Why do you powerlift? What is the point of strength?

[SSAlexSS]

Hello all.

Please answer this simple question.
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What is the point of strength? Whats the point on powerlifter other than ruining your joints?
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I understand bodybuilding, atleast you look good for the beach.
Sure as a bodybuilder you probably aint that strong as a plifter, but atleast people can "suspect" that you lift alot. You dont have to wear funky bench shirt or write "I benched 600 pounds yesterday", people see your big muscles and automaticly assume that, right or wrong.

Sure you might be Ed Coan when it comes to lifts, but to other people you are just one big fat dude(at least some pl are that way), when you are out of the gym for 165 hours. Ok strength might be important to an athlete, but many plifters dont engage in any outside activities - it might lower their bench press.


Any ideas?

P.S. any negative replies would just reinforce certain images and notions about weight trainers. \\

thanks

 

[Prometheus]

 

[benchmonster]

Fuck you troll. Stay off our board. Go back to the training board. We don't fuck with your shit, don't fuck with ours.

I have never once responded to one of your idiotic threads over on the training board. But this board is sacred. The people here know each other. We are strength athletes, not faggoty ass pretty boys.

Don't come over hear with your bullshit. And yes I read your pathetic attempt to cut down on the violent reply's. FUCK YOU.

Clear enough? You are not wanted here. Go away. Anyone who posts here and knows you from the training board knows you are just here to fuck things up.

People come to this board to learn. There are new people here, as well as some who have been training for a while. We are athletes. This board allows those with the balls to compete in a real sport to exchange ideas.

Go away.

B.

 

[k1401]

well said B!

 

[CytoMel]

I agree with the benchmonster on this one. To those who don't know who SSAlexSS is check his threads that include bogus ideas like:

How bodybuilders are stonger than powerlifters

Eat to sumo size for ultimate muscle growth


And bullshit 100+ set arm routines

And to top it off Alex's pics reveal one small atrophied boy.


Alex starts threads just to start controversey and get people to post a lot of replies probably because he wants the attention that his momma never gave him.

Check Alex's posts and you will understand why we don't need him here!

 

[t3c]

ssalex, you obviously know NOTHING about ANY type of training and proved it to everyone by your "one day arm cure" and other various retarded threads.

The guys on the pl board can crush you......blind folded, with one had behind their back....sitting down.

I'd like to see you say that to a powerlifter in real life, internet tough guy. You won't "look good at the beach" if your in a wheel chair, christopher reeves.

 

[t3c]

btw...do they make wheelchairs that go in sand?

 

[SSAlexSS]

Thanks all guys.

Not only powerlifters are out of shape(some), but are violent as well and not to mention stupid.

Who cares how I look like or what kind of posts I did post. Answer the goddamn question.

I am stupid coz I though that you had enough intelligence to answer such question.



p.s. can you count till 40 or you count using 45s? hahah

 

[SSAlexSS]

ssalex, you obviously know NOTHING about ANY type of training and proved it to everyone by your "one day arm cure" and other various retarded threads.

The guys on the pl board can crush you......blind folded, with one had behind their back....sitting down.

chair, christopher reeves.

Big things come in little packages (less than your typical 50 inches)

Anyways, you got no Idea how I fight. I might be able to take on Ed Coan and win. (Notice I said MIGHT, I dont know how he fights ither. But big men cant run and would wear out too quickly)


Furthermore back to 100 sets. It works , various people used it and it works. Advaik is much stronger now, gosh time for you to suck his cock now. He is stronger.

100 set type of routine was invented by a guy whose IQ is 3x yours, Charles Poliquen. Before you can argue with such routine,
go hit some books juniors.

 

[1-dawg]

I am really going to regret this but I will answer your question. WHy?? Because it is a personal challange that interests me. Running a marathon would also be a personal challenge but it does not interest me in the least. I like the idea of being strong and having functional muscle. I do not know where you get the idea that powerlifting ruins joints but it really is no more true than saying all bb'ers are asspumpers. Wait, that's a bad example. BB'ing does nothing for me -- I don't want to get onstage all oiled up in my underwear so a bunch of "guys" can judge me. And, I really don;t want to sit and watch some bb;er on stage.

 

[SSAlexSS]

I am really going to regret this but I will answer your question. WHy?? Because it is a personal challange that interests me. Running a marathon would also be a personal challenge but it does not interest me in the least. I like the idea of being strong and having functional muscle. I do not know where you get the idea that powerlifting ruins joints but it really is no more true than saying all bb'ers are asspumpers. Wait, that's a bad example. BB'ing does nothing for me -- I don't want to get onstage all oiled up in my underwear so a bunch of "guys" can judge me. And, I really don;t want to sit and watch some bb;er on stage.

Thank you very much, you are truly smarter than some of the guys you hang out with on this board.

About joints, heavy weights lifted over prolonged times WILL ruin your joints. Might not happen in your 20s 30s but when you are over 40 and had years of powerlifting, you joints will start to ach.

Why do most world class plifters retire so quickly?

Most athletes (especially heavy weight training athletes) do become invalids in their late life (if you can call that).

Many heavy weights barely walk without heavy breathing problems, sweat at even most mundane tasks, and lack some serious stamina. Not to insult anyone, but how will these guys be able to move while they are in their 60s?
Squating 800 pounds often, deadlifting 900 pounds, benching 600 pounds, now that out make someone crippled (after certain age). You might not expereince this now, but later when your joints are no longer so young and your heart isnt up to par.... hmmmm./.... Can we say NUBAIN?


Again no critique of anyone in above paragraph.

 

[Deciever]

Thats a pretty poor stereo type you got there SSAlexSS. Assuming that all powerlifters are fat , out of shape..etc is a big mis understanding . I've been powerlifting, i am in great shape, and im not a super heavy weight who has trouble breathing or walking around as you would say. And you ask why most powerlifters "retire " when they're older... some do , some dont. Ever hear of the masters division? And oh yeah, where are all the older bodybuilders who still compete?? Many older powerlifters still lift, but arent as well known as bigger guys like Ed coan, brent Mikesell, George Halbert....etc. Before you come onto our board, and making assumptions about the people here, dont say anything that is going to get you flamed. Alot of the people here have helped me out and really taught me alot. So if you would like, just take your stereotypical judgements, and keep them to yourselves about powerlifters.

 

[t3c]

I think he trys to get a rise out of people, and we gave him just that

sigh

everyone give him bad karma hehe

 

[SSAlexSS]

Thats a pretty poor stereo type you got there SSAlexSS. Assuming that all powerlifters are fat , out of shape..etc is a big mis understanding . I've been powerlifting, i am in great shape, and im not a super heavy weight who has trouble breathing or walking around as you would say. And you ask why most powerlifters "retire " when they're older... some do , some dont. Ever hear of the masters division? And oh yeah, where are all the older bodybuilders who still compete?? Many older powerlifters still lift, but arent as well known as bigger guys like Ed coan, brent Mikesell, George Halbert....etc. Before you come onto our board, and making assumptions about the people here, dont say anything that is going to get you flamed. Alot of the people here have helped me out and really taught me alot. So if you would like, just take your stereotypical judgements, and keep them to yourselves about powerlifters.

I have said "some powerlifters are out of shape" . I have never said that ALL powerlifters are out of shape, ok?

 

[SSAlexSS]

Fuck you troll.


B.

Thank you very much druid. Unlike you I dont play Dungeons and Dragons, or some other real fantasy crap.

Hey, my friend got kicked out of XXX club because he was playing Dungeons&Dragons with his girlfriend...

 

[b fold the truth]

Even though you are a Troll and your questions shouldn't be answered...I'll use your post to state my opinion.

"About joints, heavy weights lifted over prolonged times WILL ruin your joints. Might not happen in your 20s 30s but when you are over 40 and had years of powerlifting, you joints will start to ach."
.....How many 40 year olds don't have aches?????

"Why do most world class plifters retire so quickly?"
.....Because after they reach their peak...they are no longer at a world class level. It doesn't mean that they are not still good...they have just passed their world-class peak.

"Most athletes (especially heavy weight training athletes) do become invalids in their late life (if you can call that)."
.....Such as who? Is weight training the culprit or is just plain old older age?

"Many heavy weights barely walk without heavy breathing problems, sweat at even most mundane tasks, and lack some serious stamina."
.....Sounds like a pro bodybuilder....

"Not to insult anyone, but how will these guys be able to move while they are in their 60s?"
.....Sounds like a bodybuilder will have the same problem...IF they live to the age of 60.....

"Squating 800 pounds often, deadlifting 900 pounds, benching 600 pounds, now that out make someone crippled (after certain age)."
.....Really...like who? Test, dbol, adrol, deca, GH, 'slin, drip, etc upon etc...will those "cripple" a bodybuilder after a certain age?

"You might not expereince this now, but later when your joints are no longer so young and your heart isnt up to par.... hmmmm./.... Can we say NUBAIN?"
.....Hmmmm...sounds like a pro bodybuilder to me also. Nubain is probably just the tip of the iceberg in bodybuilding...just the tip.

Do you really want to know why I strength train? Why do I NOT bodybuild? Why do I not bodybuild to look good for the chicks at the beach? .......

Because I am not so conceited that I give a rip about what some snot nosed bratty chicky thinks of my delts or the peak on my arms or how my abs look. I am not that shallow and would like to think that most pro bodybuilders aren't either...but maybe I am wrong. If a woman can't look inside me and know me for me...then screw her...I don't need any part of her or anyone else if they only like me for my body!!!! I am confident in myself and my body...I don't have to be "ripped for the summer" just to go to the beach...I am proud of who I am WITHOUT seeing my abs or the cross-striations in my quads.

