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ch3mical

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Hello everyone,

The only chance I am able to work out these days is pretty much right after I wake up (around 6:30). After my attempted bulking over the winter (gained a lot of strength, but not too much muscle mass), I am looking towards cutting and preserving the muscle I do have.

I'm sitting at around 15% body fat at the moment, and my goal is to get below 10 for the summer.

Anyways, my routine consists of lifting Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and want to add in cardio for Wednesday as well. I know that HIIT is good for cutting, but heard it is a terrible idea to do it on an empty stomach.

On top of my regular lifting schedule and a strict diet, what should I be doing for cardio on lifting days, should I do it before/after my workout, and what should I do on my cardio only day? Keep in mind these workouts will be done on an empty stomach.

Thanks!
 
I cannot workout on a empty stomach. With that said a PB and Jelly with a big glass of water always does the trick for me.

As far as cardio on workout days, I would only do this 2 times a week as well as wednesday. That will be plenty.

Heavy bag training
Circut training
Jumprope
15 mins bike training
15 mins treadmill at highest incline with a fast walk/jog pace.

and the list goes on.....basically just get your heart rate up and get to business.
 
I can do cardio and bodyweight stuff on an empty stomach (Have to for army physical training m,w,f) but no way would weights go well on an empty stomach. Cardio should be fine though
 
cardio yes weights hell no I wake up at 5 drink a premade carb and protein shake go back to sleep for and hour or 2 then wake up and head straight to the gym
 
C.K. said:
cardio yes weights hell no I wake up at 5 drink a premade carb and protein shake go back to sleep for and hour or 2 then wake up and head straight to the gym
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Must be nice, if a cricket farts it wakes me up.. and once I'm up, I'm up all day... there is no going back to sleep
 
Empty stomach > full stomach.

Work out fasted exclusively. No problems hitting PRs every week.

10g BCAA beforehand is all you need.
 
I’m going in gym Sunday-Tuesday-Thursday. Tuesday usually I’m going 5 in the morning I’m drinking a coffee(no $ for shake this days but I used to take a shake put in some coffee in it for energy) eating a yogurt and a fruit then I’m going in gym sometimes I’m going after work and I don’t feel no deferent’s
 
no way. you need energy for weight traning. eat complex carbs before and you will be golden. brown rice and sweet potato's. don't ever workout on an empty stomach.

cardio is a different story. if you are gonna do cardio then you don't want to have a full stomachor you risk getting sick. I used to eat complex carbs 2-3 hours before my cardio session when I was a half marathon runner. and a lot of water.


of course everyone is different.. i knew runners who would eat absolute crap before a run and they were fine although runners tend to be cocky and BS'ers so not sure I believed them.
 
stevesmi said:
no way. you need energy for weight traning. eat complex carbs before and you will be golden. brown rice and sweet potato's. don't ever workout on an empty stomach.
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Why? Because the standard response on internet message boards says not to?

This has been debunked about as often as the need to eat every 2-3 hours or the "fact" that the body can only process 30g of protein at a time.

I recommend not listening to the broscience and going off of actual science instead.
 
empty stomach is good for a "fast cardio" right away after you get up, but you MUST eat within 3 hours of waking up or you willl pig out all day. get up630-gym7-eat830
and your laughin
 
It's just a preference... you can do it with or without, whatever works best for you... if you look at how the body evolved, it's used to working hard all day and not eating, then sitting down after a day on the hunt, eat heavy, and go to sleep... if it worked for thousands of years for evolution, working out on an empty stomach is fine now too, of course if you want to eat go for it... personally, if I even just drink 20 ounces of protein before working out, I want to vomit every 2 minutes.
 
75th said:
Why? Because the standard response on internet message boards says not to?

This has been debunked about as often as the need to eat every 2-3 hours or the "fact" that the body can only process 30g of protein at a time.

