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WINSTROL vs MASTERON

Which one you prefer for hardness, vascularity and bloat control?

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igomad

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which one you guys prefer for hardness / vascularity / aggression / bloat control ?

I am currently running 400mg masteron prop EW and loving it, definitely helps with the test bloat

however I never tried winstrol as I've heard it's super bad for cholesterol and joints. Experiences? I have 3 vials at hand but still deciding if it's worth it

I have a show coming up in 3 months and want to get the most ripped i've ever been. I'm currently running test+tren+mast and thinking if I should substitute the masteron with winny later in the cycle? Despite the masteron and anastrozole and a super strict low sodium diet i'm using i'm still retaining quite a lot of water

thanks for any kind of advice
 
igomad said:
which one you guys prefer for hardness / vascularity / aggression / bloat control ?

I am currently running 400mg masteron prop EW and loving it, definitely helps with the test bloat

however I never tried winstrol as I've heard it's super bad for cholesterol and joints. Experiences? I have 3 vials at hand but still deciding if it's worth it

I have a show coming up in 3 months and want to get the most ripped i've ever been. I'm currently running test+tren+mast and thinking if I should substitute the masteron with winny later in the cycle? Despite the masteron and anastrozole and a super strict low sodium diet i'm using i'm still retaining quite a lot of water

thanks for any kind of advice
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How much water are you consuming a day pre contest?
 
winny for the anabolic mast for the androgenic...
 
C.K. said:
winny for the anabolic mast for the androgenic...
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They're totally different but masteron has made me a different person. It makes me feel like a fucking beast. Veiney and tight and just all around like a bad ass. I love what it does for my mood and personality.
 
Both produce lean, dry gains. Winny may put on a bit more muscle, but Mast will make a bigger change in your overall physique.
 
I think the winny look is hard to beat, but winny might give you severe joint problems so is it worth it? Nope. Masteron all the way.
 
louisiana said:
Hey nelson do people cycle winny and mast together?? If so will this cycle effect you libido in a neg or postive way?
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You can do whatever you want. It'd produce a super hard look. It'd be hard on the hairline if you're predisposed to it. Lipids won't love it. Effect on libido should be positive to a degree.
 
I'm running winny mast and proviron now :evil:
 
Never used mast except in a really big cycle so couldnt tell really. I love 40mg ed of winny, and never had joint problems... did 5 weeks. I know Stevesmi did even lower than that, down to 20 and still got great results. Great way to avoid joint sides.
 
i was one with severe joint issues after my 2nd cycle of winny. my knees are shot. I loved it during the first cycle but would NEVER rec it again after my knee issues
 
mast>winny in everyway.. except mast will put on alittle bit of muscle for me and mast wont really.You will get different opinions here though.
 
Going to be running Mast E for the first time this in about 4 weeks, then closer to my competition switch it to Mast P for final 8 weeks...excited to see what it will do for me...oh and liquid Winny too the last 8 weeks.

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muscleaddiction said:
Going to be running Mast E for the first time this in about 4 weeks, then closer to my competition switch it to Mast P for final 8 weeks...excited to see what it will do for me...oh and liquid Winny too the last 8 weeks.

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What is the reasoning for switching from mast e to prop? What would tha
t help with competition wise?]
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I'm running them both as we speak for my 16 week prep I'm in week 8 right now. My cycle looks like this

1-16 Test E 300mg eod
1-16 hgh 4iu ed
1-6 igf-1 100mcg ed
1-16 n2guard
1-14 EQ 200mg eod
1-16 Arimidex 1/2-1mg ed
4-16 T3 12.5-50 mcg ed
4-16 Clen 40-80 mcg ed
4-16 Tren A 50-150 eod
4-16 caber .5mg e3d
6-16 proviron 50-75mg ed
8-16 Mast P 100mg eod
9-16 winstrol 50mg ed
13-16 halotestin 5-15mg ed
14-16 letro .5mg ed
 
Winstrol for sure but mast has almost no sides. Depends what you prefer. Winny will keep you dryer IMO. If you have low enough body fat you'll see the dryness if winny more in other words.
 
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Keep in mind, Mast is a little hard on BP -- one of the reasons why you get so vascular. Other than that, it's pretty mild in reasonable dosage. So is winny in spite of the 17 AA. I wouldn't use either one for more than a month.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Keep in mind, Mast is a little hard on BP -- one of the reasons why you get so vascular. Other than that, it's pretty mild in reasonable dosage. So is winny in spite of the 17 AA. I wouldn't use either one for more than a month.
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Probably has a lot to do with the individual as well. I've never encountered a negative side from Masteron. Even my blood pressure was checked by a paramedic (work accident, long story) a month into my cycle of Test E at 600mg, Tren E at 400mg, and Masteron E at 400mg and it was still on the low and good side like it always is with me at 110/58
 