I don't feel the need to look good in a mirror...I have an inner desire that can not be explained in words. People can see it in your eyes...if you have the same inner feeling inside of you. We have that desire, that burn, that need. If a woman, or anyone else, needs more from me than that...I have no need for anyone that shallow either.

B True

 

[sysopt]

Hello all.

Please answer this simple question.
---------
What is the point of strength? Whats the point on powerlifter other than ruining your joints?
------------

I understand bodybuilding, atleast you look good for the beach.
Sure as a bodybuilder you probably aint that strong as a plifter, but atleast people can "suspect" that you lift alot. You dont have to wear funky bench shirt or write "I benched 600 pounds yesterday", people see your big muscles and automaticly assume that, right or wrong.

Sure you might be Ed Coan when it comes to lifts, but to other people you are just one big fat dude(at least some pl are that way), when you are out of the gym for 165 hours. Ok strength might be important to an athlete, but many plifters dont engage in any outside activities - it might lower their bench press.


Any ideas?

P.S. any negative replies would just reinforce certain images and notions about weight trainers. \\

thanks

I'm just a recreational lifter, but I care about both my apprearence and my strength. You make it sound as if the sole reason to lift is for aesthetic purposes, to impress other people and the judges. For one thing, there are plenty of powerlifters with good physiques. Powerlifters want to impress and challenge THEMSELVES, not necessarily other people. Whatever, I gotta go, all these people ask is to open your mind a bit and try to see things from their point of view.

 

[ZZuluZ]

Alex, why do you do ANYTHING in life? The purpose of life is hapinness, and if powerlifting makes someone happy than they've lived well.

It's like running a marathon. Being good at basketball. Climbing mountains, being an expert philosopher, mathematician. NOTHING has an intrinsic value other than the abstract meaning we put on it ourselves.

Often it's not the the accomplishement but the voyage it took to get there which is important.

This is my attempt at being cordial with you. More than likely you'll resond with 'at least I'm intelligent, blah blah blah'

-Zulu

 

[Deciever]

go zulu! you made some good points. PM me with how's your training and learning is going.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: Re: Why do you powerlift? What is the point of strength?

I'm just a recreational lifter, but I care about both my apprearence and my strength. You make it sound as if the sole reason to lift is for aesthetic purposes, to impress other people and the judges. For one thing, there are plenty of powerlifters with good physiques. Powerlifters want to impress and challenge THEMSELVES, not necessarily other people. Whatever, I gotta go, all these people ask is to open your mind a bit and try to see things from their point of view.

Well if you put 100% effort into something, you should get more out of your efforts. Atleast when you train for aesthetics, people constantly see you and comment. That can be quite a reward when little kid says "Mommy I want to be like that", now that is a reward. A someone would say "sport needs to enhance life, not take away from it" .

Also another point. I never said that powerlifters have bad physiques, all I said is "some" powerlifters have big phisiques, big difference.

Atleast it is pleasant to the eye to watch at bodybuilder, cant say that for SOME powerlifters. Phisique athletes wear their sport and carry it with them, most powerlifters get confused for sumo wrestlers unless it is monday afternoon (workout time!!! yeh!!)


I would also like to thank you for not using vulgarities, I KNEW there were some intelligent and articulate powerlifters.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Alex, why do you do ANYTHING in life? The purpose of life is hapinness, and if powerlifting makes someone happy than they've lived well.

It's like running a marathon. Being good at basketball. Climbing mountains, being an expert philosopher, mathematician. NOTHING has an intrinsic value other than the abstract meaning we put on it ourselves.

Often it's not the the accomplishement but the voyage it took to get there which is important.

This is my attempt at being cordial with you. More than likely you'll resond with 'at least I'm intelligent, blah blah blah'

-Zulu

Well only dumb people respond with "fuck you" , since you didnt say that congrats to you. I try to be cordial with everyone, even with downright filthy and "sad" induvidials. My class is above them, I dont go out and have a drink each night and take speed to increase velocity in my squat.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Alex, why do you do ANYTHING in life? The purpose of life is hapinness, and if powerlifting makes someone happy than they've lived well.


Often it's not the the accomplishement but the voyage it took to get there which is important.


-Zulu

Bon voyage, you are going for a ride.

I wounder what kind of return will you face.

Hockey is great. Dont ruin your body too much and you get paid well. Powerlifrting = little money and tough journey back into bed after simple act of walking tires you out.


Really, having screws drilled into your knees and braces on your elbows because they wont function without pain. ISNT good arrivel, if you catch my drift.


Again for example hockey, atleast you get millions of presidents when you retire and only few bruises and dislocated shoulders.

powerlifting looses on all counts.

 

[ZZuluZ]

You still don't get it. You're a superficial tramp man. Seriously.

You only do stuff to get external gratification? That makes you a truly pathetic human being. WHy don't you simply get synthol implants? Then everyone will be in awe of your muscle mass. Isn't that what you want?

You have no grasp on life and reality. You need to reevaluate your priorities. Maybe you could try listening to others for a change, showing respect [and by that I mean lose the subtle understones of condescendence and superiority].

" My class is above them, I dont go out and have a drink each night and take speed to increase velocity in my squat."

"Your class"??? Dude, I think you have a serious ego problem. More than likely you have physchological issues. You can't seriously consider yourself superior to anybody here.

What DO you squat btw?

Deciever, will do bud.

-Zulu

 

[b fold the truth]

ZZuluZ: Don't worry about this guy man...he is a Troll. He is someone who comes on here just to stir up things a bit and is probably another member here on Elite too. His main goal is to get a "rise" out of the members...to see them get mad.

I have a pretty good idea who he is too...but I may be wrong.

He seems to skip the reply button when he sees a post that tells the full truth though...funny.

B True

 

[Screwball]

Your generalizations are pathetic, as are your arguements. Your posts have only one purpose. That purpose is to provoke a negative reaction from other board members. This juvenile behavior only reinforces the fact that you are immature. You would be better spent putting this energy into educating yourself and training, instead of wasting it by antagonizing other board members. If you want to be taken seriously and contribute to the board in a positive manner then I have no problem with you posting. If you choose to continue on your current path then I would ask you to do it somewhere else. This board is positive and helpful and we wish for it to remain that way.

 

[ZZuluZ]

But he's been around for years.... and smurf or not he's getting on everybody's nerves. Is there a banning policy on these boards?

Deciever....empty your damn mailbox lol

-Zulu

 

[b fold the truth]

Just laugh at his posts and go on...I do. Well...read my original reply to his post first...lol

B True

 

[The Man Child]

That truly is one of the dumbest questions ever bro! As stated before, not every powerlifter/strongman looks like shit ie: myself! I'm about 12%bf...Results are gained much quicker using heavy weights rather than pumping the muscles full of blood (although 99% of lifters see otherwise)...I challenge any bobybuilder/gym rat/pussyboy (like yourself)/or any other so called expert to go against the ultimate such as Juoko Ahola, Kaz, George Hackenshmidt, Phil Pfister, Jesse Marunde, Mark Henry, shit you name it, to a strength contest. BTW: all of these guys with the exception of Henry are in phenomenal condition.

But above all, we lift in this fashion for ourselves. Don't hate on us because you can't overhead press your bodyweight!

 

[Deciever]

zulu.. its been emptied.. i dunno how it gets full so quick??

 

[SSAlexSS]

Your generalizations are pathetic, as are your arguements. Your posts have only one purpose. That purpose is to provoke a negative reaction from other board members. If you want to be taken seriously and contribute to the board in a positive manner then I have no problem with you posting. If you choose to continue on your current path then I would ask you to do it somewhere else. This board is positive and helpful and we wish for it to remain that way.

I dont find this board positive.

First of all. I asked a reasonable question. Why do you powerlift, why strength makes you tick. All i get is cusses thrown at me.
Unlike some people I dont keep telling everyone 4 letter words.

I dont get this, why such good question degenerated into this mess?

I get said when I see some of the replies that i received....

 

[I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING]

SSAlex- BenchMonster said it best. Nobody likes you over here. Go away.


You are a fucking dumbass who is not only retarted when it comes to lifing knowledge, but obviously very ignorant when it comes to the subject of powerlifting. You know nothing and since you show no interest, we aren't going to clue you in.


I actually wished you lived near me because maybe we could meet up in the gym some day and show you a thing or two about powerlifting.


Go flex your 9" guns at the beach and have all the ladies drewling over you. I'll be at he gym working on getting stronger.

 

[b fold the truth]

...

Even though you are a Troll and your questions shouldn't be answered...I'll use your post to state my opinion.

"About joints, heavy weights lifted over prolonged times WILL ruin your joints. Might not happen in your 20s 30s but when you are over 40 and had years of powerlifting, you joints will start to ach."
.....How many 40 year olds don't have aches?????

"Why do most world class plifters retire so quickly?"
.....Because after they reach their peak...they are no longer at a world class level. It doesn't mean that they are not still good...they have just passed their world-class peak.

"Most athletes (especially heavy weight training athletes) do become invalids in their late life (if you can call that)."
.....Such as who? Is weight training the culprit or is just plain old older age?

"Many heavy weights barely walk without heavy breathing problems, sweat at even most mundane tasks, and lack some serious stamina."
.....Sounds like a pro bodybuilder....

"Not to insult anyone, but how will these guys be able to move while they are in their 60s?"
.....Sounds like a bodybuilder will have the same problem...IF they live to the age of 60.....