I recommend not listening to the broscience and going off of actual science instead.
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I've worked out without eating and it wasn't pretty.. I had no energy and I was weak.

when I was a powerlifter and didn't eat cause I was trying to lose a pound or two before the meet to make weight we would all weigh in and then pig out to get energy back.

it makes a huge difference.

if you are building muscle you need to be eating every 2 hours and can never go on an empty stomach regardless. poll people at the gym and 99.9% of the weightlifters eat before and after their workouts.

runners are a different story as i wrote above
 
stevesmi said:
if you are building muscle you need to be eating every 2 hours and can never go on an empty stomach regardless.
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Not only has that been proven false many times over, but studies actually show that your insulin responds negatively when you eat that often. Not only that, but as you eat more often your body produces for lepitin, which actually makes you hungrier as opposed to reducing your appetite.


poll people at the gym and 99.9% of the weightlifters eat before and after their workouts.
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Hence the term "broscience." They are only doing it because other weightlifters or people on message boards told them to. There's absolutely no science to back it up, whereas many studies (a few that I posted above) shows that it's actually favorable to work out in a fasted state.


If you tried it once and didnt like it that's fine, but dont say people "shouldnt" do it based only on what other internet message board posters say. Science > message board posters simply repeating what they've heard.

I'd recommend talking to SouthernLord. I turned him onto this idea a few months ago. Like you, he tried it once before and hated it. Fast forward to today - he sent me a message the other day saying that he would be a much happier man if his schedule allowed him to work out fasted exclusively.

BTW, neither SL or I do cardio or endurance work. Bench, squats, deads, and pullups. As I mentioned above, I have no problems hitting new PRs every week whilst training after being in a fasted state for 15 hours.
 
where do you get the energy to do weight training if you do not eat?

explain it further.

I've done that more then once and it wasn't purposefully.. it was just in a situation where I was away from home and decided to go to the gym or forgot to take food with me that day. it did not go well.. everytime I had crappy workouts. I felt so freakin hungry during the workout that I just quit and went and bought a wrap. i just felt blah

this is an interesting theory but I am curious as to what benefits weight training on an empty stomach vs. eating complex carbs that are easy to digest there are. I will say that certain foods screw you up more then an empty stomach.. like fast food, fried food, fatty foods, sugars.. so eating those would probably be worse then empty stomach. but for me a raw sweet potato, maybe an apple/banana.. brown rice. those are solid foods to eat before.

I kinda see what you are saying in that eating the wrong foods are worse then empty stomach. but I dont see how empty stomach is good vs. complex carbs

your muscles need nourishment and they need a lot of water. I drink a ton of water before, during and after.
 
stevesmi said:
where do you get the energy to do weight training if you do not eat?

explain it further.

I've done that more then once and it wasn't purposefully.. it was just in a situation where I was away from home and decided to go to the gym or forgot to take food with me that day. it did not go well.. everytime I had crappy workouts. I felt so freakin hungry during the workout that I just quit and went and bought a wrap. i just felt blah

this is an interesting theory but I am curious as to what benefits weight training on an empty stomach vs. eating complex carbs that are easy to digest there are. I will say that certain foods screw you up more then an empty stomach.. like fast food, fried food, fatty foods, sugars.. so eating those would probably be worse then empty stomach. but for me a raw sweet potato, maybe an apple/banana.. brown rice. those are solid foods to eat before.

I kinda see what you are saying in that eating the wrong foods are worse then empty stomach. but I dont see how empty stomach is good vs. complex carbs

your muscles need nourishment and they need a lot of water. I drink a ton of water before, during and after.
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Your body creates more than enough energy to workout without food. I stop eating at 8pm the night before, and tend to work out around 11am the next morning. I drink however much water I want and consume 10g BCAA about 15 mins prior to working out.

Your body doesnt need food (eg external sources of energy) before working out - it has more than enough stored away. Not only that, but studies show your blood sugar responds better and your body creates more GH when you work out in a fasted state.

