Stims have their place. every now and then I like a double espresso before a leg workout. The problems begin when people become dependant on them, lose a few pounds, and think that's the answer. The weight always comes back plus more.
Stilleto: what aren't you getting? The point is CN stims don't work for fat loss. My product and Anthony's aren't CN stims -- maybe the only two on the market.
Maybe this is why it's such a hard sell. People don't understand there's a difference. They think fat burner = stim. That's wrong. It's radical now but in 5 years it will be common knowledge and stims will be a thing of the past except as a quick energy booster.