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WINNY results HOLY COW!

Realgains

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My wife just finished 10 weeks of winstrol!

RESULTS
A 12 pound gain in lean body mass. She lost 2% fat as measued through through callipers. This is significant indeed especially since she is a hard gainer and only 5'2".
Stength increase was great....Squat went from 150 deep for 10 reps to 195 deep for reps. These are below parallel high bar squats. All other lifts went up a lot as well but the squat was the best.

She looks great and for the first time she is happy with her upper body appearance and strength.

DOSE
She used Cetabon winny, since it comes in 2mg pills and has been tested by a personal trainer friend in Canada as spot on.
Starting dose was 6 mg per day in three divided doses. We bump it up to 8mg after 4 weeks and then 10mg from weeks 7-10.

SIDES
Oily skin and hair and some zits on the shoulders but only a few.
Clit did expand a bit and sex drive did increase a bit bit nothing like when she was on test prop.
Nothing happened with her voice.

RG
:)
 
I am glad your wife did well Realgains. I did a winny cycle myself (injectable) and suffered with extreme water retention and some acne and voice change AFTER my last dose. Also have not had a period since September 26th (last shot was October 26).

Did your wife experience any water retention? My lifts did increase alot, I lost bodyfat (but did not measure) and did change the composition of my body. I gained about 16 pounds but 8 of it was lost as water in the 3 weeks after last shot was administered.....although 8 pounds is a bit more modest of a gain, it was over a 7 week period on a fairly tight caloric intake.

Thanks for posting her experience.
 
Winstrol injected is about 50% more effective at increasing nitrogen retention than the same dose taken orally. It seems that some winstrol is degraded in the gut. It would then make sence to say that the chances of virilization with any given dose is higher with the injectable than with the oral.

What dose of injectable were you on?...I would bet that it was more than 6-10mg per day.

She experience no water retention at all. I have heard that some people get water retention from winny. I can only assume it is from electrolyte imbalances, especially sodium.

RG:)
 
Hiya Realgains:D , hows it goin'?

Those are very good results from a relatively small dose of steroid, and considering that your wife is quite advanced as a bber.

Am currently taking 10mg/day winnie with 10mg/day oxymeth' (in 5 divided doses)

It seems fairly mild so far and I plan on adding 10mg day of decca or EQ soon.
 
oxymetholone?

"Those are very good results from a relatively small dose of steroid, and considering that your wife is quite advanced as a bber."

You'd be surprised what you can do with a low dose. Still has more to do with training and diet than the dose. Those that take AAS (legit product) and don't experience gains are usually overtrained or are not eating properly.

I just talked to a guy recently (powerlifter) who a couple of years ago was using around 1000 mg/wk of test. He's cut back on his training volume (trains smarter) and is now dosing with around 300 mg/wk. His strength is the same or better than it was when he was on 1000 mg/wk. He has less sides (water and acne) and far fewer joint problems from lifting heavy all the time.

W6
 
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yes oxymetholone, I have it on pretty good authority that it is relatively well tolerated by women and has been used ro thereapeutic purposes at doses of up to 50mg/day:)
 
RG -- thanks for the quick reply.

My doses were Zambon injectibles at 25mgs EOD from weeks 1-4 and then 25 mgs E36hrs from weeks 5-7. The water retention came hard in the second section but make no mistake -- it was there at week 2.

My next go around with winny was going to drink it but if you are suggesting the oral from would produce less water .. and since she made very nice gains, I would be inclined to revisit my decision.

And on an unrelated note, I love reading your posts. One in particular is about nandrolone phenyl prop, which I am seriously considering. You posts are always informative, well written and you are very generous with answering questions in a well thought out way without cutting the message short to save time. Much appreciated. As a matter of fact, you used to post on another board I am active on and then mysteriously stopped posting...I think the girls there join me in wishing you would post there again!

Anyway...thanks.
 
RG, welcome back, I wondered where you've been. That's great your wife had such positive results with the winny-and few sides.

My last dose (depot) of winny was august. During the cycle my joints were ok. They hurt sooo bad now. I can barely do curls. Do you think my joints will ever recover? I've even layed off training for a few weeks to see if that would help. It did a little but not much. You think the nan prop I stilll have would reverse this? OUCH!! :)
 
Surely the amount of sides relative to the amount of muscle gain would be the same whether the winny is injected or taken orally? it's just that the bioavailability is less when it is taken orally.
 
wilson6 said:
oxymetholone?

