of the safest steriods available.

 

[Kyo 2]

Ill try to cut back on the lifting and cardio and see what happens. but why do u say not to use Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - ? I thought it was one of the safest steriods available.

One more ?. Just for kicks what do u think this stack would do if I added it to my routine? Would I get more cut or would it help at all?

 

[alexl2]

btw, if you do a cycle don't do Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - for a first! Hit a Test only cycle. 500mg week for 10 weeks.

agreed

 

[BOWTECH]

One more ?. Just for kicks what do u think this stack would do if I added it to my routine? Would I get more cut or would it help at all?

Did someone give you this advice for you or is this something you created on your own?

That is a terrible first cycle and stack. Primobolan and Deca-Durabolin - with no Test in there is not a good idea. Plus the way you have it set out and it only being 8 weeks long. Also the tapering of doseages and the very little time you would be on Primobolan - methenolone - you will get almost NOTHING out of that stack.

Here is a good first time run

weeks 1-10 500mgs Test Enanthate
and PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . That's it.

Keep it simple. Also do research on the compounds you are planning to use. There is a ton of good info out there that can really assist you. Please do alot of research and you will see why that stack really is not a good idea. Just trying to help you.

 

[GUARDIAN]

cut out cardio all together if u r trying to gain especially at 148 (even at your height), unless u absolutely need the cardiovascular conditioning for a sport or something.

deca without test....bad idea.

 

[halfcenturian]

Do yourself a favor and just run a test only cycle, 500mg/wk for 12 weeks.

DURING that time get some education on stacking AAS. You need to do some reading, bro. We are happy to help. But learn some more about which AAS compliment each other and which don't.

 

[Kyo 2]

Did someone give you this advice for you or is this something you created on your own?

That is a terrible first cycle and stack. Primobolan and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - with no Test in there is not a good idea. Plus the way you have it set out and it only being 8 weeks long. Also the tapering of doseages and the very little time you would be on Primobolan - methenolone - you will get almost NOTHING out of that stack.

Here is a good first time run

weeks 1-10 500mgs Test Enanthate
and PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . That's it.

Keep it simple. Also do research on the compounds you are planning to use. There is a ton of good info out there that can really assist you. Please do alot of research and you will see why that stack really is not a good idea. Just trying to help you.

this is something I came to on my own actually. I based it on reveiws of deca being a good base steriod for athletes and the classic deca cycle. then I reseached primo and it said it was also a very safe steriod and used for cutting toward the end of a cycle. I guess my research was incorrect thank you all for ur advice.

 

[xrsist]

whats your current training program look like mate? when lifting you should be in and out in an hour. also whats your current diet look like meal by meal? the more we know about your training and eating habbits the more we can help you mate

 

[chris69]

btw, if you do a cycle don't do Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - for a first! Hit a Test only cycle. 500mg week for 10 weeks.

SUSTANON all the way Bro. You can do wk1-4 w/ 20/30mg dianabol kick and get great results for a first cycle ! I kept around 12lbs off that, gained 20.

 

[needtogetaas]

I don't like sust for a first cycle. thats me though.

 

[Kyo 2]

whats your current training program look like mate? when lifting you should be in and out in an hour. also whats your current diet look like meal by meal? the more we know about your training and eating habbits the more we can help you mate

Monday is chest and shoulders, I bench 205- 3 sets of 10. Dumbell press 40lbs -3 sets of 10, incline press 145-3 sets of 10, military press 3 sets of 10. downward rows 60lbs... shoulders I use 20lb dumbells reverse fly and fly,a set of 15 dips inbetween reps,

Tuesday is lats and biceps, its the same kinda reps 3 sets of 10. 60lb curls free weight 40 lbs machine, 25lb single dumbell curls. inbetween these sets I do ab workouts leglifts with15lb wieghts chained to my feet ect. then 30 - 40 mins cardio at the end of the workout.

Wensday I hit the abs hard, incline sit ups, crunches, weighted leglifts ect. and at the end of each 2nd set of xercises I do a small chest xcersise,pushups, lite weight lifting ect.

thursday I focus on legs mostly but only for about an hr, then 1 hr of cardio

Friday I hit the chest and arms hard again for 2 hrs going through all the xercises I did on monday and tuesday lifting as much wieght as I can until failure in each set. then abs till failure then 40 mins of cardio.

thats my week at the gym. and no one thinks I would gain anything from deca and primo? I only ask because those 2 are at my disposal. I would have to find a place to get the test every suggest.

