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Why does size not always mean strength?

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Legion Kreinak2

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Alright, I'm really starting to wonder about this now. I only know general stuff about this... so can someone tell me why size doesn't necessarily mean strength? My friend James is alot bigger than me, both cold and flexed, and I'm still MUCH stronger... it's so fucked up.
 
experience, bf%, CNS, limb length, joints...thats just a couple that i can think of
 
no one is the same man. for example here are i have two specific friends... one about 5 inchs smaller, lighter in weright that can out lift me like crazy at this point in time. i have another friend that weighs about 280. i can out lift him with no problems. the smaller guy weighing at 150 can out lift him too. but the 280 guy can pick me up and throw me around like i weigh nothing. it is weird i suppose.
 
All of you guys bring up good points. I knew a guy who weighed 142lbs and had 21 inch legs, but he could squat 455lbs. . . .he was a powerlifter. Talk about CNS adaptation, the human body is strange and complex.
 
Genetics or motivation?

I don't know about any one else, but I am A bit of both. I posted a thread on my pre training size and strength, (and you will definatley laugh at my first lifts), and while not the strongest man in the world, I can still move alot of iron after fifteen years.

But my overall strength was greater at 225 as a powerlifter (natural), than now as a bodybuilder ( juiced). All I can tell you was that the aproaches were different, in powerlifting you focused solely on the lift, and in bodybuilding you focus much more deeply on the muscles. In Powerlifting comp's I would just go animalistic for a lift as long as it was good, and didn't want to feel the muscles, just lift. But as soon as I switched to bodybuilding teqniques, I halfed my powerlifting weights and started getting bigger alot faster.

Maybe strength is all relative to intensity.
As long as I keep getting stronger in at least one bodypart at all times then at least I am making progress.

Katana
 
when you train for size you are only basically making the muscle fibers thicker.

when you train for strength, you are teaching the muscle fibers to contract in unison and get more of the other fibers in the muscle to join in and "help".

you have other things in your muscles that will stop the muscle contracting if there is too much tension. This is in place so you dont injure tendons/muscles etc.

when you train for strength these warning signals learn that the body/muscles are capable of a tiny bit more tension....so they ease up a bit and set a higher mark for dangerous tensions

sorry if this is too basic
 
Yup, thats why its called bodybuilding, You can grow tissue without necessarily getting much stronger. Training for strength seems to keep you a bit smaller but strength goes way up. Its all in your training styles and genetics. In highschool i knew this little dude, maybe 150lbs tops at 16 years old, during our weight room visits in gym class he'd bench press 450 lbs 3 reps. Freaky strength for his size. not to mention he never worked out. I'm the exact opposite, i look a lot stronger than i am.

I think genetics plays a major part in that.

Scaggs
 
He was 16 and could rep 450 at 150?? Well talk about destroying numerous state, National, And world records.. No offence to you but I find that to be well beyond believable... But God forbid I'm wrong we will definitly hear about him in the future.
 
I'm much weaker than I look. Been that way ever since I started. I gain muscle fairly easily but strength gains come slow. Does this mean I don't have much fast twitch fibers? If so, then how come I'm relatively large, lean and muscular? Not complaining, I see guys who don't look much anything, size and muscle shape wise, and still lift impressive weight and wouldn't want to be one of them. Then again, I will never be able to powerlift.
 
Genetics, CNS adaptation, number and size of fast and or slow twitch muscle fibers, limb length, experience, type of training, leverage, diet, metabolism, etc. It just depends bro.
 
bottom line is CNS in my opinion... a lot of this stuff is "in your head" as it were...

genetics aside, strength is teaching yourself on a neural leval to use more muscle fibers... I think the body protects itself from over exertion so that you'll have some reserve power in an emergency...

this is also why you hear of people having super-human strength in fight or flight situations... lifting cars off of people and such... the muscle fibers are there, it's just a matter of learning to utilize them.

on an interesting tangent, ever hear the term "retard strength"? it's kindof crude, but autistic and other mentally retarded people often seem have a lot more strength... something in their neural wiring I suppose... friend of mine's mother works with autistics, and it took 4 male teachers to restrain this 6th grade kid when he got pissed off.

Forrest
Forrest
 
I think the connection that I'm still having trouble getting people to make, is that size does not lead to strength in all cases, but strength DOES lead to size in most cases. This is why I think 5x5, WSB variations, and other similar "old school" methods that don't draw a line between size and strength, are FAR superior.

Like I said before, put any seasoned powerlifter on a cutting diet, and watch the bodybuilding world get alot more competitive.

For further evidence, please see Needsize. ;)
 
Once you get past the different body structures and leverages which is out of your control...it comes down to the CNS I think.

Just because you have ALOT of muscle...does not mean that your body knows how to use it.....muscle recruitment is a major factor..IMO.
 
Dont forget about all the morons out there that shoot up on synthol. In their case, size definately DOES NOT mean strength.
 
So, CCJ, how do you suggest one goes across CNS training mainly? The 5x5 borders that I believe, yes?

Basically, it seems like there's no reason to do anything but CNS training. So many people have muscle, but just can't utilize what they have. Wouldn't it be great to see a guy with half some other guy's muscle, but twice as much recruitment (if you can put it in such a way) and watch them fight? Oh, so fun, t'would be.
 
Legion Kreinak2 said:
So, CCJ, how do you suggest one goes across CNS training mainly? The 5x5 borders that I believe, yes?

Basically, it seems like there's no reason to do anything but CNS training. So many people have muscle, but just can't utilize what they have. Wouldn't it be great to see a guy with half some other guy's muscle, but twice as much recruitment (if you can put it in such a way) and watch them fight? Oh, so fun, t'would be.
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well you have to use heavy weights >85% of 1RM, and weights between 50-70% to train for speed and power. Keep the reps low (under 5 reps, 1-3 is optimal) with long rest periods (above 3 mins, preferably 4-5 mins)
Avoid the pump.

Like Pavel said, many people have the hardware, but they don't have the right software.
 
Latamier said:
Dont forget about all the morons out there that shoot up on synthol. In their case, size definately DOES NOT mean strength.
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I always get a little chuckle out of the "Synthol kings". As is anybody wouldn't recognize the difference.
 
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