Why do women who are raped...

[Big Johnson]

...ask to role-play rape scenerios with their boyfriends? I'm starting to get confused on the whole issue of rape. Do women actually enjoy it?

And don't give me that "its different" crap. My partner before last told me not to stop no matter what she did. Her reasoning was that it wouldn't be as enjoyable unless I actually raped her. I told her we needed a code word just in case she really did want me to stop, but she said "if we have a code word, it won't be actual rape."

It would make things a lot less complicated if women didn't pull this shit and were honest about things.

Females are sick.

 

[danielson]

thats fucking worrying bro........

im not sure if i could do it

 

[circusgirl]

Hmm there is a big difference between actual rape and S&M role playing and scenes.

Many people have submissive fantasies, many people are raped, chances are your girl is in both groups, it may or may not be connected.

Consent is the thing here, she knows you will stop when you utter the "safeword" as it is known in fetish circles. This means it remains at role play - she has control by being able to stop things at any time.

The alt.sex FAQ has some starting guidelines for S&M play (genuine informations sites tend to get swamped by porn when you google). Also check out www.londonfetishscene.com, they should have s&m play guidelines.

Lastly, if you don't feel comfortable doing it, discuss it with your partner - neither of you should feel pressured.

 

[Big Johnson]

It was actually quite a turn on, but I have to admit I was a little worried if I'd be able to get it up the first time I was asked to role play a rape fantasy. The girl above has been one of five women who have asked me to do something along these lines; she wasn't the first. There wasn't anything appealing about it the first time I was asked, but believe it or not its a lot of fun. Then again I like to be in charge when I bone-down

 

[Big Johnson]

she knows you will stop when you utter the "safeword"

She specifically said she didn't want a safeword. This is where it gets confusing.

 

[SAGAT]

[B. Do women actually enjoy it?

[/B]

don't say that. they don't.seriously.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Females are sick.

No, not FEMALES - only these girls in particular. But as this is your experience, I can see how you could deduce such a thing.

Only speaking from personal experience. I never EVER even remotely enjoy any type of forced or rough or slapping/hitting/hurting ANYTHING during any sort of interaction with ANYONE... let alone during sex with a man.

 

[rnch]

thats fucking worrying bro........

im not sure if i could do it

i agree............that four letter word is NOT in my vocabulary............not gonna do it.


i would suggest u find another gf.

 

[Big Johnson]

Re: Re: Why do women who are raped...

slapping/hitting/hurting

I was the one getting all the abuse! She even tried to bite me. I just held her down.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I have encountered more people with odd fetishes than I care to think about BUT if any of these people were someone that I was "into", meaning that I would actually consider dating them, as soon as they disclosed this shit to me, I would drop them like a bad habit.

Sounds to me like these chicks are waaaaaaay warped.

 

[Medusa]

How much did you know about her background BigJohnson?
She may have been damaged by some form of abuse before you met her.

 

[Big Johnson]

How much did you know about her background BigJohnson?
She may have been damaged by some form of abuse before you met her.

She claims to have been raped by an ex-boyfriend, but I've learned not to believe anything women say.

 

[Temple]

Jesus people...rape fanasty is about as normal/common as it gets. If you don't think so just go pick up any trashy romance novel from Walmart. Virtually every single one of them starts with the handsome powerful male forcing himself on the beautiful virgin.
The difference betweeen rape fantasy played out in a relationship and an actual rape is that the woman is attracted to the person that she is in a relationship with and she knows that he won't really hurt her. Basically yes, some women like to be raped. They just don't like to be raped by a stranger or someone that they wouldn't willingly have sex with.

 

[Big Johnson]

I would have agreed with you a few years back. Now, I'm not so sure about all that, Temp.

Why do so many women get raped and never tell anyone?

 

[circusgirl]

She specifically said she didn't want a safeword. This is where it gets confusing.

You MUST have a safeword. Without it things could get very confusing for both of you, and there could be trust issues. Plus on the legal side of things that leaves you wide open.

If necessary you can have a pretend safeword and a real safeword, play with the pretend safeword, but s&m roleplay without safeword can have unpleasant consequences if one of you pushes the other too far and there isn't a way of knowing that.

 

[Big Johnson]

Plus on the legal side of things that leaves you wide open.

Maybe that's what really got her off.

 

[Temple]

Acting out a rape fantasy and actually being raped are two completetly different things. When a woman is really raped she goes thru all the shame, nobody will believe her, doesn't want anyone to know types of feelings.
Actualy rape and rape fanasty are basically opposite sides of the coin. One is extremely pleasurable for some women the other is absolutely horrifying. My advice to men is do NOT act this fantasy out unless you are specifically asked to. If you guess wrong on this you could end up in jail.

 

[Big Johnson]

My advice to men is do NOT act this fantasy out unless you are specifically asked to. If you guess wrong on this you could end up in jail.

Duh. But seriously, everything you are saying is verbal spaghetti; regurgitated psycho-babble. I've had several women tell me they were most ashamed of the fact they enjoyed being raped. Hence, their desire to be raped in such a way as to avoid feeling the shame by having it done to them by a boyfriend.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not an advocate of rape BY ANY MEANS. If anything, the conclusions one tends to draw when they begin to analize the experiences they have had with women who ask to be raped are disturbing.