Because of the insulin response, my pwo meal (and first meal of the day) usually takes care of 75-90% of my daily caloric intake (eg 1,400-1,700 calories).

Id challenge everybody in this thread to give this a shot for 2 weeks and report back. Try hitting a PR on squats or deads, too. You'll be surprised.
 
you are taking 10g BCAA and drinking water, so in turn you are not truely going in there fasted.

real fasting would be not eating or drinking anything before a workout. kinda like how muslims fast during ramadan, they do not eat or drink a thing during daylight.

as for what you are saying I dont disagree with the premise of avoiding food. I would avoid most foods before a workout. the worst thing that you can do is actually eat a protein bar, fatty things, sugars, caffeine etc. that would actually crash you hard during the workout. what I am saying is eat complex carbs like a raw sweet potato for example. so we are not that far off on this.
 
stevesmi said:
you are taking 10g BCAA and drinking water, so in turn you are not truely going in there fasted.

real fasting would be not eating or drinking anything before a workout. kinda like how muslims fast during ramadan, they do not eat or drink a thing during daylight.

as for what you are saying I dont disagree with the premise of avoiding food. I would avoid most foods before a workout. the worst thing that you can do is actually eat a protein bar, fatty things, sugars, caffeine etc. that would actually crash you hard during the workout. what I am saying is eat complex carbs like a raw sweet potato for example. so we are not that far off on this.
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We are far off. Theres maybe 5 calories in a serving of BCAA. Water contains no calories whatsoever. You're working out in a fasted state.

Eating complex carbs before your workout is the exact opposite of what you should be doing.
 
when i've trained without food:

1. I feel like crap and have no energy
2. i get really really hungry halfway through the workout
3. my lifts stink and i have less strength.

my workouts are 70 minutes plus I like to get in another 15 minutes of cardio. there is no way i could go that long without eating much less go into it with an empty stomach. after that workout I am starving, i just dont see how that is anything but catabolic.

its a great idea for someone trying to lose weight but not for a bodybuilder.
 
stevesmi said:
after that workout I am starving, i just dont see how that is anything but catabolic.

its a great idea for someone trying to lose weight but not for a bodybuilder.
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Ok. Science has proven that incorrect over and over again.

That's not even to mention the exemplary results of those who follow this type of strategy.
 
75th said:
Why? Because the standard response on internet message boards says not to?

This has been debunked about as often as the need to eat every 2-3 hours or the "fact" that the body can only process 30g of protein at a time.

I recommend not listening to the broscience and going off of actual science instead.
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uh bro because you are waking up from a 9 hr fasted state????? why do you think it's called "breakfast" oh wait that's just bro science...
 
C.K. said:
uh bro because you are waking up from a 9 hr fasted state????? why do you think it's called "breakfast" oh wait that's just bro science...
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Whats your point? Whether you fast for 16 hours in the middle of the day or fast overnight, youre still in a fasted state.

Obviously, its easier for me (or anyone else) to fast for 16 hours when you're asleep for 8 of those hours. Stop eating 3 hours before bed and dont eat until 5 hours after waking up. Piece of cake.

I dont know what you mean about breakfast being broscience. I do know that the "need" to eat every 2-3 hours is broscience.
 
axismundi said:
It's just a preference... you can do it with or without, whatever works best for you... if you look at how the body evolved, it's used to working hard all day and not eating, then sitting down after a day on the hunt, eat heavy, and go to sleep... if it worked for thousands of years for evolution, working out on an empty stomach is fine now too, of course if you want to eat go for it... personally, if I even just drink 20 ounces of protein before working out, I want to vomit every 2 minutes.
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how are you gonna compare a cave man to a body builder lol
 
C.K. said:
how are you gonna compare a cave man to a body builder lol
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thats a good point. our ancestors were lucky to make it to 20 years old because of poor nutrition. they looked sickly. a dog that isn't fed well is gonna look skinny and weak.. one that is fed and exercised properly is gonna look good with a shiny coat.
 
lol

Look at this guy just wasting away.