RickRock13 said:
Probably has a lot to do with the individual as well. I've never encountered a negative side from Masteron. Even my blood pressure was checked by a paramedic (work accident, long story) a month into my cycle of Test E at 600mg, Tren E at 400mg, and Masteron E at 400mg and it was still on the low and good side like it always is with me at 110/58
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Is this the cycle that you were on in your avatar ? Cause your fuckin diced haha! And I bet the IF had a positive Effect on your Bp as well. Such a healthy style of living and eating
 
rustilldown said:
Is this the cycle that you were on in your avatar ? Cause your fuckin diced haha! And I bet the IF had a positive Effect on your Bp as well. Such a healthy style of living and eating
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No, the avatar pic was back in march and was taken a couple days before my contest. At that time I was on test/Tren/winstrol and was 170.5 in the pic at 5% bodyfat. I got hard as nails and pretty grainy from the winstrol and loved it.

That's why it's so hard to pick a favorite between Masteron and winstrol for me. I love them both, but Masteron gets my vote simply because of the benefits vs sides. My libido is always through the roof on Masteron and I feel great on it. It can obviously also be ran for a long time, where winstrol is a pretty toxic oral that can't be ran very long, and it can play havoc on the joints too. At some point next time I do a prep, I will probably run them both together, and I can't Imagine just how hard and vascular you could get from the combination!
 
RickRock13 said:
No, the avatar pic was back in march and was taken a couple days before my contest. At that time I was on test/Tren/winstrol and was 170.5 in the pic at 5% bodyfat. I got hard as nails and pretty grainy from the winstrol and loved it.

That's why it's so hard to pick a favorite between Masteron and winstrol for me. I love them both, but Masteron gets my vote simply because of the benefits vs sides. My libido is always through the roof on Masteron and I feel great on it. It can obviously also be ran for a long time, where winstrol is a pretty toxic oral that can't be ran very long, and it can play havoc on the joints too. At some point next time I do a prep, I will probably run them both together, and I can't Imagine just how hard and vascular you could get from the combination!
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Might as well add proviron too :O
 
Although master on is probably the least toxic of them. You can do ridiculous amounts like 4 g a week of that shit pretty safely from what ive read
 
Or wait.... Masteron and proviron are very similar if not almost the same compound with a different way of administration aren't they?
 
RickRock13 said:
No, the avatar pic was back in march and was taken a couple days before my contest. At that time I was on test/Tren/winstrol and was 170.5 in the pic at 5% bodyfat. I got hard as nails and pretty grainy from the winstrol and loved it.

That's why it's so hard to pick a favorite between Masteron and winstrol for me. I love them both, but Masteron gets my vote simply because of the benefits vs sides. My libido is always through the roof on Masteron and I feel great on it. It can obviously also be ran for a long time, where winstrol is a pretty toxic oral that can't be ran very long, and it can play havoc on the joints too. At some point next time I do a prep, I will probably run them both together, and I can't Imagine just how hard and vascular you could get from the combination!
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Is there anything you take whilst on winny to reduce joint sides rick ?
 
Aussi muscle said:
Is there anything you take whilst on winny to reduce joint sides rick ?
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MSM, Glucosamine, and CSA work for me. Horse Chestnut works for some (just added it myself, so can't speak from experience yet).

Stacking at least a bit of some wet compound with it could also be a good idea, depending on how you respond to aromatizing compounds.

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northernknight said:
MSM, Glucosamine, and CSA work for me. Horse Chestnut works for some (just added it myself, so can't speak from experience yet).

Stacking at least a bit of some wet compound with it could also be a good idea, depending on how you respond to aromatizing compounds.

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Yeah il be running the winny at the end of my test E cycle, so il add some glucosamine and forma and see how that goes.
 
Aussi muscle said:
Is there anything you take whilst on winny to reduce joint sides rick ?
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Running some test with it usually helps a bit.
Cut back on any AI use.
Fish oil, msm, glucosamine and chondroitin may help but they dont address the real issue which is likely that estro is super low.
 
louisiana said:
Hey nelson do people cycle winny and mast together?? If so will this cycle effect you libido in a neg or postive way?
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I had libido problems during cycle and took only one shot, 100mg of Masteron convinced it would improve it but shut me down completely for 2 days. No any viagra helped.
 
I agree with radar....

The only true way is to supplement for it joint health... Most of the compounds that are drying you out will cause problems with joints....
 
Masteron, a synthetic form of DHT,thus it has no water retention due to aromatisation into beta estradiol.Alhtough it has a mild anabolic/androgenic value,it is a valuable tool during the pre-contest preparation,especialy during the final weeks.It can substitute the basic androgen,testosterone,since it does not have any impact on aromatase enzyme.
It's a good choice of the use of masterone EOD,since it has a significant shorter half life time.
 
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