 

[prophet]

women enjoy being violated... being thrown down, chocked, and stripped bear of all their clothing is most frightening thing for them to overcome. (most womens' men are too much of a pussy to play rough)

once you penatrate them they are more comfortable...they know it feels good. in some cases raped women marry their raper (about 1 in 1 10,000 cases)

the bitches they claim they are scared for life probably were raped some some guy with a 3 inch dong (in this case the woman was horrified by how bad the sex was)

or the woman was raped by some negro with a 14 inch alabama black snake (this would scare me if i was a a girl)

basically rape like anything and it will eventually become accepted as a common practice in society....

 

[Temple]

Duh. But seriously, everything you are saying is verbal spaghetti; regurgitated psycho-babble. I've had several women tell me they were most ashamed of the fact they enjoyed being raped. Hence, their desire to be raped in such a way as to avoid feeling the shame by having it done to them by a boyfriend.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not an advocate of rape BY ANY MEANS. If anything, the conclusions one tends to draw when they begin to analize the experiences they have had with women who ask to be raped are disturbing.

LOL, yeah, maybe.
The thing is that even you said you found it to be "quite a turnon". Would you be equally turned on by actually raping a woman? All I am suggesting is that what can be pleasurable in one situation is not at all pleasurable in another.

 

[Big Johnson]

women enjoy being violated... being thrown down, chocked, and stripped bear of all their clothing is most frightening thing for them to overcome. (most womens' men are too much of a pussy to play rough)

once you penatrate them they are more comfortable...they know it feels good. in some cases raped women marry their raper (about 1 in 1 10,000 cases)

the bitches they claim they are scared for life probably were raped some some guy with a 3 inch dong (in this case the woman was horrified by how bad the sex was)

or the woman was raped by some negro with a 14 inch alabama black snake (this would scare me if i was a a girl)

basically rape like anything and it will eventually become accepted as a common practice in society....

I like the way you think. We ain't in Kansas anymore, Toto.

 

[Bikini Mod]

women enjoy being violated... being thrown down, chocked, and stripped bear of all their clothing is most frightening thing for them to overcome. (most womens' men are too much of a pussy to play rough)

once you penatrate them they are more comfortable...they know it feels good. in some cases raped women marry their raper (about 1 in 1 10,000 cases)

the bitches they claim they are scared for life probably were raped some some guy with a 3 inch dong (in this case the woman was horrified by how bad the sex was)

or the woman was raped by some negro with a 14 inch alabama black snake (this would scare me if i was a a girl)

basically rape like anything and it will eventually become accepted as a common practice in society....

I wonder if you would say the same thing if this "woman" was your wife, your mother or your daughter.

Personally, I think the whole "rape fantasy" thing is sick. But then again, that is only me and if there are TWO CONSENTING ADULTS - oh well.

I honestly can not tell you why a woman would want to fantasize about shit like this, let alone ASK for a man whom she cares about who cares for her in return for such treatment.

I dunno, could have something to do with a nine year old little girl being fondled by some asshole that was old enough to be her father + about 10/20 years....

If I were a guy and my girl (let alone a few girls that I have been intimate with) had asked me to fulfill such a fantasy then I might be lead to believe that women in general have some screws loose when it comes to stuff like this... If nothing else, I would DEFINITELY be scared shitless that it could blow up in my face and I could be facing criminal charges if she gets pissed at me somewhere down the line.

I guess some women are just odd creatures.

Or maybe it is only me.

 

[prophet]

I wonder if you would say the same thing if this "woman" was your wife, your mother or your daughter.

....already raped them (you missed one "sister".... got her too)

 

[Big Johnson]

I guess some women are just odd creatures.

Like...hello, BMom?!?

 

[Bikini Mod]

"Different" maybe....

But definitely NOT odd... LOL

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

What is causing confusion here is the lack of proper terms to describe what is going on. There is no rape here as the sex on both parts is consentual and rape cannot occur between consentual partners. What is really going on is the female wants to be overpowered and dominated in an actual sense, not a roleplay or scripted sense. That is why the suggestion of the safeword is totally ridiculous as the sex then becomes scripted.

 

[Lao Tzu]

where do you meet these women

 

[Big Johnson]

Heh, wherever

 

[Citruscide]

Different, Odd.. it all depends on which side of the fence you are standing on.

IF a woman has been raped before, and then she wants to act out a rape scene with no safeword... well... I'm no licensed psychologist, but I am part of the human race... I'd probably say there is some underlying disturbance there...

Sure, rape scenarios are common... there are women that enjoy a forceful man... rough play, etc... And don't take my word for it, check out some of the pron that is on the net... and if that doesn't do it for you... check out some of the illegal stuff... there is an audience for it, and I'm sorry to say, it isn't just men.

However, having it done FOR REAL in the past and now wanting it done again... begs to ask... what is the underlying REASONING for this behavior? Is she trying to reexperience it again, so that she can feel that what happened before wasn't as bad? If it happens with you, she might try to rationalize that what happened before wasn't a violation of her own body...

