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why has biotest becoming sucky?
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riskybizz007
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MD6 was awesome i thought, Surge from what people stated was also very good, their MRP tastes good, and their Tribulus is suppossed to be one of the best... their Ribose and Methoxy are worthless i think. Why do they suck? b/c they're hyping up a supplement? I know of very few companies that wont do that.
Travbedaman
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How are they not legit now????? And by turning into another Weider, you mean exactly what? I think your analogy is poor.
Travbedaman
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Just because a product doesn`t work for you doesn`t mean none of them will...besides I don`t care what brand of methoxy you take (Biotest has the best one by the way), the most gains the average person would probably see is a few pounds after a month or two tops. Methoxy is best at preserving muscle on a low calorie diet.
riskybizz007
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Methoxy is a scam IMO. HMB was another scam. Ecdy... was another scam. My point is this, most companies will sell you this crap to make a few quick bucks off you, it's all about hype. But at least half of Biotests products are decent. They may not always be honest, but they do have decent products out there.
Whats up bros. How are you guys doing. Listen, I tried some Biotest products in the past. the Tribex500 was pretty good. I was switching back and forth between it and tribestan. did not see any difference. When I was taking it for some reason my lifts went up and I had a bit more energy. I am presently off of it and my strength has gone down slightly. I would take it more often if I could afford to. I already stack creatine, protein and glutamine and when I have the extra cash I will use the Tribex 500/Tribestan supps. I have also tried the Androsol in the past. It was ok however prohormones dont really work for me but from what I have been reading in the posts is that it seems to be wel liked for people who do use prohormones. I think all in all Biotest is a good company, but hey everyone has to make a living so I can understand some of the hype on the methoxys etc.
The Cardinal
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Dude, too bad about your experience with Biotest, but mine have been great! Androsol and Nandrosol were good, but I gotta tell you, I'm on day 11 of a two week Mag-10 cycle, and I'm up 7 pounds of muscle as well as experiencing increased strength and endurance gains in all of the "big" lifts.
I'm also 45 years old, and I sure as hell can distinguish a placebo effect versus the real deal. I've been able to do four "two-a-days" so far, and recovery has been phenomenal despite the fact I'm using a single dose per day.
I'm sharing this with those of you who have an open mind, or are just plain curious about Biotest/mag-10. However, for anyone who wants to "flame" me or accuse me of being a shill for Biotest, be my guest - I'm simply telling you about my experience, and I really don't give a damn whether you believe me or not.
I'm also 45 years old, and I sure as hell can distinguish a placebo effect versus the real deal. I've been able to do four "two-a-days" so far, and recovery has been phenomenal despite the fact I'm using a single dose per day.
I'm sharing this with those of you who have an open mind, or are just plain curious about Biotest/mag-10. However, for anyone who wants to "flame" me or accuse me of being a shill for Biotest, be my guest - I'm simply telling you about my experience, and I really don't give a damn whether you believe me or not.
The Cardinal
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The Mag-10 label lists 300 mg. of "Mag-10 Foprmula***." Under "*** Ingredients,"
"4-androstenediol ethylcarbonate ester, 17-hydroxyandrost-1-ene-3-one ethylcarbonate ester" are listed.
"4-androstenediol ethylcarbonate ester, 17-hydroxyandrost-1-ene-3-one ethylcarbonate ester" are listed.
The Cardinal
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...and oh, Par Deus, while I respect your style and concede that you are entitled to your opinion - it ain't "us" my friend. I'm just another, hard-working consumer who cares about his health and looks (who lives in Georgia and IS NOT, OR NEVER HAS BEEN, EMPLOYED OR ASSOCIATED WITH BIOTEST, T- Mag, etc...), and who has spent gobs of time and money over the years on a few products that have worked, and many more that haven't - so as I previously stated, believe what you want.
It's funny...methinks those who continually attack the posters on this board who post about good experiences with certain products - be they Biotest's or anyone else's - are the ones's who are truly suspect with regard to agendas, hidden or otherwise! For me, it's simple - I like their style too, and their prohormones continue work. But I sure as heck don't presume to speak for others...I simply want to provide a balanced view for those readers who come to this board for the same reason I do - to share, learn, and read about which products work, and which one's don't.
For all I know, Avant Labs' products are great - I simply haven't tried any to date (except for the Lipoderm-Y) - but if I do, it will be because I believe your products contain what you say they do and based on this, there is some real-world evidence that they MAY work for many individuals, not necessarily that they WILL work for every single individual, including yours truly. However, an uneventful experience would not necessarily cause me to openly trash your product - realistically, I would only be able to relate my own experience.