This guy fasts 16 hours a day, too. Obviously he has no energy and cant make it to the gym 3 times a week.

As for myself, since I began following an intermittent fasting approach, my bodyfat has dropped perhaps 1% and I've put on maybe 4-5lbs of LBM. I'm completely natural, and that was over a 5 month time frame. Meanwhile, my bench, squat, and dead 5rms have all risen by 20lbs, 35lbs, and 50lbs respectively. Plus, there's nothing better than eating an 1,800 calorie meal pwo. :)

Like I said, if you guys dont want to bother giving it a shot thats fine. But try not to dissuade folks from doing something when you have no knowledge or experience on the subject...especially when you have absolutely no science to back up your claims, whereas the opposing argument has tons. Just because 10,000 people on a message board regurgitate the same nonsense, it doesnt make it any less retarded.
 
So ch3mical, bottom line is do what you want. I'm NOT saying that you wont achieve your goal by eating before your workout...just that youre taking the scenic route in getting there. If you need me to point you in the direction of more studies and testimonials that back up the idea that working out on an empty stomach will always be superior than the alternative, just shoot me a PM.
 
Okay they are drastically cutting and on multiple "performance enhancers" i bet they wouldn't do that off cycle... and while working out on an empty stomach is possible I garantee it won't be as productive as if you had eaten and carb/protien meal a few hours before
 
I do wanna see the studies though post up :) I checked out the leangains sight interesting but def to each their own I couldn't fast for 16 hrs I get horribly moody and grumpy anything beyond 3 hrs I even just started drinking a midnight protien shake for my cycle :p
 
C.K. said:
Okay they are drastically cutting and on multiple "performance enhancers" i bet they wouldn't do that off cycle... and while working out on an empty stomach is possible I garantee it won't be as productive as if you had eaten and carb/protien meal a few hours before
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lol. What do you base this guarantee on? Exactly.

I posted a few studies earlier in this thread, all of them completely relevant and done on not only humans, but human athletes.

Also, none of those folks were on cycle. I am natural, and am in the best shape of my life not eating breakfast, working out on an empty stomach, and only eating 3 meals per day. A lot of folks on here have seen my pics, and I'd bet they would put them up against anybody of the same weight who's done 2-3 cycles.

Theres a reason all these studies back up what I'm saying - because it works.


Here are some more IF followers that have had success naturally whether they were cutting or bulking:
Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health: Success Stories
 
C.K. said:
I do wanna see the studies though post up :) I checked out the leangains sight interesting but def to each their own I couldn't fast for 16 hrs I get horribly moody and grumpy anything beyond 3 hrs I even just started drinking a midnight protien shake for my cycle :p
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I did too...I couldnt go more than 2 hours without food.

All I gotta say is try it. A week wont kill you. Stop eating at 8pm and dont eat again until noon. Around 9am you'll be hungry, but that will pass by 10. Workout at 1030 then feast when youre done.
 
I dunno I don't like to accuse people of anything but it's almost impossible to get that pumped and hard looking with what god gave you haha
 
stevesmi said:
where do you get the energy to do weight training if you do not eat?

explain it f
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My body. Nature designed me that way....

Do you think our ancestors chasing game, to get food called out "hey mr. prey I can't keep up with you because I have an empty stomach, as I've been chasing you for days with no luck of killing you... could you like come over here and let me nibble on your leg for 20 minutes because boy I sure don't have any energy and can't catch you without any" no

Do you think our ancestors said "oh shit mr tiger, I can't run from you right now I haven't eaten anything... give me a second to eat this sandwich" no.

Do you think soldiers since the dawn of time stop every 2 hours and go "woah wait, carb break hang on my stomach is empty and I'm going to fall over any second and cease to function" no.