"Squating 800 pounds often, deadlifting 900 pounds, benching 600 pounds, now that out make someone crippled (after certain age)."
.....Really...like who? Test, dbol, adrol, deca, GH, 'slin, drip, etc upon etc...will those "cripple" a bodybuilder after a certain age?

"You might not expereince this now, but later when your joints are no longer so young and your heart isnt up to par.... hmmmm./.... Can we say NUBAIN?"
.....Hmmmm...sounds like a pro bodybuilder to me also. Nubain is probably just the tip of the iceberg in bodybuilding...just the tip.

Do you really want to know why I strength train? Why do I NOT bodybuild? Why do I not bodybuild to look good for the chicks at the beach? .......

Because I am not so conceited that I give a rip about what some snot nosed bratty chicky thinks of my delts or the peak on my arms or how my abs look. I am not that shallow and would like to think that most pro bodybuilders aren't either...but maybe I am wrong. If a woman can't look inside me and know me for me...then screw her...I don't need any part of her or anyone else if they only like me for my body!!!! I am confident in myself and my body...I don't have to be "ripped for the summer" just to go to the beach...I am proud of who I am WITHOUT seeing my abs or the cross-striations in my quads.

I don't feel the need to look good in a mirror...I have an inner desire that can not be explained in words. People can see it in your eyes...if you have the same inner feeling inside of you. We have that desire, that burn, that need. If a woman, or anyone else, needs more from me than that...I have no need for anyone that shallow either.


B True

 

[I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING]

Another way to look at it:

If you are moving or doing something that involves heavy lifting like construction, who do you want to help you?? The guy who can lift 3 times his weight or the guy who has a nice bicep peak and a 6-pack?? I thought so.

 

[b fold the truth]

Wait...wait...I am very confused. You mean that strength training will not make me a babe magnet, award me with a new Corvette, the perfect tan and hair, and a super model?????

I have been greatly mis-led...

B True

 

[speedDemon]

a troll????nah,just another dip shit!!..obvisouly this loser wants this type of attention,why else come here with these bogus questions?and if you were indeed a bodybuilder you would still have intrest in strength gain.so think before you write stupid meaningless post my little weak friend.what are you about 16...17...oh well,we'll humor you till you get bored with it and crawl back to bed.must suck to have no life huh??have a great day my friend,hope to hear from you soon

 

[Geno_O]

SSAlexSS, I am one of those old guys. I am 45 years of age. I
love to powerlift. I pull over well over 600 pounds in the DL and
my squat is quickly approaching that territory. I also practice
a variety of martial arts and play golf to a one handicap. I am
not exactly a worn out old bastard. My physical conditioning is
second to none. My joints are in excellent shape. And my
friend, I am not alone in this. There are older guys on this
board that are everything I am and more.

I have a word of advice for you as one of the older guys. Keep
it positive. Listen to others and learn. Good karma leads to
good. Bad karma leads to bad. You are a lifter. I think you
understand this. Keep it positive and these guys will bend
over backward to help you.

 

[SSAlexSS]

SSAlexSS, I am one of those old guys. I am 45 years of age. I
love to powerlift. I pull over well over 600 pounds in the DL and
my squat is quickly approaching that territory. I also practice
a variety of martial arts and play golf to a one handicap. I am
not exactly a worn out old bastard. My physical conditioning is
second to none. My joints are in excellent shape. And my
friend, I am not alone in this. There are older guys on this
board that are everything I am and more.

I have a word of advice for you as one of the older guys. Keep
it positive. Listen to others and learn. Good karma leads to
good. Bad karma leads to bad. You are a lifter. I think you
understand this. Keep it positive and these guys will bend
over backward to help you.

Well what can I say. I ma happy that you are happy and you got pretty good lifts. Howeever when you get to 800 as some people here do, what will happen?

Great maybe I can fgeel so good in my 40s then. YEY, heavy weights dont nessesarely ruin joints...

 

[Arioch]

Begone, Troll.

 

[speedDemon]

blah,blah,blah.....alex

 

[speedDemon]

Well what can I say. I ma happy that you are happy and you got pretty good lifts. Howeever when you get to 800 as some people here do, what will happen?

Great maybe I can fgeel so good in my 40s then. YEY, heavy weights dont nessesarely ruin joints...

blah,blah,blah

 

[Imnotdutch]

Hello all.

Please answer this simple question.
---------
What is the point of strength? Whats the point on powerlifter other than ruining your joints?
------------

I understand bodybuilding, atleast you look good for the beach.
Sure as a bodybuilder you probably aint that strong as a plifter, but atleast people can "suspect" that you lift alot. You dont have to wear funky bench shirt or write "I benched 600 pounds yesterday", people see your big muscles and automaticly assume that, right or wrong.

Sure you might be Ed Coan when it comes to lifts, but to other people you are just one big fat dude(at least some pl are that way), when you are out of the gym for 165 hours. Ok strength might be important to an athlete, but many plifters dont engage in any outside activities - it might lower their bench press.


Any ideas?

P.S. any negative replies would just reinforce certain images and notions about weight trainers. \\

thanks

Well I am going to reply to this seriously seeing as I love powerlifting.

You seem to be implying that you cannot look at a true powerlifter and see that he lifts alot. I have yet to meet a decent powerlifter that does not possess great thickness.......thickness that bodybuilders cannot emulate. The best back that I ever saw was on a 198lb powerlifter who was 5'11"........it was thick and wide.

I would like to see you look Powerlifterjay in the eye whilst you told him that his 19 1/2' arms were small. The Mann allegedly has a serious set of arms too. You can tell these people lift big......it isn't an illusion.

Have you ever been to a powerlifting meet?? Do it.......you will be suprised at the physiques of the competitors.

In short......you have made assumptions about powerlifters that don't stand up to scrutiny.

Lastly, you imply that powerlifters only train for 3 hours each week.......uhhhhhmmmmm ok. Now go to the powerlifting board and ask for examples of westside routines.

 

[k1401]

Hell Yea

I believe there are pics of both the bro's out there, in no time they'd kick ass in a bodybuilder competition

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: Re: Why do you powerlift? What is the point of strength?

Well I am going to reply to this seriously seeing as I love powerlifting.

You seem to be implying that you cannot look at a true powerlifter and see that he lifts alot. I have yet to meet a decent powerlifter that does not possess great thickness.......thickness that bodybuilders cannot emulate. The best back that I ever saw was on a 198lb powerlifter who was 5'11"........it was thick and wide.

I would like to see you look Powerlifterjay in the eye whilst you told him that his 19 1/2' arms were small. The Mann allegedly has a serious set of arms too. You can tell these people lift big......it isn't an illusion.

Have you ever been to a powerlifting meet?? Do it.......you will be suprised at the physiques of the competitors.

In short......you have made assumptions about powerlifters that don't stand up to scrutiny.

Lastly, you imply that powerlifters only train for 3 hours each week.......uhhhhhmmmmm ok. Now go to the powerlifting board and ask for examples of westside routines.

Wowowo hold it pal.

I didnt say that ALL powerlifters are out of shape. Sure there are great in shape powerlifters out there, but for every genetic freak there are 10 out of shape pls.

I seen some major world record brake (some brent guy i think, squates 1055 or so pounds), that guy was FAT and I mean it. His facial style was pretty weird too. If it wasnt a meet and his squat,
you couldmnt tell that he even lifts weights. He looked like an alcoholic, not to make fun of him or his lift - but thats mine opinion and (99% of all other people's opinion).

 

[Deciever]

ok fine alex, you made your point. Some of the elite lifters may look like they dont lift, but if you look closer, you'll see the thickness they possess under the chub, and the true size they have. kinda like an offseason bodybuilder... But that doesnt matter how they look on the platform, it all matters how they perform. You are entitled to your opinion, we are entitled to ours. Everyone who has replied tastefully has made a good point in favor of their arguement.

 

[The Man Child]

I think weightlifting/bodybuilding all comes down to the type of person you are...do you live life for how other people perceive you or do you live life for yourself and to be a good person all around? Same goes in the sport, are you doing this for the ladies at the beach or are you doing this as a hobby/goal/competitive nature/etc...

 

[Cubanito17]

YOU ask why do we powerlift well the reason is b/c people do something for the reason that they like it. I've injured myself twice in Powerlifting and I'm only 17 years old, BUT guess what I bet you I can stil take your pussy ass b/c I train for strength and not to look good. Granted I'm not one of those powerlifters that are fat I'm in decent condition But I stil keep up with my boxing and I'll KO your ass anytime you ask for it.

 

[SSAlexSS]

ok fine alex, you made your point. Some of the elite lifters may look like they dont lift, but if you look closer, you'll see the thickness they possess under the chub, and the true size they have. kinda like an offseason bodybuilder... in favor of their arguement.

I know about muscle under fat. But what about 99% of people out there who dont work out? They see the fat face, fat gut and "big" extremeties, and they do assume that you are just fat.


I mean there has to be some other deeper reason than just "i want to bench 600 pounds and iwn that 5 dollar trophy".

Yeh the question is a bit complex. What you are all saying is "powerlifting is mine sport because it makes me happy and I like to compete kind thing". Nothing wrong with that except it is kinda shallow.


Anyways this topic is getting out of hand.

 

[I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING]

I know about muscle under fat. But what about 99% of people out there who dont work out? They see the fat face, fat gut and "big" extremeties, and they do assume that you are just fat.

So? Who cares. We don't powerlift so people will come up to us and say "oh, he must workout" or "look at those abs". That's what insecure little homos like yourself do....and unfortunately for you, you do it poorly.

Most of our reasons for lifting are better than yours. Your reasons are very shallow and show that you need the approval of others to feel good about yourself. Ours is about setting goals and accomplishing them...for ourselves.


