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Why Take Nolvadex?

Nelson Montana

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I know this opens up a can of worms for some people, but I'm going to get it out one more time.

There is no reason to take nolvadex other than to treat gyno. THE END.

It DOES NOT restore the HPTA. I repeat, it DOES NOT restore HPTA.

Maybe you didn't read that right. IT DOES NOT RESTORE THE HPTA.

I know the typical answers. Let's address them.

"It's what everyone does."

Yeah, well a lot of people do lots of stupid shit. Next.


" If it doesn't work why is it always recommended."

Good point. It's always recommended because it was the first form of PCT -- discovered by Dan Duchaine who realized that an anti breast tumore medication can prevent gyno. He was right. he also admitted it was a shitty drug with lots of negative side effects. But back then, deca and dbol was the most popular stack and gyno was pretty prevalent. This morphed into people thinking it was an essential part of PCT.

"It works for me!"

Are you sure? Most people THINK something worked because they didn;t get the feared side effects. It's like THINKING a homeopathic medicine helped if you didn't get the flu. NO. You just didn't get a flu. The homeopathic shit did nothing. Maybe...MAYBE, if your estrogen is low, it'll help libido since it adds estrogen. (People mistakenly think estrogen is HIGH after a cycle, but that's not necessarily the case). More often than not, it destroys libido.

And by the way, since Clomid is almost an exact strucural clone of Nolva, the same principals can be applied.

And the ever popular...

"Here's a study."

Most people don't know how to read studies, otherwise they'd see how flawed they are. They do however love to POST them. There is not a single case where testosterone was elevated and stayed elevated so please DO NOT post studies because they WILL NOT show that and I'm not in the mood to explain it for the hundredth time.


And of course, I'm accused of wanting to push my products. I've even been called irresponsible. That pisses me off.

Look, I don't just buy products and tell people not to use proper medication when needed. I'm not an asshole. The products were designed specifically to help the body restore the HPTA. Just because something is a medicine doesn't make it more legit - especially since it is not a medicine to help suppressed HPTA's. It's an anti breast cancer medicine.

Now, it doesn't make me one single cent whether you use nolvadex or not. If you like it, fine. You should still use the supps because they'll only help. I'm just seeing a lot of noobs lately that sound like their knowledge is from 1990 literature.

Change comes slowly.

End of rant. It just really gets to me when I see people misinformed and other misinformed people giving more misinformation. Nolvadex sucks and is unnecessary. No one who has done a proper PCT without it ever says they'd go back to using nolva. It really just sucks.
 
Then what would you Recomend I was about to get some nolva...thanks for the info bro



HCG

UNLEASHED

POST CYCLE

An anti aromatase if needed

Followed by BRIDGE


And give yourself enough time before starting another cycle. Most people say time on equals time off but I think recovery is more solid if you take twice as long off.
 
I have no idea why you bash it so much. It works and you know it,as well as many others who have before and after blood tests. Theres no reason why you cannot use nolvadex along with whatever otc pct items you want. But to cut out something that is tried and true is nonsense.

if you feel a product is superior then another thats fine, but to say its worthless compared to another really isnt being fair
 
dammit and I was thinking of running nolva/clomid for my pct since there's no bridge/hcgenerate/phystoserms :(
 
I have no idea why you bash it so much.


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For the reasons stated.

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It works and you know it,

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It works to prevent gyno, that's it. I know that.


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as well as many others who have before and after blood tests.


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I've seen more blood tests where T was suppressed after using nolva so I don't know what you're looknig at.



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Theres no reason why you cannot use nolvadex along with whatever otc pct items you want. But to cut out something that is tried and true is nonsense.

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The fact that you think it's "tried and true" is nonsense. It's a myth -- like throwing salt over your shoulder for good luck. And I can think of a few reasons starting with loss of libido, lowered IGF, elevated estrogen, headaches, nausea and impotence.



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if you feel a product is superior then another thats fine, but to say its worthless compared to another really isnt being fair

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I believe that's what I said. If someone has gyno, I'd recommend nolva. If you want to avoid a crash after a cycle, you're usually better off without it.



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Nice post.

Ok so say I finish a cycle of test e at 500mg a week, what should my PCT look like in terms of length with the products you recommended (excluding nolva and clomid)?
 
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