If we had to eat before every single act of physical exertion greater than typing this post, we'd have lasted one generation as a species.
 
C.K. said:
how are you gonna compare a cave man to a body builder lol
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I didn't say caveman... you take a neolithic hunter and pit him against a bodybuilder from here... that hunter is going to be in better shape, he might not have huge muscles but his are effective and lethal, he might not be able to do a bunch of reps of this or that, but he has explosive power and unmatched endurance.

Go look at a hunter or warrior from a jungle tribe right now... he'll last longer than most if not all bodybuilders in the field, he'll move gracefully like an animal, he will have raw power refined for his skill set, and you know what... not very poor nutrition... all they needed is what they could gather, and then their kill. Organ meat on wild game is packed full of nutrition, between the organ meat and the rest of the meat on the animal you could live quite healthy, supplementing the rest from whatever the gatherers of your tribe managed to scrounge up you have humans in fantastic shape... what gave them early deaths were things we have medicine for, and the simple thing they couldn't go to Walmart to buy their meat, they had to go chase it down.
 
stevesmi said:
thats a good point. our ancestors were lucky to make it to 20 years old because of poor nutrition. they looked sickly. a dog that isn't fed well is gonna look skinny and weak.. one that is fed and exercised properly is gonna look good with a shiny coat.
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Eh... not exactly true... partially true.

If you look at the neolithic hunter gatherers given good amounts of game they ate quite well... in fact all you have to do is look at the tribal cultures that still exist all over the world, they did quite well for themselves. Sure, there were still plenty of people around back then that had horrible sources of food, had poor diets etc... the same is true today.
 
Interesting idea but not gonna work for most people. I know I've had workouts without food in my stomach and they were terrible. Then again too much food is a bad thing too. I think if your goal is strength to bodyweight ratio this isnt gonna work that well. That guy you posted is around my same weight and height but only deadlifts 335x3-4. So bascially he looks great but not a ton of strength to back it up
 
jiggagold said:
What are you eating when youre not fasting?
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What I normally eat. A shitload of pork, eggs, chicken, broccoli, fruit, etc.

My usual pwo meal consists of 10oz pork, 12oz broccoli, 2 cups oats mixed with 1 cup chocolate milk. About 1,600 awesome calories right there.

I dont eat any non-veggie carbs aside from pwo...but thats just me.
 
I have done a lot of reading on this topic. It gets pretty heated on other boards because the intermittant fasting way of training/ eating challenges ALL the bodybuilding beliefs. I was totally opposed to it when I first heard about it. The thing is...if you stop and read the studies and actually ask yourself why you believe what you believe....they don't always correlate. A lot of things we believe because that's what we were taught and that's what we've always believed.

I've tried both ways...I prefer the IF way of eating and I do train fasted on the weekends. I use BCAA's sometimes. I have had results both ways. What I would like to see more of are studies or stories of guys who compete in bodybuilding and use this way of eating. I've seen lots of guys get lean and ripped but I'd be interested in the competition guys and/ or guys who are on gear. So far, the results I've seen have mainly been from the natties.

I will share one link to a guy I have followed for a couple of years. You won't believe it but he is all natural. He trains fasted and kicks ass. He is truly a freak but has inspired many, myself included. He's never gotten on stage though, although is probably one who actually could.

Sponsored Athlete Manu Grewal Talks With Fitoverfat.com :: FitOverFat.com :: Achieve Your Fitness Dreams
 
okay since this is a steroid board we can all openly admit that we juice but on other sites it's hush hush and frowed appon but common we can all tell a juicer from a natty get real
 
and although this may be good for cutting you can't go against years of body building science based on what you read on 1 site... Cardio on a fasted state is catabolic but that's why it works weights atleast an intense workout on an empty stomach would be totally counter productive EVERYONE whether you workout or not needs breakfast not on for physical but mental benefits as well
 
For years people believed the world was flat...all the science today would suggest that isn't true...catabolism is highly overrated and just doesn't happen as fast as we'd all like to think. Read the studies. I'm not arguing for it...I was exactly the way you are. I'm just saying...75th posted up some good studies, which would suggest everything we believe from the years of bodybuilding science may not be true.
 