Look at it however you want...either way you are a homo.

 

[b fold the truth]

I know about muscle under fat. But what about 99% of people out there who dont work out? They see the fat face, fat gut and "big" extremeties, and they do assume that you are just fat.


I mean there has to be some other deeper reason than just "i want to bench 600 pounds and iwn that 5 dollar trophy".

Yeh the question is a bit complex. What you are all saying is "powerlifting is mine sport because it makes me happy and I like to compete kind thing". Nothing wrong with that except it is kinda shallow.


Anyways this topic is getting out of hand.

I'll answer your questions for the THIRD time man...

Even though you are a Troll and your questions shouldn't be answered...I'll use your post to state my opinion.

"About joints, heavy weights lifted over prolonged times WILL ruin your joints. Might not happen in your 20s 30s but when you are over 40 and had years of powerlifting, you joints will start to ach."
.....How many 40 year olds don't have aches?????

"Why do most world class plifters retire so quickly?"
.....Because after they reach their peak...they are no longer at a world class level. It doesn't mean that they are not still good...they have just passed their world-class peak.

"Most athletes (especially heavy weight training athletes) do become invalids in their late life (if you can call that)."
.....Such as who? Is weight training the culprit or is just plain old older age?

"Many heavy weights barely walk without heavy breathing problems, sweat at even most mundane tasks, and lack some serious stamina."
.....Sounds like a pro bodybuilder....

"Not to insult anyone, but how will these guys be able to move while they are in their 60s?"
.....Sounds like a bodybuilder will have the same problem...IF they live to the age of 60.....

"Squating 800 pounds often, deadlifting 900 pounds, benching 600 pounds, now that out make someone crippled (after certain age)."
.....Really...like who? Test, dbol, adrol, deca, GH, 'slin, drip, etc upon etc...will those "cripple" a bodybuilder after a certain age?

"You might not expereince this now, but later when your joints are no longer so young and your heart isnt up to par.... hmmmm./.... Can we say NUBAIN?"
.....Hmmmm...sounds like a pro bodybuilder to me also. Nubain is probably just the tip of the iceberg in bodybuilding...just the tip.

Do you really want to know why I strength train? Why do I NOT bodybuild? Why do I not bodybuild to look good for the chicks at the beach? .......

Because I am not so conceited that I give a rip about what some snot nosed bratty chicky thinks of my delts or the peak on my arms or how my abs look. I am not that shallow and would like to think that most pro bodybuilders aren't either...but maybe I am wrong. If a woman can't look inside me and know me for me...then screw her...I don't need any part of her or anyone else if they only like me for my body!!!! I am confident in myself and my body...I don't have to be "ripped for the summer" just to go to the beach...I am proud of who I am WITHOUT seeing my abs or the cross-striations in my quads.

I don't feel the need to look good in a mirror...I have an inner desire that can not be explained in words. People can see it in your eyes...if you have the same inner feeling inside of you. We have that desire, that burn, that need. If a woman, or anyone else, needs more from me than that...I have no need for anyone that shallow either.

B True

 

[SSAlexSS]

I'll answer your questions for the THIRD time man...

Even though you are a Troll and your questions shouldn't be answered...I'll use your post to state my opinion.

"About joints, heavy weights lifted over prolonged times WILL ruin your joints. Might not happen in your 20s 30s but when you are over 40 and had years of powerlifting, you joints will start to ach."
.....How many 40 year olds don't have aches?????

"Why do most world class plifters retire so quickly?"
.....Because after they reach their peak...they are no longer at a world class level. It doesn't mean that they are not still good...they have just passed their world-class peak.

"Most athletes (especially heavy weight training athletes) do become invalids in their late life (if you can call that)."
.....Such as who? Is weight training the culprit or is just plain old older age?

"Many heavy weights barely walk without heavy breathing problems, sweat at even most mundane tasks, and lack some serious stamina."
.....Sounds like a pro bodybuilder....

"Not to insult anyone, but how will these guys be able to move while they are in their 60s?"
.....Sounds like a bodybuilder will have the same problem...IF they live to the age of 60.....

"Squating 800 pounds often, deadlifting 900 pounds, benching 600 pounds, now that out make someone crippled (after certain age)."
.....Really...like who? Test, dbol, adrol, deca, GH, 'slin, drip, etc upon etc...will those "cripple" a bodybuilder after a certain age?

"You might not expereince this now, but later when your joints are no longer so young and your heart isnt up to par.... hmmmm./.... Can we say NUBAIN?"
.....Hmmmm...sounds like a pro bodybuilder to me also. Nubain is probably just the tip of the iceberg in bodybuilding...just the tip.

Do you really want to know why I strength train? Why do I NOT bodybuild? Why do I not bodybuild to look good for the chicks at the beach? .......

Because I am not so conceited that I give a rip about what some snot nosed bratty chicky thinks of my delts or the peak on my arms or how my abs look. I am not that shallow and would like to think that most pro bodybuilders aren't either...but maybe I am wrong. If a woman can't look inside me and know me for me...then screw her...I don't need any part of her or anyone else if they only like me for my body!!!! I am confident in myself and my body...I don't have to be "ripped for the summer" just to go to the beach...I am proud of who I am WITHOUT seeing my abs or the cross-striations in my quads.

I don't feel the need to look good in a mirror...I have an inner desire that can not be explained in words. People can see it in your eyes...if you have the same inner feeling inside of you. We have that desire, that burn, that need. If a woman, or anyone else, needs more from me than that...I have no need for anyone that shallow either.

B True

Damn I hate this browser. I had a long reply to all those questions and I lost it (browser crashed). I going to type it last time now.


1) How many 40 year olds don't have aches?????
Those who didn’t lift heavy weights don’t experience aches. If those guys were smart enough to pick badminton or something like that instead of power lifting, chances are their joints aren’t as bad as yours. Look inside of joints of healthy and FIT person and compare it to unfit power lifter, well, you get the idea.

2)"Because after they reach their peak...they are no longer at a world class level. It doesn't mean that they are not still good...they have just passed their world-class peak. "

Mine reply is. There you go, they reached their peak and now they are heading downhill. Squatting and dead lifting in excess of 800 pounds, I think you are getting a drift about what kind of joints and arthritis they'll end up with.


3).....Hmmmm...sounds like a pro bodybuilder to me also. Nubain is probably just the tip of the iceberg in bodybuilding...just the tip
Yes. Many Pros take ecstasy nubain and other chemicals. Yes that is the tip of an iceberg. But loosing breathe, inability to run or walk properly, poor joints later on - that is just a tip of an iceberg for powerlifers too.

4or5).....Sounds like a pro bodybuilder....
True, but at least most pros wouldn’t suffer as much joint pain later in their life. Bodybuilders look better and get paid better.
Hockey is the best IMO though... (and no, I don’t play hockey. If I did I would be at NHL then not at this crappy char and desk)



6).....Such as who? Is weight training the culprit or is just plain old older age?
Weight training is the culprit. Healthy weight training should enhance your physical ability, not diminish it.
A guy who was an elite heavy weight athlete going to have elite heavy weight problems later in life. A guy who was smart
enough to take up hockey or badminton instead, would be running around till his 90s or so. A serious body/power lifter will
end up being a cripple from brutality early on his life. If your friend mutilates your legs, would it or your running ability be
the culprit or the abuse that you took? Don’t get me wrong, weight lifting is super healthy when taken in MODERATION.
However power lifting is extreme. It is one thing to squat 315 pounds. it is quite different to squat 800 pounds.

7) yes test and clen and other chemicals will probably cripple a bodybuilder, but at least his joints are not so bad.




I am not conceited and you know, that type of person. No I am very modest and make sure I cover up
myself well wherever I go. I don’t body build primary for chicks, but that is a big bonus when I need to.
"Hey you [saying to the chick] feel mine twin peaks. After she feels em, I say. Hard eh? Can I feel your twin peaks??"
Or being huge(muscular wise) would be a great job opportunity. Shave your head, grow a mustache and become a bouncer.
When you reach high level you could go on the stage and kicks ass. I have lots of ideas for my posing routine.
As a powerlfiter what can you do? Carry those kegs? I don’t think that that pays well. You cant be a personal trainer to majority of people,
heck I would pay my son to stay away from you. Hehehe.

I am pissed off for my computer turning off and loosing all my hard work.


Powerlifting = no reward.
Bodybuilding, there is reward. (Not as much as hockey, but oh well, I am too old to start to learn how to skate and prepare for NHL.)

