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M
*MissFit*
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Just wondering if anyone has any knowledge of this..
i couldnt find anything when i tried a search
i couldnt find anything when i tried a search
T
The Shadow
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knowledge of what exactly?
M
*MissFit*
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I was just doing some research on the net..
symptoms
complications
Can it come all of a sudden or something someone has all there lives.
For example.. Some women who havent done any steroids have facial hair that seems excessive
etc
symptoms
complications
Can it come all of a sudden or something someone has all there lives.
For example.. Some women who havent done any steroids have facial hair that seems excessive
etc
TiedToThickGirl
Banned
Here is an arcticle that I found....
What About Testosterone?
By Michael Born, M.D.
Gynecologic Surgery
(904) 953-2230
Testosterone is the "male hormone," right? Well, yes . . . and no. Testosterone is the primary reproductive or sexual hormone for men, just as estrogen is for women. However, women also produce small quantities of testosterone from their ovaries and adrenal glands. Despite the fact that normal testosterone levels in women are much lower than in men, the hormone plays an important role in maintaining a woman's health and well-being.
Testosterone levels decline in both men and women with advancing age. A woman's testosterone level begins to decline in the perimenopause (five to 10 years before menopause) and tends to stabilize at lower levels several years after menopause. Should a woman undergo a hysterectomy and removal of both ovaries, the decline in her testosterone level may be abrupt and steep. The contribution of total testosterone made by the ovaries and adrenal glands varies from one individual to the next. Consequently, not all women experiencing menopause will develop symptoms of testosterone deficiency. These symptoms include diminished libido, fatigue, decreased vigor and continued hot flashes despite adequate estrogen therapy. The symptoms of testosterone deficiency are sometimes vague and nonspecific. As an example, loss of libido, or interest in sex, can be caused by a number of factors other than low testosterone levels. Domestic or economic stress, medication and depression are just a few of the other possible causes of diminished libido. The same could be said for the other symptoms as well.
If the symptoms are nonspecific, how is a woman to know if they are caused by a declining testosterone level? Quite simply, by measuring the blood level in the laboratory. Your doctor can order a blood test for total testosterone, as well as free testosterone. Both values are important, but the free testosterone value is most important. The vast majority of testosterone is bound or attached to a protein in the blood. This combination of testosterone and protein is biologically inactive. It is the small amount of unbound or "free" testosterone that is biologically active. It is possible to have a total testosterone level within a normal rage, but at the same time have a free testosterone below normal. Under these circumstances, a woman could have symptoms of testosterone deficiency despite a normal total testosterone report. Conclusion: both total and free testosterone levels should be determined.
If the total and/or free testosterone levels are low, testosterone supplementation may be prescribed. Testosterone can be administered orally, by intramuscular injection, subcutaneous pellets or with creams or gels applied to the skin. Testosterone most frequently is given in combination with the standard estrogen and progesterone hormone replacement.
Benefits of appropriate testosterone replacement therapy include the reversal or marked improvement of the deficiency symptoms. One would expect to see a return of normal libido, decreased fatigue, increased vigor and possibly fewer hot flashes and improved sleep patterns. In addition, testosterone has been shown to augment the bone-building benefit of estrogen.
If given in high doses or to individuals who are particularly sensitive to testosterone, hair growth on the lip or chin, or deepening of the voice could occur. Generally, these effects are reversible once testosterone is discontinued. Changes in the lipid profile, specifically, lowering of HDL-cholesterol, tend to be small and not significant. However, if a woman has an elevated cholesterol, very low HDL or a strong family history of heart disease, she may not be a good candidate for testosterone therapy.
As we now know, testosterone is not just the "male hormone." It is clearly an important part of the hormonal makeup of both men and women
What About Testosterone?
By Michael Born, M.D.
Gynecologic Surgery
(904) 953-2230
Testosterone is the "male hormone," right? Well, yes . . . and no. Testosterone is the primary reproductive or sexual hormone for men, just as estrogen is for women. However, women also produce small quantities of testosterone from their ovaries and adrenal glands. Despite the fact that normal testosterone levels in women are much lower than in men, the hormone plays an important role in maintaining a woman's health and well-being.
Testosterone levels decline in both men and women with advancing age. A woman's testosterone level begins to decline in the perimenopause (five to 10 years before menopause) and tends to stabilize at lower levels several years after menopause. Should a woman undergo a hysterectomy and removal of both ovaries, the decline in her testosterone level may be abrupt and steep. The contribution of total testosterone made by the ovaries and adrenal glands varies from one individual to the next. Consequently, not all women experiencing menopause will develop symptoms of testosterone deficiency. These symptoms include diminished libido, fatigue, decreased vigor and continued hot flashes despite adequate estrogen therapy. The symptoms of testosterone deficiency are sometimes vague and nonspecific. As an example, loss of libido, or interest in sex, can be caused by a number of factors other than low testosterone levels. Domestic or economic stress, medication and depression are just a few of the other possible causes of diminished libido. The same could be said for the other symptoms as well.