C.K. said:
okay since this is a steroid board we can all openly admit that we juice but on other sites it's hush hush and frowed appon but common we can all tell a juicer from a natty get real
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My answer to this is that because we all juice, we focus a lot of our learning on that and miss all the learning and advances that are happening in diet and nutrition. The natty guys HAVE to pay attention cause outside of hard work, that's all they have. There's a lot of cutting edge stuff out there for nutrition. Not all of it fits with the long standing beliefs of the culture. We would all be very quick to jump on board if a new supplement came out but we fight any challenges to our beliefs about dieting. Sometimes getting real means getting an open mind.
 
C.K. said:
and although this may be good for cutting you can't go against years of body building science based on what you read on 1 site... Cardio on a fasted state is catabolic but that's why it works weights atleast an intense workout on an empty stomach would be totally counter productive EVERYONE whether you workout or not needs breakfast not on for physical but mental benefits as well
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THERE IS NO SCIENCE. That;s entirely my point.

Most bodybuilders do things a certain way ONLY because those that came before them told them to.
 
And thanks for showing up, Roxy. You obviously have more patience than I do lol.
 
C.K. said:
and although this may be good for cutting you can't go against years of body building science based on what you read on 1 site... Cardio on a fasted state is catabolic but that's why it works weights atleast an intense workout on an empty stomach would be totally counter productive EVERYONE whether you workout or not needs breakfast not on for physical but mental benefits as well
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Also again lol @ claiming things as catabolic when the only proof is opinions on a message board.

Hate to sound like a broken record, but studies show that catabolism doesnt take effect until 3 days(!!!) of fasting - and even then it's rather minimal.

Training fasted triggers your body to release more GH, which in turn creates a more anabolic environment than training with food in your belly.
 
And again, I dont mind at all if people dont want to follow this method. Do what works for you.

What I (and any smart person) should mind is people making completely baseless claims based on no actual research or science whatsoever.

If you dont want to do it then just say you dont want to do it. But dont attempt to dissuade others with science that doesnt even exist.
 
75th said:
And again, I dont mind at all if people dont want to follow this method. Do what works for you.

What I (and any smart person) should mind is people making completely baseless claims based on no actual research or science whatsoever.

If you dont want to do it then just say you dont want to do it. But dont attempt to dissuade others with science that doesnt even exist.
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I think this is the key point...^^

When I first heard of IF and all that goes with it, I thought it was ridiculous. I'm all about learning though and like any new knowledge, you read everything you can and use some critical thinking skills to form your own opinions. I use a combination of dieting principles and have chosen not to follow one specific train of thought...but that's based on hours of research, experimenting with different methods and knowing my own body.

I still think it would be interesting to see guys who are on gear and/ or compete try the IF..say for a contest prep and see what happens.
 
Roxy722 said:
I still think it would be interesting to see guys who are on gear and/ or compete try the IF..say for a contest prep and see what happens.
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I'm sure youve seen some write ups on the leangains site about Martin training some folks for comps, right?
 
I can't work out on an empty stomach-I would suggest grabbing a quick bowl of cereal or a shake or something on the way into the gym. That way you wont have a completely empty stomach and your metabolism will get a jump start.
When looking at cardio, do anything to get your heart rate up! Maybe hop on a bike, jumprope, a couple of laps around the track, or something like that on your lifting days. Then maybe on wednesdays do some hard core circut training or a couple of mile run.
Good luck, keep your head up. Getting into it is the hardest part but after your over that hump you'll have a routine down and do great.
 