My diet consists of 2 True mass protien shakes a day,Nitrix 9 pills a day,NO xplode before the workout in the morning, Cellmass afterwards and before bed.

I eat only salmon and grilled chicken breasts, drink water and if I eat bread its wheat bread, brown rice and skim milk.

I hope that gives u enough info to let me no what effect the deca and primo would have for me.

 

[centy]

You need to be eating more. I bet it if your diet and training get tweaked a bit, you can make some great nat gains. Then revisit the gear scenario in a yr or so.

 

[xrsist]

Monday is chest and shoulders, I bench 205- 3 sets of 10. Dumbell press 40lbs -3 sets of 10, incline press 145-3 sets of 10, military press 3 sets of 10. downward rows 60lbs... shoulders I use 20lb dumbells reverse fly and fly,a set of 15 dips inbetween reps,

Tuesday is lats and biceps, its the same kinda reps 3 sets of 10. 60lb curls free weight 40 lbs machine, 25lb single dumbell curls. inbetween these sets I do ab workouts leglifts with15lb wieghts chained to my feet ect. then 30 - 40 mins cardio at the end of the workout.

Wensday I hit the abs hard, incline sit ups, crunches, weighted leglifts ect. and at the end of each 2nd set of xercises I do a small chest xcersise,pushups, lite weight lifting ect.

thursday I focus on legs mostly but only for about an hr, then 1 hr of cardio

Friday I hit the chest and arms hard again for 2 hrs going through all the xercises I did on monday and tuesday lifting as much wieght as I can until failure in each set. then abs till failure then 40 mins of cardio.

thats my week at the gym. and no one thinks I would gain anything from Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Primobolan - methenolone - ? I only ask because those 2 are at my disposal. I would have to find a place to get the test every suggest.

My diet consists of 2 True mass protien shakes a day,Nitrix 9 pills a day,NO xplode before the workout in the morning, Cellmass afterwards and before bed.

I eat only salmon and grilled chicken breasts, drink water and if I eat bread its wheat bread, brown rice and skim milk.

I hope that gives u enough info to let me no what effect the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Primobolan - methenolone - would have for me.

what does you leg day consist of?
please list your diet meal by meal eg meal 1: .... meal 2:.... etc.
decca with out test and its a high probability your mrs will start to sleep around as your dick wont work.
bsn must love you.
do a bit of research in the training forum bro the whole 3 sets of 10 thing is something i would recommend to a 15 year old looking to get used to the basics of weight training. i noticed you dont work your back.. whys that?

 

[eddymerckx]

this is something I came to on my own actually. I based it on reveiws of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - being a good base steriod for athletes and the classic Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - cycle. then I reseached Primobolan - methenolone - and it said it was also a very safe steriod and used for cutting toward the end of a cycle. I guess my research was incorrect thank you all for ur advice.

your research was not incorrect, just incomplete. there is so much more that goes into picking the right gear for the type of cycle. that if why it is good to post here and get a bunch of opinions as many of us have tried a lot of different things--some better, some worse, but a learning experience.

and you did the smart thing by asking first and not asking how to fix it after its messed up. keep reading and learning.

check out some of these--all verry good and worth the few bucks--it will save you a lot down the road https://www.elitefitness.com/amember/

 

[ironcheif1984]

I'm not new to the gym by any means,I'm 25 years old been in the gym since I was 19 and active in karate since I was 16. I wake up every morning and hit the gym for at least 2 hrs then do 30 to 40 mins cardio before leaving. I'm 5'6 and wiegh 148 lbs. Ive been taking the BSn supplements for most of last year trying to gain naturally,Truemass,Cellmass,Nitrix,No-xplode ect. I have seen a great deal of defintion and hardening but I cant really gain anything. I started researching gear a while ago when a freind told me it might help. I have come to the conclusion that a stack of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - durabolin and primobolin would assist me in gaining without overdoing it. I would really appreiate anybodys advice on this. I want to gain but I dont want it to look outa proportation since I'm shorter than most and I really would like to keep my cuts. my stack would look like this.

wk1, 200 mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
wk2, 200 mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
wk3, 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 100 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk4, 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 200 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk5 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 300 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk6 200mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 200 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk7 200mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 200 mg Primobolan - methenolone -


Anybody opion on adjusting this cycle or adding would be helpfull. And if I follow this stack what do u guys think I will gain from it?