If the symptoms are nonspecific, how is a woman to know if they are caused by a declining testosterone level? Quite simply, by measuring the blood level in the laboratory. Your doctor can order a blood test for total testosterone, as well as free testosterone. Both values are important, but the free testosterone value is most important. The vast majority of testosterone is bound or attached to a protein in the blood. This combination of testosterone and protein is biologically inactive. It is the small amount of unbound or "free" testosterone that is biologically active. It is possible to have a total testosterone level within a normal rage, but at the same time have a free testosterone below normal. Under these circumstances, a woman could have symptoms of testosterone deficiency despite a normal total testosterone report. Conclusion: both total and free testosterone levels should be determined.
If the total and/or free testosterone levels are low, testosterone supplementation may be prescribed. Testosterone can be administered orally, by intramuscular injection, subcutaneous pellets or with creams or gels applied to the skin. Testosterone most frequently is given in combination with the standard estrogen and progesterone hormone replacement.
Benefits of appropriate testosterone replacement therapy include the reversal or marked improvement of the deficiency symptoms. One would expect to see a return of normal libido, decreased fatigue, increased vigor and possibly fewer hot flashes and improved sleep patterns. In addition, testosterone has been shown to augment the bone-building benefit of estrogen.
If given in high doses or to individuals who are particularly sensitive to testosterone, hair growth on the lip or chin, or deepening of the voice could occur. Generally, these effects are reversible once testosterone is discontinued. Changes in the lipid profile, specifically, lowering of HDL-cholesterol, tend to be small and not significant. However, if a woman has an elevated cholesterol, very low HDL or a strong family history of heart disease, she may not be a good candidate for testosterone therapy.
As we now know, testosterone is not just the "male hormone." It is clearly an important part of the hormonal makeup of both men and women
TiedToThickGirl
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Sassy69 said:
Although I think CC may have been asking about increased levels. That article does not really discuss that.
Were you asking about effects of larger amounts of Test in a woman CC?
TTTG
TiedToThickGirl
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That depends on many things. Everybody reacts differently. Some side effects may go back to somewhat normal others you can deal with or manage...others you are stuck with for life. But there are many variables...
TTTG
TTTG
M
*MissFit*
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Yes i was 
The article was interesting as well though
The article was interesting as well though
TiedToThickGirl said:
I can't be a chronic condition such as in PolyCystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS) or can be an acute problem brought on by things such as puberty, high insulin/high carb diets, low estrogen levels etc...as important as total testosterone is free testosterone as well as the ratio of estrogen to testosterne. Thus many postmenopausal women have symptoms of excess T, but that's only becuase their estrogen is low and not always due to elevated T.
M
*MissFit*
Guest
ty.. this is more of what i was looking for
MS said:
Sassy69
New member
So really when you see a particularly androgenic feature that is opposite of the sex the person is, it isn't that its too much of the opposite hormone, but not enough of the same hormone - i.e. if you are female but have a mustache, you are low on estrogen, not high on testosterone?
Sassy69 said:
Well maybe, not necessarily though. Genetics play a large part as well. But there are certainly some women who naturally produce more test than the average woman. And in women it doesn't take much to have a profound impact on everything from facial hair to sex drive. It's no different in men. Some have levels of 300 and some have 1500 with a 300-1500 normal range. Which means the normal range is a pretty wide spread. But it's much easier to see in women even with no facial hair. Bunny for instance has high test levels.
M
*MissFit*
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I am getting my levels tested.. i think mine might be a bit high as well - waiting on test results...
(No facial hair though.. )
(No facial hair though..
) Ulter said:Well maybe, not necessarily though. Genetics play a large part as well. But there are certainly some women who naturally produce more test than the average woman. And in women it doesn't take much to have a profound impact on everything from facial hair to sex drive. It's no different in men. Some have levels of 300 and some have 1500 with a 300-1500 normal range. Which means the normal range is a pretty wide spread. But it's much easier to see in women even with no facial hair. Bunny for instance has high test levels.
nsashbl01
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My gf just had some labs drawn by her pc. Her Test was 27ng/dl (20-76) and DHEA was 163ng/dl (130-980). Both seemed low to me for an athete in her shape. All other values were in line, except low cholesterol, (130). I know low chol can lower test in men, but not sure in women. I'm bothered by these values and her doc is not. She wants to put some size on for Summer and is starting up with a trainer that has put many women on stage. Anyone know if she is working with a crutch? Ulter??
T
The Shadow
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nsashbl01 said:
What do you mean by crutch??
If she is competing in a non tested event...then opbviously, to have a shot, the playing field need to be level, genetics aside
nsashbl01
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The Shadow said:
By crutch I mean a handicap. I for instance have very low test naturally, so I was always a slow gainer. She seemed to get to the point where she looks like she trains easily, but has been slow to grow since. She can get lean easily and is strong, but has not gotten stronger as I'd expect for her training regiem. Thats why she had bloodwork.