"Those are very good results from a relatively small dose of steroid, and considering that your wife is quite advanced as a bber."

You'd be surprised what you can do with a low dose. Still has more to do with training and diet than the dose. Those that take AAS (legit product) and don't experience gains are usually overtrained or are not eating properly.

I just talked to a guy recently (powerlifter) who a couple of years ago was using around 1000 mg/wk of test. He's cut back on his training volume (trains smarter) and is now dosing with around 300 mg/wk. His strength is the same or better than it was when he was on 1000 mg/wk. He has less sides (water and acne) and far fewer joint problems from lifting heavy all the time.

W6

W6 is absolutely on the money here......first one need to learn how to train without steroids....to start making gains without steroids.......and then when you keep the training pretty much the same and take a small dose of steroid, BOOM ,things take off.

My wife trains like I do and that is with high effort on a low volume of sets using compound movements almost exclusively, that is exercises that are multi joint and work more than one muscle group at a time. Also she trained INFREQUENTLY at only three days per week.
Two KEY EXERCISES were responsible for adding most of the mass and strength(including upper body) and that is the deep high bar squat and stiff leg deadlift( heavy with knees slightly bent, going down to only mid shin and with wrist starps)

IF isolation work is done it is done BEFORE compound work in order to pre-fatigue the target muscle group a bit.

She also increased her caloric intake and took 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight and thats about double what she takes while natural. The only supplements were a mega potency multi-vitiman, some extra E, C and calcium , whey protein isolate and Udo's Choice oil(omega 3 and 6 oils).

I insisted she sleep 8 hours per night...I got up for the kids at night. he he he

Here is her workout. Only work sets are listed. Rest between sets ranges fro 90 seconds to 3-4 minutes depending on the exercise. Squats and deads require 3-4 minutes....but we were not training for pure power so rests were not that long. This results in higher intensity and better mass gains.
Forced reps were done from time to time. Rest pause reps were more common...that is, after going until another rep would likely be impossible she would put the weight down and rest for 5-10 seconds and then pick it up and do a rep or two more .This woulkd be done twice.
NOTE: When natural train only to the point were the last rep you do is the very last good rep you could do and if you tried to do another rep you would likely get stuck. Rest pause work should be done infrequently and forced reps are usually too risky and leed to over training in most not on roids.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING and the GOLDEN FLEECE OF TRAINING is to try to add small to tiny amounts of weight to the bars each week. Early on in a training cycle on can add larger amounts to the bars but as the going gets tough the tiny weights need to come out. At this point even a 1 pound per week gain on the bench and a two pound gain on the squat is good progress. The 2.5 pounders are too much for when the going gets tough, ESPECIALLY for female lifters. Gee , after barely making 10 reps in the squat one week it would be highly unlikely for even a male steroid user to add 5 pounds to the bar the next week. SO GET SOME TINY PLATES and start and focus on MICRO LOADING for great progress.
www.fractionalplates.com

MONDAY

Hammer inclines 2 sets of 8
Hammer declines 2 sets of 8
Toe press in leg press machine 3 sets of 10-15. Patrials and rst pause after each set. DO THEM WITH FULL SLOW REPS!
Lying tricep extension 1 set of 8
Hammer bench with elbows in 2 sets of 8, OR close grip bench.

WEDNESDAY

SQUATS 2 work sets of 10-12 deep high bar squats. She can squat with good form very low and with no low back issues. Get flexible in the ankles. NEVER squat with heels elevated and NEVER use wraps unless you are doing very heavy triples or less.

Leg extension 1 set of 10-15
Hammer leg press DEEP 1 set of 10

NOTE: Don't waste your time doing lunges girls as they will do nothing for mass and strength. You want a butt?...then learn how to squat right...and no it won't make your butt too big but being fat will he he he ..sorry I just had to throw that in.

Leg curl 2 sets of 6-8
Stiff leg deadlifts 2 sest of 10
Shrugs 1 set of 10 with partails ater the 10
hyperextensions with weight 1 set of 10-15

Believe me the above workout will wipe you out if done correctly. Trouble is almost NOBODY trains the squat and deadlift correctly.

FRIDAY

Nautilus pull overs 1 sets of 10
Pulldowns with a shoulder width curl grip and with straps 2 sets of 8
Hammer rows 2 set of 8-10

laterals 1 set of 10 with partails after the ten until she couldn't move the weight
Hammer press 2 sets of 8
upright row 1 set of 8 with straps

Nautilus curls 1 set of 8
Barbell curl 2 sets of 8

wrist curl on slight decline 1 set of 10
occasionally a set of reverse curls for 8 with E-Z bar.

