Why not just clomid

[caveolae]

Probably a question more for the veterans. Many scientific studies have now shown that clomid is effective in raising test levels; indeed, clomid increases T levels to a similar level as testosterone applied as a gel. This of course is why it is used so much for PCT.

My question, why don't people just use clomid sort of as a 'beginner cycle' and not bother with the AAS? I realize that clomid will not increase T levels as much as AAS and that 'harder' cycles will be wanted eventually......has anyone any experience of just using clomid alone and seen any improvements at the gym etc?

Thanks for your time,.

 

[caveolae]

bumping this

 

[jtmdell]

It may help if you have low test levels, but it's not something that is going to help you make great gains in the gym. Bear in mind that clomid will lower igf levels.

Throw in the moodiness and anxiety that some people get from it and it's not really worth it if you don't need it.

Honestly you'd be far better off with something like sarms if you didn't want to use aas.

 

[Stackinplates]

Clomid jacked up my vision .. Hate that shit.. Still have ocular disturbances almost a year later......

Would not ever use that again

 

[Corpsegrinder]

Probably a question more for the veterans. Many scientific studies have now shown that clomid is effective in raising test levels; indeed, clomid increases T levels to a similar level as testosterone applied as a gel. This of course is why it is used so much for PCT.

My question, why don't people just use clomid sort of as a 'beginner cycle' and not bother with the AAS? I realize that clomid will not increase T levels as much as AAS and that 'harder' cycles will be wanted eventually......has anyone any experience of just using clomid alone and seen any improvements at the gym etc?

Thanks for your time,.

Makes no sense at all, steroids are used for increasing protein synthesis, nothing else, I can assure Clomid won't.

If you can grow with Clomid that means your are small and you have no business looking for drugs for enhancing your muscle growth.

 

[Corpsegrinder]

Clomid jacked up my vision .. Hate that shit.. Still have ocular disturbances almost a year later......

Would not ever use that again

Crazy...

I use Clomid, in PCT of course, bought directly from a drugstore and I have no sides at all, can't tell that I'm using it.

 

[Stackinplates]

Ur lucky mine was straight fri the pharmacy my doctor prescribed it.. The more I read about it the scarier it was

My eyes are way to important to be messin around with

 

[scooby1]

Guys im hoping someone could help
Im 40 and been training and juicing for 10 plus years and never did any pct
Now the past year ive been having lot of issues with erections and being sexually stimulated at all not to mention my new wife wants babies and got my results from dr n count is almost 0 for test and or semen
He just starting giving me hcg n thiught it worked for minute but not really 1000 mcg every three days ?
I need to feel like old me again and get my numbers up and him up asap
Im loosing my mind any help would be more then appreciated

 

[j_p]

Guys im hoping someone could help
Im 40 and been training and juicing for 10 plus years and never did any pct
Now the past year ive been having lot of issues with erections and being sexually stimulated at all not to mention my new wife wants babies and got my results from dr n count is almost 0 for test and or semen
He just starting giving me hcg n thiught it worked for minute but not really 1000 mcg every three days ?
I need to feel like old me again and get my numbers up and him up asap
Im loosing my mind any help would be more then appreciated

I would continue the HCG and also use CLomid while trying to have babies. plus your over 40 and might need to be on hrt now... if on hrt, add clomid while trying to have babies to help odds.

 

[scooby1]

Hrt ?

 

[FunKoMaN]

Hormone replacement therapy.

 

[j_p]

Hrt ?

Hormone Replacement Therapy . when on it it shuts you down more so, but replaces the levels lacking. when on hrt chances are it will greatly lower your chances of having a baby, so if your on hrt and ready to try and get her preg, hop on clomid and/or hcg. i rec clomid for 1-2 months while trying to get a baby going. it will help odds.

 

[scooby1]

Thank you very much , im really having hard time i feel like its my secret and keep hoping it just is bad nightmare , im gonna just take hcg at 1000mcg every other day and 50 mg clomid
Im ok if it takes a lil while but just want to know it will fix my problem as i said i cant even get erection or have any sex drive at all
As this is comibg from a guy who was arroused what seemed like 24/7 and now feels nothing so im having anxiety over it which doesn't help but hard not to considering how i feel

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Ur lucky mine was straight fri the pharmacy my doctor prescribed it.. The more I read about it the scarier it was

My eyes are way to important to be messin around with

-Vision disturbances caused by serms are due to oxidative stress. A simple anti oxidant in all likelihood would remedy this side for you altogether.*

-OP here is the thing. Take for example arimidex. Administration of arimidex to young healthy resistance trained males resulted in a 58% increase in testosterone levels. That being said the administration of the arimidex, even over an extended period of time did not result in any changes in body composition over the control group at all.
Now I know Arimidex isnt clomiphene however the increases in T levels between the 2 drugs are very comparable. The point being unless you suffer from low T clomid would not increase your test levels enough to make any changes in your body composition what so ever.

* http://ebm.sagepub.com/content/229/7/607.full

 

[scooby1]

?? Im lost do or not do

 

[stevesmi]

because it isn't an anabolic steroid and doesn't do what they do at all.

it is a drug that manipulates your HPTA into producing more LH and test.

 

[scooby1]

What do you recommend then id appreciate any help , thanks

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Id recommend shooting ur hcg everyday around 500 ius... 50mg of clomid, 1mg of arimidex, n a over the counter pct in a bottle should do the trick

 

[scooby1]

Thank you for all your help
Im just curious is this something you've been through or just experience and knowledge is where you recommend from thx

 

[SoCalMK6GTI]

because it isn't an anabolic steroid and doesn't do what they do at all.

it is a drug that manipulates your HPTA into producing more LH and test.

My clomid arrives in a few days and I'm actually using it strictly for this reason. My last blood work showed really low Test levels and although they are "within range" they have lowered over the years and now I'm pulling muscles, not getting quality sleep, having some fatigue and moodiness. After reading numerous studies about low test and the effects and also numerous threads and pubmed pages on Clomids use in TRT patients, I decided to start with 12.5mg/day clomid and do blood work at intervals for 2 months with the intention of raising my natural levels before even considering an AAS cycle.

 

[scooby1]

Do you know if ok to take hcg n clomid same time