Vinny65 said:
I can't work out on an empty stomach-I would suggest grabbing a quick bowl of cereal or a shake or something on the way into the gym. That way you wont have a completely empty stomach and your metabolism will get a jump start.
When looking at cardio, do anything to get your heart rate up! Maybe hop on a bike, jumprope, a couple of laps around the track, or something like that on your lifting days. Then maybe on wednesdays do some hard core circut training or a couple of mile run.
Good luck, keep your head up. Getting into it is the hardest part but after your over that hump you'll have a routine down and do great.
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Christ.
 
Okay but I wanna see those pics of you 75th :D I could probably workout 1 body part a day on a fasted state but my split looks like this

Day 1: chest back abs
Day 2: bis tris delts traps obliques
Day 3 quads hams calves

It's set up so all opposing muscle groups are super and triple setted high intensity non stop 12-16 sets per body part workouts last 2-2.5 hrs I'd find that impossible to do without carbing up
 
C.K. said:
Okay but I wanna see those pics of you 75th :D I could probably workout 1 body part a day on a fasted state but my split looks like this

Day 1: chest back abs
Day 2: bis tris delts traps obliques
Day 3 quads hams calves

It's set up so all opposing muscle groups are super and triple setted high intensity non stop 12-16 sets per body part workouts last 2-2.5 hrs I'd find that impossible to do without carbing up
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I would struggle with that too. I can train fasted if it's first thing in the morning but some go all day fasting and then train late afternoon and I can't do it. I feel too weak.
 
C.K. said:
Okay but I wanna see those pics of you 75th :D I could probably workout 1 body part a day on a fasted state but my split looks like this

Day 1: chest back abs
Day 2: bis tris delts traps obliques
Day 3 quads hams calves

It's set up so all opposing muscle groups are super and triple setted high intensity non stop 12-16 sets per body part workouts last 2-2.5 hrs I'd find that impossible to do without carbing up
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its weird that my split mirrors yours. except I do chest and tris same day
and upper back and bis day 2.

other then that same thing. and my workouts are 70-75 mins and then 15 min cardio.
 
stevesmi said:
its weird that my split mirrors yours. except I do chest and tris same day
and upper back and bis day 2.

other then that same thing. and my workouts are 70-75 mins and then 15 min cardio.
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I can't do chest tris cuz my tris are exhausted after all the pressing same goes for bis after back... ever though of doing chest/back then isolating bis & tris the day after? ;)
 
The pump you get working out and super setting opposing muscles is INSANE imagine your chest back tris and bis all pumped up at the same time just on chest/back day you walk around like a gorilla after arm day I can barely even drive home lol :evil:
 
C.K. said:
Okay but I wanna see those pics of you 75th :D I could probably workout 1 body part a day on a fasted state but my split looks like this

Day 1: chest back abs
Day 2: bis tris delts traps obliques
Day 3 quads hams calves

It's set up so all opposing muscle groups are super and triple setted high intensity non stop 12-16 sets per body part workouts last 2-2.5 hrs I'd find that impossible to do without carbing up
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I do a full body workout 3x/week and 30 mins of incline cardio 2-3x/week.

My workout consists of squats, deads, incline bench (alternate with presses), weighted dips, and weighted chins. I dont really do any assistance work.

2-2.5 hour workout? Jesus. I'm usually out of the gym in 45 minutes. But I know of folks who train fasted for 90 + minutes. Even folks who play football and soccer fasted.
 
i trained fasted today or kinda, my last meal last night was at 11. Then I trained at 1230, took some no shotgun and xtend before the workout. Workout went pretty well, I did more on floor presses then I have before and pullups/chins seemed easier. I cruised through my workout and was out in 45 minutes. This was the first time i used xtend so maybe thats why i felt so good. PWO I had a little bottle of chooclate milk mixed with 2 scoops of ON protein. I'm about to eat some tuna and chicken with broccli around 330. Then I'll prolly eat more chicken and tuna around 6 and a protein shake and scoop of ANPB around 8.
 