Branch Warren is your height. What do you think of his look.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B45AN1eQYvo&feature=related

 

[GUARDIAN]

I don't like sust for a first cycle. thats me though.

def not my first choice either. EOD & high doses to run properly which doesnt mix for a first cycle. with that said though someone running it the first time around will still see decent gains off of it.

 

[chris69]

def not my first choice either. EOD & high doses to run properly which doesnt mix for a first cycle. with that said though someone running it the first time around will still see decent gains off of it.

True, but its all i can compare my first cycle to, That was it,LOL. but i only did two inj a wk. 500mg total.

 

[tommyds]

I was in the same thought process as you last year and it was a waste like they said...All Deca did was give me a little streingth and limp dick...

 

[LMOB121212]

I'm not new to the gym by any means,I'm 25 years old been in the gym since I was 19 and active in karate since I was 16. I wake up every morning and hit the gym for at least 2 hrs then do 30 to 40 mins cardio before leaving. I'm 5'6 and wiegh 148 lbs. Ive been taking the BSn supplements for most of last year trying to gain naturally,Truemass,Cellmass,Nitrix,No-xplode ect. I have seen a great deal of defintion and hardening but I cant really gain anything. I started researching gear a while ago when a freind told me it might help. I have come to the conclusion that a stack of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - durabolin and primobolin would assist me in gaining without overdoing it. I would really appreiate anybodys advice on this. I want to gain but I dont want it to look outa proportation since I'm shorter than most and I really would like to keep my cuts. my stack would look like this.

wk1, 200 mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
wk2, 200 mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
wk3, 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 100 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk4, 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 200 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk5 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 300 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk6 200mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 200 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk7 200mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 200 mg Primobolan - methenolone -


Anybody opion on adjusting this cycle or adding would be helpfull. And if I follow this stack what do u guys think I will gain from it?

2 of my first 3 cycles were deca only. The first was run at 200mg/week for 10 weeks and my second at 300mg/week for 10 week. The first cycle I gained 18 pounds on a high calorie diet(no cardio). I was 6'1 190# and went over 205#. Also-I lost probably 5-10 #'s of fat. Im one of the lucky few who never has experienced "limpness" problems. Not mention of the 5 people I know personally that have run deca only cycles-only 2 experienced libido issues and they were running 400mg/week or more. So-limpdick is a concern with deca-but not a guarantee. Of the 18 pounds I put on I kept 8-10 pounds of solid lean muscle. I would definitely lengthen your cycle and if youre going to stack for your first cycle throw test in like the guys said to prevent possible libido issues.

 

[big.nad]

I'm not new to the gym by any means,I'm 25 years old been in the gym since I was 19 and active in karate since I was 16. I wake up every morning and hit the gym for at least 2 hrs then do 30 to 40 mins cardio before leaving. I'm 5'6 and wiegh 148 lbs. Ive been taking the BSn supplements for most of last year trying to gain naturally,Truemass,Cellmass,Nitrix,No-xplode ect. I have seen a great deal of defintion and hardening but I cant really gain anything. I started researching gear a while ago when a freind told me it might help. I have come to the conclusion that a stack of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - durabolin and primobolin would assist me in gaining without overdoing it. I would really appreiate anybodys advice on this. I want to gain but I dont want it to look outa proportation since I'm shorter than most and I really would like to keep my cuts. my stack would look like this.

wk1, 200 mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
wk2, 200 mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
wk3, 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 100 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk4, 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 200 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk5 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 300 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk6 200mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 200 mg Primobolan - methenolone -
wk7 200mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , 200 mg Primobolan - methenolone -


Anybody opion on adjusting this cycle or adding would be helpfull. And if I follow this stack what do u guys think I will gain from it?

i used to be in the same boat bro. knowledge is ur friend. ur probs burning more cals than ur eating lol. if ur serious about gaining weight ull really have to alter ur work outs. that and diet. u should get those in check for a few months anyway to see wat happens, then reconsider ur options. while doing this, spend ALOT of time researching about gear. ur proposed cycle there needs a bit of work. defs not a good cycle.

good luck buddy.

 

[levi8599]

bro with those workouts i dont see how that would take 2 hrs. cut out the cardio if you wanna gain or do less cardio(low intenstiy cardio). also if you wanna gain start eating more carbs like potatoes and rice and oatmeal. and primobolan at those doses for that short of time is pretty much a waste.