 

[solidj55]

Well right now I am not powerlifting or bodybuilding because of a back injury I am nursing back to normal but seeing as I have done both I will answer this question. I have won first place in the 165lbs weight class in powerlifting and I have won first place in the lightweight division in bodybuilding. This is not bragging just stating the facts. Ok which one did I get more satisfaction from???? The powerlifting. Have I ever had any sort of problem or injury induced from powerlifting, NO. Have I ever hurt myself doing bodybuilding exercises, YES. I have messed up my right bicep doing foolish amounts of curls that are not needed trying to get that peak. I have fucked up my front delt doing all of the cable crossovers and peck deck flys and shit. I have also hurt my shoulder doing fucking hammer strength shoulder presses. All of these were done in a bodybuilding training routine. I was using weights that were easily under strict form and control. When I switched to powerlifting and started doing heavy squats(505lb best), heavy deads(465lb best), and heavy benches(385lb best) did I ever hurt myself???? NO. Powerlifting injuries do happen, but so do bodybuilding injuries. I know more recreational lifters and bodybuilders that suffer from injuries than I do powerlifters. I am by no means doggin on bodybuilding or recreational weight lifters because right now I am basically lifting for the sheer enjoyment. I am just pointing out that no matter how you lift the fact that you are using weights leaves you open for injuries. NOW, as far as the looks, I look about the same off season bodybuilding as I do when I dont have a powerlifting meet any time soon. When I am in contest shape for bodybuilding I dont look near as good as I do when Im cutting weight for a powerlifting meet. Why is that? Powerlifting builds harder, more dense muscle that bodybuilding does. And to finally get to your question, the reason I like powerlifting(more than bodybuilding) is because of the feeling I get inside when competeing. Even if you bomb out and dont get a fucking single lift on the board you always know that you tried your hardest that day and you will live to train another day and at the next meet you will be better. Its the feeling of acomplishment and the feeling of competition, the rush, the butterflies in your stomach before a meet, the atmosphere of everyone rooting you on, the fucking pressure, what more do you want to hear??? I know that a lot these guys have been talking shit about people caring about looks, but I must admit I do care about how I look. No, I do not want to look like Ronnie Colman but yes I want to be cut up and have abs. And under normal circumstances I do, but I also have functional muscle as well as some of the pretty boy shit. My life is not powerlifting nor is my life centered around looking like a model. I have found a happy medium for me and thats all that matters. I could not care less of what you or anyone else thinks about me. All that matters to me is what I think of me and what my God and family thinks of me. And I will leave you on this note, if you think that it is more rewarding to pull the girls in because you look pretty then thats fine, BUT speaking for myself it means absolutely nothing in the whole sheme of life. I am not bragging but I guarantee that I have had more pussy then you have seen on television or the fucking internet and none of that is half as rewarding as weightlifting has been to me. That is about all I can say to you Alex. And I will never again answer one of your posts because your maturity level is about ground zero.

 

[powerlifterjay]

Powerlifting has no reward? Dude i am not going to insult you cause i know your part of the elite crew or someting and all you do is post shit! I heard your small and new to iron in general. You dont like powerlifting? Then fuckin dont do it! You like Bodybuilding so much then do it. Is it that hard? Becasue you have an opinion we have to hear it all the time.

I have a friend who trains in mygym , and used to train with us for a bit. He has done a few powerlifting meets and did pretty good too. He is 2 weeks out from a Bodybuilding show. And he is the favorite by far. His thickness was built through powerlifting. But you ask him he likes powerlfiting better and cant wait to start after the show. I cant speak for him but i can tell you why i would agree.

Powerlfitng your shooting for numbers. You wanna get strong. You leave the gym lifting 5 more lbs then the week before you are accomplishing something. You are every week in at least one movement. Bodybuilding you cant get that reward week in and week out. P{owerlifting keeps me enthused and hungry. In fact most Bodybuilders i see around my town or at the beach are not big at all. YOu read to many mags dude. Those are pro's. They do every drug ou tthere and not that theres nothing wrong with it (drugs) those guys are but a few. But the ones i see are not big at all. In fact if they do have decent mass they look liek powerlifters when there in their off season anyway. YOu think bodybuilders stay shredded all year every year? Ya kids in wife beaters who have 8 percent bodyfat and weigh 150lbs. Did i just describe you? Anyway i can say this then i am done.

YOu will never bench 600lbs. Fact. You will never squat over 700. Fact. You will never make it in any of the two sports. I have competed in my best lift (bench) at the highest level there is. When you get your IFBB pro Bodybuilding card and place, then and only then will you be my equall in your respective sport. YOu have never competed in any. So how can you back up a sport (or beauty padgeant whatever you call them things) and talk about it as you are a representitve and dis the sport we love?

Dont like it? Dont do it. Dont watch it. Dont talk about it. But dont pretend to be a bodybuilder, your just a newbie lifter who talks more shit and has no facts, no expereince, and no size at all. In fact from your dumb ass posts on the training forum its pretty clear you are a newbie to the sport. So good luck in finding which one your good at. Until then dont knock ours sport.

And please quit trying to sound so educated about lifting.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Well right now I am not powerlifting or bodybuilding because of a back injury I am nursing back to normal but seeing as I have done both I will answer this question. I have won first place in the 165lbs weight class in powerlifting and I have won first place in the lightweight division in bodybuilding. This is not bragging just stating the facts. Ok which one did I get more satisfaction from???? The powerlifting. Have I ever had any sort of problem or injury induced from powerlifting, NO. Have I ever hurt myself doing bodybuilding exercises, YES. I have messed up my right bicep doing foolish amounts of curls that are not needed trying to get that peak. I have fucked up my front delt doing all of the cable crossovers and peck deck flys and shit. I have also hurt my shoulder doing fucking hammer strength shoulder presses. All of these were done in a bodybuilding training routine. I was using weights that were easily under strict form and control. When I switched to powerlifting and started doing heavy squats(505lb best), heavy deads(465lb best), and heavy benches(385lb best) did I ever hurt myself???? NO. Powerlifting injuries do happen, but so do bodybuilding injuries. I know more recreational lifters and bodybuilders that suffer from injuries than I do powerlifters. I am by no means doggin on bodybuilding or recreational weight lifters because right now I am basically lifting for the sheer enjoyment. I am just pointing out that no matter how you lift the fact that you are using weights leaves you open for injuries. NOW, as far as the looks, I look about the same off season bodybuilding as I do when I dont have a powerlifting meet any time soon. When I am in contest shape for bodybuilding I dont look near as good as I do when Im cutting weight for a powerlifting meet. Why is that? Powerlifting builds harder, more dense muscle that bodybuilding does. And to finally get to your question, the reason I like powerlifting(more than bodybuilding) is because of the feeling I get inside when competeing. Even if you bomb out and dont get a fucking single lift on the board you always know that you tried your hardest that day and you will live to train another day and at the next meet you will be better. Its the feeling of acomplishment and the feeling of competition, the rush, the butterflies in your stomach before a meet, the atmosphere of everyone rooting you on, the fucking pressure, what more do you want to hear??? I know that a lot these guys have been talking shit about people caring about looks, but I must admit I do care about how I look. No, I do not want to look like Ronnie Colman but yes I want to be cut up and have abs. And under normal circumstances I do, but I also have functional muscle as well as some of the pretty boy shit. My life is not powerlifting nor is my life centered around looking like a model. I have found a happy medium for me and thats all that matters. I could not care less of what you or anyone else thinks about me. All that matters to me is what I think of me and what my God and family thinks of me. And I will leave you on this note, if you think that it is more rewarding to pull the girls in because you look pretty then thats fine, BUT speaking for myself it means absolutely nothing in the whole sheme of life. I am not bragging but I guarantee that I have had more pussy then you have seen on television or the fucking internet and none of that is half as rewarding as weightlifting has been to me. That is about all I can say to you Alex. And I will never again answer one of your posts because your maturity level is about ground zero.

Satisfaction? Well many things can satisfy you. Winning a stanley cup is probably more satisfying than powerlifting meet ever gonna be. Except that you also get reward for winning in publicly accepted sport.

If you gonna spend any effort on something, it better be worth it or there is no point in doing it. Again winning a world championship in some sport like hockey is fasr more satisfying than 5 minutes of glory straining under a barbell.

Sure doing hockey you might get injured. Sure some people do. Howeever injury isnt as big as long term powerlifitng joints. And atleast your 5+ million dollars richer.


If you gonna risk your health (and by powerlifting you surely do, dont deny it) atleast get some reward for it.

Bye everyone, I am going to bed.

 

[I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING]

Is this fucking homo ever going to leave???


THIS IS THE POWERLIFTING BOARD!!! GO BACK TO THE YOGA BOARD AND GET THAT PERFECT BODY YOU ARE AFTER WHILE AVOIDING ANYTHING HEAVY AT ALL COSTS!!

 

[epimetheus]

Somebody that Benches 500lbs rather than 200lbs will have an easier time knocking your teeth out.

 

[spatts]

Somebody that Benches 500lbs rather than 200lbs will have an easier time knocking your teeth out.

Oh good...you learn fast. That's going to come in handy.

 

[epimetheus]

 

[growin']

OY! Could we ban this guy, or limit him to the chat board, or better yet the fashion and grooming board? This has been mildly entertaining, but mostly annoying. Lets move on fellas.

For the record, I like to look good. It makes me feel good. But I also think it would be fun to flip a car over

Remember: opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one

 

[Mountain Man]

Bro, you should listen to the boys. I am most likely the oldest one here and I started late in life. Powerlifting is the only way to travel, its like being a gladiator, man{or woman] against gravity, defying gravity. My arms are 20" and I only do curls once or twice a month, nothing builds density like powerlifting, which can be applied to any sport or task.

 

[GRIMMER]

i'll post hear just to make my statement. I personally compete in Powerliftng to better myself. Every day i go into the gym i strive for a goal and if i hit it (5 b PR) i am one of the most enthrauled people until the next day when i go for a new one.. YOu may not see my expressions but inside i know that i made my goal and am off to a better one. This is just one of the many goals i set for myself throughout my lifting session/hour/day/week/ month/year/ECT. Most people do not have determination to make goals and reach them whether they be short or long term ( and i can see you as someone who does not have even a single goal in life.) Powerlifting is something that gives me more satisfacion by breaking my goals than does looking in the mirror wondering if i have made a 1/8"gain on my arms. Strenght is a part of life and as the saying goes " The Strong Will Survive". You obviosly will not be returning for round two. Why do you pretend that Bodybuilders would not like to have more sterenght. The mor e you can lift the bigger you get and everyone knows that. If a bodybuilder could lift what some of us can theywould be much bigger/solider than they are. I am by no reasons fat and am currently at 225 with 14-16% bodyfat. I can guaruantee that i could get down to 10% within a few weeks and would have no problems impresing even more girls at the beach than i do now.

