why has biotest becoming sucky?

[The Cardinal]

The Mag-10 label lists 300 mg. of "Mag-10 Foprmula***." Under "*** Ingredients,"
"4-androstenediol ethylcarbonate ester, 17-hydroxyandrost-1-ene-3-one ethylcarbonate ester" are listed.

 

[The Cardinal]

...and oh, Par Deus, while I respect your style and concede that you are entitled to your opinion - it ain't "us" my friend. I'm just another, hard-working consumer who cares about his health and looks (who lives in Georgia and IS NOT, OR NEVER HAS BEEN, EMPLOYED OR ASSOCIATED WITH BIOTEST, T- Mag, etc...), and who has spent gobs of time and money over the years on a few products that have worked, and many more that haven't - so as I previously stated, believe what you want.

It's funny...methinks those who continually attack the posters on this board who post about good experiences with certain products - be they Biotest's or anyone else's - are the ones's who are truly suspect with regard to agendas, hidden or otherwise! For me, it's simple - I like their style too, and their prohormones continue work. But I sure as heck don't presume to speak for others...I simply want to provide a balanced view for those readers who come to this board for the same reason I do - to share, learn, and read about which products work, and which one's don't.

For all I know, Avant Labs' products are great - I simply haven't tried any to date (except for the Lipoderm-Y) - but if I do, it will be because I believe your products contain what you say they do and based on this, there is some real-world evidence that they MAY work for many individuals, not necessarily that they WILL work for every single individual, including yours truly. However, an uneventful experience would not necessarily cause me to openly trash your product - realistically, I would only be able to relate my own experience.

One more thing for those who are curious about women using Mag-10 - my GF decided to try Mag-10, and is taking slightly over half the recommended dosage, and so far (she's 44 years old and is on day 8), she has experienced very good strength and endurance gains with no masculizing effects (thank goodness!).

Finis

 

[Par Deus]

Cardinal,

I was mostly fucking with you. I looked at your posting history, and you have been attacked as a shill after basically every post, to the point where you have to put a disclaimer (and, like it or not, your writing style DOES sound like an ad -- most people use terrible grammar/broken sentences -- yours is fairly formal, and they rarely use explamation marks and you use them a fair amount.

I have no idea if you are legit or not -- either way, it seemed funny to me to fuck with you about it.

ParDeus
Big Mf'r #4 -- Now on-line!
www.avantlabs.com

 

[fhg43]

I used BioTest T2 with some degree of success. I feel it was a good supplement. I used pretty high dosages for a long time, but I think it helped cut BF. I do take all their ads w/a grain of salt. I prefer to do research on my own and then purchase products that will suit my needs and not just try the latest thing.

FHG

 

[wardog]

I was a loyal Biotest person for the last 2 years, and did get some good gains off their nandrosol, and I think that their Tribex is pretty good also. Unfortunatly about 6 to 8 months ago they began changing their style and format, as well as their marketing style. From there, a new crop of people entered the forums, and what was previously mostly experienced lifters, with basic courtesy and proper grammer became "How duz I get royidz???" kind of posts, with seeming dumb ass 16 year olds flaming and providing absolutely nothing of value. I still respect people like Bill Roberts, and I find Shuggs to be a pretty good guy as well, but overall, I really wasn't getting much info from there anymore.

Seemingly their marketing campaigns became targeted to these types of dumb ass 16 year olds as well in that time, because they went from using a large amount of scientific information and backup with their products to "This stuff will make you (put in HUGE, RIPPED, CUT or your favorite word here) with very little scientific backup. Any of us who have been in the game for a while have a pretty low tolerance for hype (after all..how much have most of us been scammed..lets see, cybergenics, Hot Stuff, HMB, etc.)

When Mag-10 came out, it was the very first time that they would not even TELL you what % of prohormones were in their products (just telling you 300 grams per serving of 1-test and 4-ad..no % of each). To me, as soon as a company starts with "secret formulas" it is time to watch your wallet. Just my opinion. To me it is a shame, they really did start out well.