Good luck.
RG



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fitmedic said:
RG, welcome back, I wondered where you've been. That's great your wife had such positive results with the winny-and few sides.

My last dose (depot) of winny was august. During the cycle my joints were ok. They hurt sooo bad now. I can barely do curls. Do you think my joints will ever recover? I've even layed off training for a few weeks to see if that would help. It did a little but not much. You think the nan prop I stilll have would reverse this? OUCH!! :)

Usually the soreness come on during a cycle with winstrol if you are going to experience soreness at all and many do not. The nandrolone should help a bit.

The soreness could be from the big jump in weights used but more likely from over training. It is very unusual for winstrol to have lingering affect on the joints after a cycle, but it can happen in some sensitive people.

I would highly recommend that you never train more often than 3 days per week on a three way split training MONDAY-WEDNESDAY and FRIDAYS. Also limit your working sest to 2-5 sets per body part. Train hard but very strictly. See my post above.

RG:)
 
newgirl said:
RG -- thanks for the quick reply.

My doses were Zambon injectibles at 25mgs EOD from weeks 1-4 and then 25 mgs E36hrs from weeks 5-7. The water retention came hard in the second section but make no mistake -- it was there at week 2.

My next go around with winny was going to drink it but if you are suggesting the oral from would produce less water .. and since she made very nice gains, I would be inclined to revisit my decision.

And on an unrelated note, I love reading your posts. One in particular is about nandrolone phenyl prop, which I am seriously considering. You posts are always informative, well written and you are very generous with answering questions in a well thought out way without cutting the message short to save time. Much appreciated. As a matter of fact, you used to post on another board I am active on and then mysteriously stopped posting...I think the girls there join me in wishing you would post there again!

Anyway...thanks.

Thanx for the kind words.

Drinking it would be the same as taking a pill. The injectable is 17 aa to help protect it from the gut just like the pills. Water retention , if any, would be the same.
In my experience water rention from winstrol is rare.

You could drink the stuff, just be sure to measure it out correctly. I suggest a tuberculine syringe for measuring. Then add water and drink.

RG:)
 
Great post RG.

"and then when you keep the training pretty much the same and take a small dose of steroid, BOOM ,things take off. "

Exactly.

Most people will start adding weight or intensity like crazy when they go on a cycle, overtrain, develop joint pain and limit their gains then figure they need more juice. At some point they have to stop the cycle and are left with an overtrained, beat up body in a catabolic state and they blame the drugs. What's worse is that many are already overtrained before they start a cycle, then train even harder and make matters even worse. Then come off and they are really f***ed.

If you aren't relatively pain free and making some gains without AAS, then considering a cycle is not the first thing you should be thinking about. The first thing should be to analyze the training and diet, get rid of the pain, start making positive progress, then consider what you will.

If you learn to train smart, get adequate rest and eat right, a small amount of juice will go a long way and reduce the risk of sides and lessen the crash when you come off.

W6
 
Medusa said:
Surely the amount of sides relative to the amount of muscle gain would be the same whether the winny is injected or taken orally? it's just that the bioavailability is less when it is taken orally.



It is best to not inject winstrol if you are a woman because the injectable forms a crystal like deposit that takes about a week to clear so if sides come on you are stuck waiting for the stuff to clear. Taken orally winstrol will clear in less than 24 hours.

Also the dose taken IM needs to be very low due to the higher bioavailability it has over the oral.

6-8 or maybe 10 mg per day taken orally is usually pretty safe but taken IM the dose should be cut down. About 50% more oral wintrol is needed in order to see the nitrogen raising affect of an IM dose. 25 mg of winstrol taken IM every other day would be 12.5 per day and this would roughly be the same as taking about 18.5 mg per day orally, and that is quite a bit of winstrol for a women to take IMHO.

RG:)
 
One of the reasons women probably see less sides with the oral winny is: 1) reduced bioavailability due to first hepatic pass, and 2) the IM route provides a potentially much higher blood level after a single injection.

The IM route also results in the metabolites of prior use to hang around for much longer (months) periods of time because some of the suspension may get into fat deposits and be released either very slowly or during times of fat loss (dieting).

W6
 
Thanks RG, I have already cut down my training to 2 days per week. Soreness is better but still there when I put pressure on my joints. :(
 
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