You need to stay in your own little, tiny, week ass, world and leav e the real athletes to THIS board. Your ploy to antagonize us has worked as would ours if we questioned something that was meaningful to you.

Now go back to your low weight , High repin', bicept curlin', I Just want to tone Ass and leave the real men to this board.

P.S. You are such a LITTLE BITCH!
Later

 

[Imnotdutch]

Re: Re: Re: Why do you powerlift? What is the point of strength?

Ok lets try again......

'Wowowo hold it pal.'

Ok I am listening.

'I didnt say that ALL powerlifters are out of shape. Sure there are great in shape powerlifters out there, but for every genetic freak there are 10 out of shape pls.'

Ok now go to a powerlifting competition and prove yourself wrong!! You keep making statements that you refuse to back up with evidence. Only one in ten powerlifters is in shape?? And these guys are genetic freaks?? What criteria are you using exactly??

'I seen some major world record brake (some brent guy i think, squates 1055 or so pounds), that guy was FAT and I mean it. His facial style was pretty weird too. If it wasnt a meet and his squat,
you couldmnt tell that he even lifts weights. He looked like an alcoholic, not to make fun of him or his lift - but thats mine opinion and (99% of all other people's opinion). '

Admittedly people in the upper weight classes are prepared to carry more weight- it helps them lift more and why should they care if they dont have a weight limit to hit?? But, not everybody lifts in the top weight classes!! Is that fact lost on you?? You saw ONE guy lift!! Is this the total population from which you draw your conclusions??

 

[Imnotdutch]

I know about muscle under fat. But what about 99% of people out there who dont work out? They see the fat face, fat gut and "big" extremeties, and they do assume that you are just fat.


I mean there has to be some other deeper reason than just "i want to bench 600 pounds and iwn that 5 dollar trophy".

Yeh the question is a bit complex. What you are all saying is "powerlifting is mine sport because it makes me happy and I like to compete kind thing". Nothing wrong with that except it is kinda shallow.


Anyways this topic is getting out of hand.

You are still assuming that only 'fat' guys can be classed as powerlifters!! You really shouldn't talk down to people when you are struggling with such a simple concept.

BTW ever seen Lee Priest in the off-season?? How about Mr. Coleman?? They are real bodybuilders who bulk up alot......I suspect that you are nothing more than a wannabe bikini boy who is so insecure that he has to look good to boost his confidence.

My reasons for lifting are simple:
(i) I have spent much of my life doing physical work in order to get myself through university (twice!!). In those situations what matters is strength not looks.

(ii) I am totally secure with myself and the way I look. I don't need to build up a false image of strength to hide behind.

(iii) I just love pushing myself as hard as possible......I always try to improve in everything I do. Life would be boring if I didn't. Powerlifting allows me to do this.

(iv) I love the look on the insecure bikini boys faces when I outlift em whilst they are trying to show off to the girls. Or when the girls look at me when I walk into a club.

Ok so the last one isnt a reason for lifting......it is just a bonus. Didn't I read somewhere that you weigh 200lb or so.....and you think you curl 30-40lb? Whats the point of striving for this look of strength if you are weak as shit?? Lets see you justify your training. Why would you sacrifice functionality (which despite your opinion any human being recognises instantly) for looks?

 

[Prometheus]

solution to ASSalex:

below his post, click "profile"

at bottom of profile, click "add ASSalex to your ignore list"

 

[Arioch]

Several questions for Alex:

1. Why do you post?

2. Why do you post here?

3. Why do you still exist?

I wondered about #'s 1 and 2 after reading your post. Then I actually went and read some of your posts on threads that you have started, and question number three occured to me.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Several questions for Alex:

1. Why do you post?

2. Why do you post here?

3. Why do you still exist?

I wondered about #'s 1 and 2 after reading your post. Then I actually went and read some of your posts on threads that you have started, and question number three occured to me.

1. I post to learn. Most often all I learn is people's temper. Since people like to flame me, sometimes I just post to see all the flames.

2. I asked a geniune question. Yes I admit, I went overboard with characterisation of powerlifters physiques. But still I asked a valid question of WHY?


3. I exists because I am a sweet person. You know me only by my posts, you never met me. I behave differently on msg boards.
Are you threatening me?


WOW. My threads always get to top spots on the page and get the most views/replies!

 

[SSAlexSS]

solution to ASSalex:

below his post, click "profile"

at bottom of profile, click "add ASSalex to your ignore list"

Thank you very much for telling us all where you hold your hands in! I am sure people on this board will appreciate this.

 

[Imnotdutch]

"I am not conceited and you know, that type of person. No I am very modest and make sure I cover up
myself well wherever I go. I don’t body build primary for chicks, but that is a big bonus when I need to.
"Hey you [saying to the chick] feel mine twin peaks. After she feels em, I say. Hard eh? Can I feel your twin peaks??"

//LMAO......and that works?? It might work on a thirteen year old but nobody else.

Or being huge(muscular wise) would be a great job opportunity. Shave your head, grow a mustache and become a bouncer.

//And get your ass kicked the minute things kick off because you forgot to get strong.

When you reach high level you could go on the stage and kicks ass. I have lots of ideas for my posing routine.

//Uh ok whatever. Of course you are likely to be required to do old men certain 'favours' in order to pay your drug bill!! Do you have a problem with that?

As a powerlfiter what can you do?

//Lets see......be a real bouncer. Get real women. Top level security. Or of course you could do what everybody else does and get a degree and a well paying job because you dont spend every waking hour looking in a mirror or doing endless light sets in the gym.

Carry those kegs? I don’t think that that pays well. You cant be a personal trainer to majority of people,
heck I would pay my son to stay away from you. Hehehe.

//You must be afraid that your son might become a real man and kick your butt when he's only ten years old.

I am pissed off for my computer turning off and loosing all my hard work.

//Me too.......my puter at home has decided that it cant boot up.....so I had to come in to work again to finish off some paperwork.

 

[b fold the truth]

Just thougth that I would post 2 pics of SSAlexSS...

 

[SSAlexSS]

Just thougth that I would post 2 pics of SSAlexSS...

well atleast there is big progress from first to 2nd. Digging up old images, eh?

Unlike some of you I didnt start with 200 pounds of solid muscle. I actually have to train, correctly to get it.

 

[b fold the truth]

And the 2nd one. These were found by another member and posted on the training board a few weeks back...

B True

 

[b fold the truth]

well atleast there is big progress from first to 2nd. Digging up old images, eh?

Unlike some of you I didnt start with 200 pounds of solid muscle. I actually have to train, correctly to get it.

You do have more muscle in your first pic than I did in mine...even after gaining 23lbs.

WE do work...

B True

 

[SSAlexSS]

"I am not conceited and you know, that type of person. No I am very modest and make sure I cover up
myself well wherever I go. I don’t body build primary for chicks, but that is a big bonus when I need to.
"Hey you [saying to the chick] feel mine twin peaks. After she feels em, I say. Hard eh? Can I feel your twin peaks??"

//LMAO......and that works?? It might work on a thirteen year old but nobody else.

Or being huge(muscular wise) would be a great job opportunity. Shave your head, grow a mustache and become a bouncer.

//And get your ass kicked the minute things kick off because you forgot to get strong.

When you reach high level you could go on the stage and kicks ass. I have lots of ideas for my posing routine.

//Uh ok whatever. Of course you are likely to be required to do old men certain 'favours' in order to pay your drug bill!! Do you have a problem with that?

As a powerlfiter what can you do?

//Lets see......be a real bouncer. Get real women. Top level security. Or of course you could do what everybody else does and get a degree and a well paying job because you dont spend every waking hour looking in a mirror or doing endless light sets in the gym.

Carry those kegs? I don’t think that that pays well. You cant be a personal trainer to majority of people,
heck I would pay my son to stay away from you. Hehehe.

//You must be afraid that your son might become a real man and kick your butt when he's only ten years old.

I am pissed off for my computer turning off and loosing all my hard work.

//Me too.......my puter at home has decided that it cant boot up.....so I had to come in to work again to finish off some paperwork.

First of all. How much you bench and squat and deadlift doesnt nessesary dictate how much you punch.

Force = mass * acceleration

Power = f * d / time


Deriving actually punching strength you can see that it is that mass and speed that matters. Muscle bulk adds weight to your hand, since I dont train superslow my muscles arent super slow.

Speed + bulk = great punch.

 

[Imnotdutch]

First of all. How much you bench and squat and deadlift doesnt nessesary dictate how much you punch.

Force = mass * acceleration

Power = f * d / time


Deriving actually punching strength you can see that it is that mass and speed that matters. Muscle bulk adds weight to your hand, since I dont train superslow my muscles arent super slow.

Speed + bulk = great punch.

Punch?? I assume you refer to being a bouncer?? I have yet to meet a bouncer who prefers to punch......he/she has to do that job every night so walking around with a broken hand isn't good.

Sorry to burst your bubble but being a good bouncer isn't all about fist fighting especially when your opponent has friends with him and you might well be working alone. Its about getting the job done......for which you don't have to be big or carry alot of muscle.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Punch?? I assume you refer to being a bouncer?? I have yet to meet a bouncer who prefers to punch......he/she has to do that job every night so walking around with a broken hand isn't good.

Sorry to burst your bubble but being a good bouncer isn't all about fist fighting especially when your opponent has friends with him and you might well be working alone. Its about getting the job done......for which you don't have to be big or carry alot of muscle.