One more thing for those who are curious about women using Mag-10 - my GF decided to try Mag-10, and is taking slightly over half the recommended dosage, and so far (she's 44 years old and is on day 8), she has experienced very good strength and endurance gains with no masculizing effects (thank goodness!).
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It's funny...methinks those who continually attack the posters on this board who post about good experiences with certain products - be they Biotest's or anyone else's - are the ones's who are truly suspect with regard to agendas, hidden or otherwise! For me, it's simple - I like their style too, and their prohormones continue work. But I sure as heck don't presume to speak for others...I simply want to provide a balanced view for those readers who come to this board for the same reason I do - to share, learn, and read about which products work, and which one's don't.
For all I know, Avant Labs' products are great - I simply haven't tried any to date (except for the Lipoderm-Y) - but if I do, it will be because I believe your products contain what you say they do and based on this, there is some real-world evidence that they MAY work for many individuals, not necessarily that they WILL work for every single individual, including yours truly. However, an uneventful experience would not necessarily cause me to openly trash your product - realistically, I would only be able to relate my own experience.
One more thing for those who are curious about women using Mag-10 - my GF decided to try Mag-10, and is taking slightly over half the recommended dosage, and so far (she's 44 years old and is on day 8), she has experienced very good strength and endurance gains with no masculizing effects (thank goodness!).
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Cardinal,
I was mostly fucking with you. I looked at your posting history, and you have been attacked as a shill after basically every post, to the point where you have to put a disclaimer (and, like it or not, your writing style DOES sound like an ad -- most people use terrible grammar/broken sentences -- yours is fairly formal, and they rarely use explamation marks and you use them a fair amount.
I have no idea if you are legit or not -- either way, it seemed funny to me to fuck with you about it.
ParDeus
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I was mostly fucking with you. I looked at your posting history, and you have been attacked as a shill after basically every post, to the point where you have to put a disclaimer (and, like it or not, your writing style DOES sound like an ad -- most people use terrible grammar/broken sentences -- yours is fairly formal, and they rarely use explamation marks and you use them a fair amount.
I have no idea if you are legit or not -- either way, it seemed funny to me to fuck with you about it.
ParDeus
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www.avantlabs.com
fhg43
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I used BioTest T2 with some degree of success. I feel it was a good supplement. I used pretty high dosages for a long time, but I think it helped cut BF. I do take all their ads w/a grain of salt. I prefer to do research on my own and then purchase products that will suit my needs and not just try the latest thing.
FHG
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I was a loyal Biotest person for the last 2 years, and did get some good gains off their nandrosol, and I think that their Tribex is pretty good also. Unfortunatly about 6 to 8 months ago they began changing their style and format, as well as their marketing style. From there, a new crop of people entered the forums, and what was previously mostly experienced lifters, with basic courtesy and proper grammer became "How duz I get royidz???" kind of posts, with seeming dumb ass 16 year olds flaming and providing absolutely nothing of value. I still respect people like Bill Roberts, and I find Shuggs to be a pretty good guy as well, but overall, I really wasn't getting much info from there anymore.
Seemingly their marketing campaigns became targeted to these types of dumb ass 16 year olds as well in that time, because they went from using a large amount of scientific information and backup with their products to "This stuff will make you (put in HUGE, RIPPED, CUT or your favorite word here) with very little scientific backup. Any of us who have been in the game for a while have a pretty low tolerance for hype (after all..how much have most of us been scammed..lets see, cybergenics, Hot Stuff, HMB, etc.)
When Mag-10 came out, it was the very first time that they would not even TELL you what % of prohormones were in their products (just telling you 300 grams per serving of 1-test and 4-ad..no % of each). To me, as soon as a company starts with "secret formulas" it is time to watch your wallet. Just my opinion. To me it is a shame, they really did start out well.
Seemingly their marketing campaigns became targeted to these types of dumb ass 16 year olds as well in that time, because they went from using a large amount of scientific information and backup with their products to "This stuff will make you (put in HUGE, RIPPED, CUT or your favorite word here) with very little scientific backup. Any of us who have been in the game for a while have a pretty low tolerance for hype (after all..how much have most of us been scammed..lets see, cybergenics, Hot Stuff, HMB, etc.)
When Mag-10 came out, it was the very first time that they would not even TELL you what % of prohormones were in their products (just telling you 300 grams per serving of 1-test and 4-ad..no % of each). To me, as soon as a company starts with "secret formulas" it is time to watch your wallet. Just my opinion. To me it is a shame, they really did start out well.
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