Just my 2 cc's

C-ditty

 

[VooDoo Lady]

Here are a couple of insightful threads on the subject (from between the sheets)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=185221&highlight=rape

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=169331&highlight=rape

 

[Baby Gorilla]

Hard call....

....Why do so many women get raped and never tell anyone?

As I've been violated in some serious ways (never raped though), I can understand some of the emotions that go on.

When anyone violates you (sexual or otherwise), there are many issues.

1. Could you have prevented it (i.e., defended yourself)?
2. Could you have avoided it (i.e., should have known it was trouble and get out early)?
3. Could it be you encouraged it (i.e., flirted with danger and got burned)?
4. If you in any way enjoyed it, were you really violated?

Rape victims are scrutinized for good reason. In many places even today, a woman accusing a man of rape can ruin his life, and it is hell if it turns out to be a false accusation. I used to think nobody would lie about such a thing, but some women are psychos who will do anything to get even with a guy. Some women want attention even if it's the bad kind.

However, this scrutiny often results in a true rape victim being raped twice...once by the agressor, then again by the system. Most women would sooner cope with it than report it and deal with the problems that come of it.

Male rapes are even worse. It's not uncommon for a female victim to experience sexual arousal or pleasure in the rape....the body doesn't care, it's just responding to stimuli. That creates feelings of guilt and confusion as we still tend to think you can't enjoy something if it's not consentual. Well, with men, it's worse. A man's sexual arousal can't be hidden. If a man is raped, there are a considerable amount of cases where he gets aroused, and then in court, his "physical reaction" is used against him.

"Well, if you got a hard on when the defendant was going up your ass, you must have been consenting."

"Well, if you managed to get an erection so the lady could have relations with you, it was consentual."

What this does to a man is even more extreme than it seems to impact women, and so when a man is raped, he often won't even get counseling because he's ashamed to admit what happened. Likewise, he's in crisis over how he should interpret his reaction to the rape experience.

In any case, there's a lot of motives for why a rape victim doesn't report the crime.

 

[-SD-]

Re: Hard call....

As I've been violated in some serious ways (never raped though), I can understand some of the emotions that go on.

When anyone violates you (sexual or otherwise), there are many issues.

1. Could you have prevented it (i.e., defended yourself)?
2. Could you have avoided it (i.e., should have known it was trouble and get out early)?
3. Could it be you encouraged it (i.e., flirted with danger and got burned)?
4. If you in any way enjoyed it, were you really violated?

Rape victims are scrutinized for good reason. In many places even today, a woman accusing a man of rape can ruin his life, and it is hell if it turns out to be a false accusation. I used to think nobody would lie about such a thing, but some women are psychos who will do anything to get even with a guy. Some women want attention even if it's the bad kind.

However, this scrutiny often results in a true rape victim being raped twice...once by the agressor, then again by the system. Most women would sooner cope with it than report it and deal with the problems that come of it.

Male rapes are even worse. It's not uncommon for a female victim to experience sexual arousal or pleasure in the rape....the body doesn't care, it's just responding to stimuli. That creates feelings of guilt and confusion as we still tend to think you can't enjoy something if it's not consentual. Well, with men, it's worse. A man's sexual arousal can't be hidden. If a man is raped, there are a considerable amount of cases where he gets aroused, and then in court, his "physical reaction" is used against him.

"Well, if you got a hard on when the defendant was going up your ass, you must have been consenting."

"Well, if you managed to get an erection so the lady could have relations with you, it was consentual."

What this does to a man is even more extreme than it seems to impact women, and so when a man is raped, he often won't even get counseling because he's ashamed to admit what happened. Likewise, he's in crisis over how he should interpret his reaction to the rape experience.

In any case, there's a lot of motives for why a rape victim doesn't report the crime.

Thanks bro, think Im gonna go throw myself in front of a train to get my mind off what you just posted

 

[KAYNE]

...ask to role-play rape scenerios with their boyfriends? I'm starting to get confused on the whole issue of rape. Do women actually enjoy it?

And don't give me that "its different" crap. My partner before last told me not to stop no matter what she did. Her reasoning was that it wouldn't be as enjoyable unless I actually raped her. I told her we needed a code word just in case she really did want me to stop, but she said "if we have a code word, it won't be actual rape."

It would make things a lot less complicated if women didn't pull this shit and were honest about things.

Females are sick.

YOURE JUST ASKING FOR TROUBLE. YOU DO REALIZE THAT IF SHE WANTED TO RUIN YOUR LIFE, SHE COULD. ALL SHE HAS TO DO IS SAY YOU RAPED HER. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT IT WAS ROLE PLAYING AND ALL THE EVIDENCE WILL BE PRESENT. FUCK ROLE PLAYING BULLSHIT!!!

BTW.....GAY PEOPLE USE THE WORD "PARNTER", NOT HETEROSEXUAL MALES. YOU SHOULD HAVE REFERRED TO HER AS "THIS CHICK I WAS FUCKING" OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. DONT BE GAY.



KAYNE