Ok. When you are huge you are less likely to be picked on, you look more intimidating.

If the person is small he can be picked on etc. When you are 300 pounds fairly lean you would be less likeely to require to use your strentgth. You just scare off your opponent.

As i was saying before, nobody knows how strong you are. All they do is see your strength. If you say "boo" and weight 150 pounds people laugh at you, not so if you weight 300 pounds.


Just because a guy has big muscles doesnt mean that he is weak! Also large bodymass can be a great advantage (not only in punching. I just used punching as an example. it could be anything, pushing, lifting , carrying).


ok?

 

[solidj55]

Alright Fuck Stick, first off you keep talking about "Being Big" I hate to break it to you but YOUR NOT BIG. You look like you have the body of a fucking child. My 13 year old brother is more muscular than you and he doesnt even lift weights. You look like a fucking faggot in your pics. And second of all, you keep talking about how mass and size make you punch that much harder. So are you fucking telling me that Ronnie Colman can hit harder than Mike Tyson, Muhamad Ali(in his prime), Lennox Lewis, etc etc. I dont think it would even be a contest buddy. Why dont you fucking grow up and stop arguing with everyone. Every person on this board is bigger, stronger, and more than likely looks better than you. So go back to molesting children or whatever the fuck it is you do. Oh and any time you want to test that theory about punching, just let me know because I will buy you a fucking plane ticket to Virginia and we can find out in the airport lobby you fucking dumb ass cock sucker. I dont know why in the hell you think your a fucking guru of weightlifting because everything you say is bullshit backed up by nothing. Go ahead and continue to lift with you sand filled plastic weights in the yard doing 102 sets of arms and see where you are in a year. Probably hurt, possibly the same, or Captain Catabolic status. I will be waiting on the plane ticket request, Naw on second thought I wont hold my fucking breath because a pussy like you wouldnt do that. Most everyone including myself tried to answer you question seriously the first time and you continued to tell us that we were wrong or stupid for the way we feel, well go fuck yourself ass hole.

 

[I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING]

Holy shit!!!! I take back what I said. I didn't realize you were so huge!!!

Is that like a 20 lb dumbell?? In each hand!!???? OMG!!! You are one buff mofo!! You must get all the chicks. Those coke-bottles must help too!!

I think I am now going to convert to bodybuilding. Any tips since you seem to know a lot??

 

[solidj55]

LOL@I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING

 

[b fold the truth]

Holy shit!!!! I take back what I said. I didn't realize you were so huge!!!

Is that like a 20 lb dumbell?? In each hand!!???? OMG!!! You are one buff mofo!! You must get all the chicks. Those coke-bottles must help too!!

I think I am now going to convert to bodybuilding. Any tips since you seem to know a lot??

Hey man...I am all about having a bit of fun...and it is cool to laugh at him when he says things like "pipes" etc...

But for the sake that for some reason that he MAY actually be sincere and not a Troll...I try not to make too much fun of him.

The coke-bottle comment may have been a bit too far...just a thought. That is a bit mean to say.

B True

 

[I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING]

True, but his comments are just asking for it. He started this fire and then added a whole ton of gasoline to it with his comments throughout the thread. His arguments make no sense whatsoever.

If you don't like powerlifting, then go away. This is the powerlifting board. Simple enough.

 

[Screwball]

Oh shit! You guys have me rolling now. SSAlexSS is a "fuckstick". Man, that was a good laugh that I needed after a shitty workout. I feel better.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Alright Fuck Stick, first off you keep talking about "Being Big" I hate to break it to you but YOUR NOT BIG. You look like you have the body of a fucking child. My 13 year old brother is more muscular than you and he doesnt even lift weights. You look like a fucking faggot in your pics. And second of all, you keep talking about how mass and size make you punch that much harder. So are you fucking telling me that Ronnie Colman can hit harder than Mike Tyson, Muhamad Ali(in his prime), Lennox Lewis, etc etc. I dont think it would even be a contest buddy. Why dont you fucking grow up and stop arguing with everyone. Every person on this board is bigger, stronger, and more than likely looks better than you. So go back to molesting children or whatever the fuck it is you do. Oh and any time you want to test that theory about punching, just let me know because I will buy you a fucking plane ticket to Virginia and we can find out in the airport lobby you fucking dumb ass cock sucker. I dont know why in the hell you think your a fucking guru of weightlifting because everything you say is bullshit backed up by nothing. Go ahead and continue to lift with you sand filled plastic weights in the yard doing 102 sets of arms and see where you are in a year. Probably hurt, possibly the same, or Captain Catabolic status. I will be waiting on the plane ticket request, Naw on second thought I wont hold my fucking breath because a pussy like you wouldnt do that. Most everyone including myself tried to answer you question seriously the first time and you continued to tell us that we were wrong or stupid for the way we feel, well go fuck yourself ass hole.

About Ronnie Vs Lennox Lewis/Tyson etc
Well it depends who punch faster. If ronnie punches faster than he is stronger (or atleast if ronnie punches at the same speed.

I may not be big or strong yet but i will, and what I do have over you is intelligence.

Oh and I not violent like you guys over here. Since you act so tough.... Maybe that is a reflection of your childhood ...

 

[growin']

I think most the guys here are pretty laid back, but when you come in spouting negative sterotypes along with bouts of a self-proclaimed superior intellect, you start to get on people's nerves.

This is not an insult, just a hunch, but are you May1010? You kind of look like him in those picks, and your approach to people is similar as well as your attitude.

Lastly, I was once a Poliquin fanatic. His ideas can be useful, everything has its place. His one day arm cure is not an original idea. It was based off the training BB's used to do back in the days. Arnold used to drive out to the country adn do squats all day to bring up his legs. I have always thought the one day cure was interesting, but have never found a place in my training where I felt it would be useful. I can't think of a time where I could go without bending my arms for a whole wee

 

[benchmonster]

Unlike many of the others here, I am not laid back. I am a hard pecker. I am violent. I am aggressive. I am big. I am strong. I will bust your ass if you ever have the guts to spout your bullshit to my face.

I am all the negative powerlifter stereotypes. I am happy about this. If I ever meet you, I might take a shit and wipe my ass with you SSalex. I can't imagine what else you would be good for.

B.

 

[Prometheus]

The coke-bottle comment may have been a bit too far...just a thought. That is a bit mean to say.

you might be right, if he's actually sincere.... but then again, if he sets himself up by insulting people, questioning their sport and intelligence, declaring his own superiority, then maybe he has it coming.... I don't know....

Bfold - is there a story to go along with that new avatar?!?

 

[solidj55]

Ok first off, everyone can tell by your posts that you are not intelligent. I actually couldnt care less if your more intelligent than me because face to face with me your intelligence would get you nothing but hurt. I dont think you should ever mention my childhood or anyone elses again because once you bring in the talking smack about families(at least for me)shit tends to get extremely violent. And I will come to your hometown and fuck you up. And as for this idea that you are such a bad ass and that you can "punch" better than everyone else in here, FUCK YOU. You wouldnt have a fucking chance to throw a punch against me because I would have you wrapped up like a fucking pretzel in about 30 seconds. I was an all-state wrestler about four years ago and an all region linebacker as well so do not ever doubt my athletic abilities. Besides that, I am bigger, stronger, and I guarantee crazier. I hate to even talk shit over the fucking internet because it is just a waste of time but people like you should all be put in a fucking field somewhere and ass raped by a fucking pitbull with rabies. Just go the fuck on to another board you peice of shit.

 

[SSAlexSS]

I am a hard pecker. I am violent. I am aggressive. I am big. I am strong. I will bust your ass if you ever have the guts to spout your bullshit to my face.

I am all the negative powerlifter stereotypes. I am happy about this. If I ever meet you, I might take a shit and wipe my ass with you SSalex. I can't imagine what else you would be good for.

B.

Good for you, maybe one day all your negative stuff turns against you. You cant be bad without bad results, not for long.


Being aggresive is good until you are caught.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Ok first off, everyone can tell by your posts that you are not intelligent. I actually couldnt care less if your more intelligent than me because face to face with me your intelligence would get you nothing but hurt. I dont think you should ever mention my childhood or anyone elses again because once you bring in the talking smack about families(at least for me)shit tends to get extremely violent. And I will come to your hometown and fuck you up. And as for this idea that you are such a bad ass and that you can "punch" better than everyone else in here, FUCK YOU. You wouldnt have a fucking chance to throw a punch against me because I would have you wrapped up like a fucking pretzel in about 30 seconds. I was an all-state wrestler about four years ago and an all region linebacker as well so do not ever doubt my athletic abilities. Besides that, I am bigger, stronger, and C. I hate to even talk shit over the fucking internet because it is just a waste of time but people like you should all be put in a fucking field somewhere and ass raped by a fucking pitbull with rabies. Just go the fuck on to another board you peice of shit.

Do you think a guy who swears looks intelligent? Unlike some of the people I dont use profanities proffusely. Moderation children, moderation is the key.

Also I never said that i can punch harder. Again it seems all in your head, after all you have said quote : "crazier"

You call me stupid yet you are the one who misinterprets things!


Also about you FU statement

I AM NOT SO DESPERATE AND YOU ARE NOT SO LUCKY!

Over the interenet even 98 pounders can talk tough.


Yes you might be able to hurt me. But you are the one going to jail to get gang banged by rapists who enjoy fresh meat! You are the aggressive one.

Stop watching movies, it is not wild west where you can ride your horse and beat up people.

 

[SSAlexSS]

, FUCK YOU. you peice of shit.

I am not so desperate and you are not so lucky.