jiggagold said:
i trained fasted today or kinda, my last meal last night was at 11. Then I trained at 1230, took some no shotgun and xtend before the workout. Workout went pretty well, I did more on floor presses then I have before and pullups/chins seemed easier. I cruised through my workout and was out in 45 minutes. This was the first time i used xtend so maybe thats why i felt so good. PWO I had a little bottle of chooclate milk mixed with 2 scoops of ON protein. I'm about to eat some tuna and chicken with broccli around 330. Then I'll prolly eat more chicken and tuna around 6 and a protein shake and scoop of ANPB around 8.
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BUT THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! If you dont eat some carbs youll waste away like an AIDS patient within 5 minutes after stepping into the gym!
 
im excited to see how this works next week when i do squats and push the prowler. Yesterday i was light headed from the prowler and it wooped my ass. I ate a full meal before this workout as well. Eggs toast and oatmeal. I hope i see a change eliminating the breakfast when I attempt this workout next monday.
 
jiggagold said:
im excited to see how this works next week when i do squats and push the prowler. Yesterday i was light headed from the prowler and it wooped my ass. I ate a full meal before this workout as well. Eggs toast and oatmeal. I hope i see a change eliminating the breakfast when I attempt this workout next monday.
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I'm a big xtend fan...watermelon is my fav! It's hard to find up here...usually have to order it!
 
wow you're surprised body weight exercises seemed easier on an empty stomach? Ps: still waiting on said pics
 
I've tried various schedules, and the only one that works for me is to eat a HEAVY breakfast (3 eggs and 1/2 cup plain oat meal, and 1/2 cup unsweetened apple sauce; same thing 365 days), at about 6, then do my office work, then work out at 10:00. At the beginning, I have a 2-scoop Muscle Milk shake, and then after I shower, I have lunch.

Working out on an empty stomach is probably impossible for me; not only because I get a stomach ache from hunger, but I have a medical problem which causes glucose crashes if I am active without food in me.

Charles
 
I am usually down with trying something different for lifting but I am utterly weakened if I do not have something in my stomach 1-2 hours before working out...

75th, are you juiced when lifting on an empty stomach? I am completely natural so that might be the difference if that's the case. That and I am cutting but even so, I have a complex carb for energy 1.5 hours beforehand. Just a half cup of oats, 1 scoop protein and two hard eggs...does the trick for me every time.
 
Bucszilla said:
I am usually down with trying something different for lifting but I am utterly weakened if I do not have something in my stomach 1-2 hours before working out...

75th, are you juiced when lifting on an empty stomach? I am completely natural so that might be the difference if that's the case. That and I am cutting but even so, I have a complex carb for energy 1.5 hours beforehand. Just a half cup of oats, 1 scoop protein and two hard eggs...does the trick for me every time.
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on the flipside eating too much of the wrong thing can also hurt my workouts.

if i have dairy, fatty food or too much sugary food (even those protein bars with all that sugar) will damage my workout.

I have to eat clean and nourishing food before.
 
Bucszilla said:
I am usually down with trying something different for lifting but I am utterly weakened if I do not have something in my stomach 1-2 hours before working out...

75th, are you juiced when lifting on an empty stomach? I am completely natural so that might be the difference if that's the case. That and I am cutting but even so, I have a complex carb for energy 1.5 hours beforehand. Just a half cup of oats, 1 scoop protein and two hard eggs...does the trick for me every time.
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I'm completely natural.

Most people I know who follow intermittent fasting are.
 
post pics


and day 2 of fasted workout, hit deads hard and went heavier than i have in a long time, was working with 370 for sets of 3
 
jiggagold said:
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and day 2 of fasted workout, hit deads hard and went heavier than i have in a long time, was working with 370 for sets of 3
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My pics are around. Ill repost a recent one when I get around to it.

Good job on the deads. Even though its physically impossible, of course.

Seriously, youll hit PRs left and right if you keep this up.
 
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