By those comments we can all see what kind of person you are and what problems you are facing.

 

[Cubanito17]

WHOA YOUR A LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT, Hell I'm 17 and way more built than you are and I only weigh 197lbs @9-11% BF I don't even try to stay around there. I'm damn sure if you keep running your mouth to my boys on this board they might be able to go to jail for whooooping your lil ass but I won't b/c I ain't 18 yet and I know I can take you. Hell I eat lil people like you for a snack.

I can tell your one of those guys that watch everything u eat, make sure that you don't drink too much water and look dehydrated so you look good in womens underwear, am i right??? Well keep talkin shit and messin wit big dawgs and ur lil bikkini wearin ass is gonna get fucked up.

 

[solidj55]

Well I can see its back to your junior high bullshit, man I give up. I can tell that you are one of those faggots that gets his ass beat and calls the cops. Oh and so are you implying that Im a small as guys with that 98lber comment? I am actually 5'5" 190lbs and 12%BF with a 365lb raw bench press a 475lb raw squat and a 425 raw deadlift for you information. And once again your lack of intelligence shows with your comment about me cursing. I never said I was smart and I dont give a fuck if my language makes me sound stupid. And Yea I am a crazy MOFO. Deal with it. OH and I like I said before anytime you want to come to Virginia let me know Ill pay your way. Or I will come to your home town whatever you want faggot. And I dont give a fuck if its the wild west or not asshole. By the way you dont go to prison for a first offense assualt and battery charge you dumb fuck. You may pull a few months maximum in the county jail. GO fucking learn something before you start talking your shit. I know my fucking laws by the way seeing as I am a law student you dumb fucking asshole.

 

[SSAlexSS]

WHOA YOUR A LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT, Hell I'm 17 and way more built than you are and I only weigh 197lbs @9-11% BF I don't even try to stay around there. I'm damn sure if you keep running your mouth to my boys on this board they might be able to go to jail for whooooping your lil ass but I won't b/c I ain't 18 yet and I know I can take you. Hell I eat lil people like you for a snack.

bikkini wearin ass is gonna get fucked up.

HAHAHA! I like when people admit their weakness. You have said it you are just 17. Your goal is simply to be tough as most kids your age do, nothing wrong with. But it is clearly unacceptable at this board. Please refrain from such unacceptable behaviour.

When you are young in body and in spirit you think you can take anybody. I thought so too, but unlike some I grew out of it.


Stop talking about your boys, reading stuff that you and other people write, it scares me. Also do you know any other words than "bigger, beat you up and peice of ****" ? It seems that your plumber jargon is used by near everyone here.


While I enjoy learning about what people do for a living, it kinda gets annoing.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Well I can see its back to your junior high bullshit, man I give up. I can tell that you are one of those faggots that gets his ass beat and calls the cops. Oh and so are you implying that Im a small as guys with that 98lber comment? I am actually 5'5" 190lbs and 12%BF with a 365lb raw bench press a 475lb raw squat and a 425 raw deadlift for you information. And once again your lack of intelligence shows with your comment about me cursing. I never said I was smart and I dont give a fuck if my language makes me sound stupid. And Yea I am a crazy MOFO. Deal with it. OH and I like I said before anytime you want to come to Virginia let me know Ill pay your way. Or I will come to your home town whatever you want faggot. And I dont give a fuck if its the wild west or not asshole. By the way you dont go to prison for a first offense assualt and battery charge you dumb fuck. You may pull a few months maximum in the county jail. GO fucking learn something before you start talking your shit. I know my fucking laws by the way seeing as I am a law student you dumb fucking asshole.

Your body stats dont impress me. Lets leave it at that. Unless you are a fighter, fuggetabout it. But again, everyone here on this board is a super heavyweight national level pro wrestler and boxer. I bet you are going for your pro win tommorow right?


Your language does makes you sound not too smart. Infact I cant beleive how you got to the law school. And of you were that tough and smart you wouldnt act this way. Insecure people act this way to stroke their egos.


I am sorry i meant "attempted assault and battery" and yes you might not go to jail for that. But you would be humiliated atleast. And hey few month is enough in jail (if you get there. With your attutide I can see it happening) to make you rethink your ways. Your exit can tolerate only so much.

BTW, where in virginia are you?

 

[SSAlexSS]

Unlike many of the others here, I am not laid back. I am a hard pecker. I am violent. I am aggressive. I am big. I am strong. I will bust your ass if you ever have the guts to spout your bullshit to my face.

I am all the negative powerlifter stereotypes. I am happy about this. If I ever meet you, I might take a shit and wipe my ass with you SSalex. I can't imagine what else you would be good for.

B.

Threatening over the internet is not too wise. It is guys like you who give us bad name. People like you created such meanings as Roid Rage.

You have the right to remain silent.

 

[b fold the truth]

Don't forget that Alex is another member on the board...just doing this for laughs...

B True

 

[SSAlexSS]

Don't forget that Alex is another member on the board...just doing this for laughs...

B True

Exactly. I respect you bfold you seem to be one of the best here.
Anyone with intelligence is my friend.

I love when people brag about their weaknesses to a board filled with 10000s of people.

I got people calling themselves "crazy" "violent" "worst stereotypes" "not smart" etc.

Not too smart, considering my posts get viewed by most people. Just look at the number of views for this post. That how much people have read about stats of some members of this board.


I LOVE IT!

 

[solidj55]

I dont give a fuck if my body stats impress you. Im not here for that. And no I am not a pro boxer or wrestler for that matter but I am a FIGHTER. And if you want to find out how tough and or smart let me know the offer still stands asshole. Why do you keep fucking posting on this board? Everyone hates you including me. I hope you rot in hell. Stop with the fucking I am smarter than you bullshit. And unless you are coming to Virginia its none of your fucking buisness where I live.

 

[SSAlexSS]

I dont give a fuck if my body stats impress you. Im not here for that. And no I am not a pro boxer or wrestler for that matter but I am a FIGHTER. And if you want to find out how tough and or smart let me know the offer still stands asshole. Why do you keep fucking posting on this board? Everyone hates you including me. I hope you rot in hell. Stop with the fucking I am smarter than you bullshit. And unless you are coming to Virginia its none of your fucking buisness where I live.

How am I supposed to know whom to visit if i dont know where you live?

Are you being scared? Dont turn down the offer!

"If it starts it starts in Virginia."

 

[SSAlexSS]

I dont give a fuck if my body stats impress you. Im not here for that. And no I am not a pro boxer or wrestler for that matter but I am a FIGHTER. And if you want to find out how tough and or smart let me know the offer still stands asshole. Why do you keep fucking posting on this board? Everyone hates you including me. I hope you rot in hell. Stop with the fucking I am smarter than you bullshit. And unless you are coming to Virginia its none of your fucking buisness where I live.

Since I have time off. I am willing to go to virginia. I got some business to do there this summer anyways. Tell me the airport name and time when you can show up. And city too. Then, Ill tell you where to meet me and we will talk ok?

If you turn this down dont call me a looser.

 

[epimetheus]

First of all. How much you bench and squat and deadlift doesnt nessesary dictate how much you punch.

Force = mass * acceleration

Power = f * d / time


Deriving actually punching strength you can see that it is that mass and speed that matters. Muscle bulk adds weight to your hand, since I dont train superslow my muscles arent super slow.

Speed + bulk = great punch.

More bulk does not necessarily mean more mass. Mass is also density. A powerlifter is more dense rather than fluffy and bulky.
Powerlifters also train for speed and power. (hence the name...duh) I would give it to the powerlifter for a better punch.

Not to mention the primary movers in a typical punch are hips, legs and back.(a good punch, not a sissy punch) Biceps are used very little. Size of fist dont mean squat, and I would rather have a smaller fist. A smaller fist with more force has the force spread over a smaller surface area and hence does more damage.

With knowledge comes understanding, with understanding, compassion. Don't be so insecure Alex. Intelligence is such an overrated thing to be bragging about. Learn to be happy with what you have and not to feel the need to insult those you *PERCIEVE* to have less than you.

After all, you are going on about how big negative people push little people around, yet with your bloated head you are pushing others around. (well, trying at least. lol)

 

[SSAlexSS]

More bulk does not necessarily mean more mass. Mass is also density. A powerlifter is more dense rather than fluffy and bulky.
Powerlifters also train for speed and power. (hence the name...duh) I would give it to the powerlifter for a better punch.

Not to mention the primary movers in a typical punch are hips, legs and back.(a good punch, not a sissy punch) Biceps are used very little. Size of fist dont mean squat, and I would rather have a smaller fist. A smaller fist with more force has the force spread over a smaller surface area and hence does more damage.

With knowledge comes understanding, with understanding, compassion. Don't be so insecure Alex. Intelligence is such an overrated thing to be bragging about. Learn to be happy with what you have and not to feel the need to insult those you *PERCIEVE* to have less than you.

After all, you are going on about how big negative people push little people around, yet with your bloated head you are pushing others around. (well, trying at least. lol)

Well I dont need to guess what other peoples are. I KNOW.

I had several people describing themselves as "violent", "crazy", "dumb" and everything, and guess what. I beleive them!

Powerlifters train for speed? Excuses me but weight lifting exercises are not fast at all. I havent seen many people who could squat in 1/10 of a second or have enough momentum to
bench the barbell to the ceiling.

Have you ever seen a speed of a powerlifter? Some of them cant walk properly much less have good fighting endurance, etc. Your heart would give out.

Since all of you are 250 pound behemoths out there I can safely assume that you arent breaking any records in speed.

I am pushing people around? Give me a break. People push me around since when you are 300 pound monster you are tough, right?