Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger.

[mrplunkey]

Re: Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger

Please proof to me that a half pound of muscle is not possible on anabolics. Your basically saying that no one has ever gained 15 lbs of muscle in a month on cycle.

Let's work around your 1lb/day figure. That's 455 g/day. The maximal safe protein intake rate for an 80kg man is around 245 g/day, but most estimate the maximal protein absorption rate is around 144 to 168 g/day.

Now let's assume it's the top of the range (168 g/day) and every single amino acid consumed gets dehydrated into a protein (which is a ridiculous assumption). You're still vastly short of the 455 g/day mark.

Where does the other nitrogen come from? Are you suggesting we break down N2 from the air?

I'll admit this is an over-simplified calculation, but the mass still has to balance at the end of the day.

 

[2evil]

Re: Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger

Let's work around your 1lb/day figure. That's 455 g/day. The maximal safe protein intake rate for an 80kg man is around 245 g/day, but most estimate the maximal protein absorption rate is around 144 to 168 g/day.

Now let's assume it's the top of the range (168 g/day) and every single amino acid consumed gets dehydrated into a protein (which is a ridiculous assumption). You're still vastly short of the 455 g/day mark.

Where does the other nitrogen come from? Are you suggesting we break down N2 from the air?

I'll admit this is an over-simplified calculation, but the mass still has to balance at the end of the day.

It's WAY over simplified. You're leaving out water and not the nasty, bloated subcutaneous bloat that is normally associated with steroids.

Every tissue in your body derives the majority of it's weight from water. Muscle tissue, fat, your eye balls - everything - weighs what it weighs because of the water that the tissue naturally holds. The driest LOOKING pro bodybuilder is still mainly just a big sack of water.

Nobody puts on ashy dry muscle.

Lean muscle tissue is 75% water at the cellular level
Fat is 14% water
Bone is 22% water

So as new tissue is added more water is required. Make sense?

Our families find out what we really weigh when we're cremated. Other than than - Anabolics work and Monsterdrol seems to be a pretty strong one.

 

[2evil]

Re: Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger

could u use monsterdrol as a 4 week kicker at start of test 10 weeker,,,and then pplex or trenxxxl last 4 weeks up to pct?

After reading some of the logs this would probably work well. I believe Tren XXL would harden you up better than pplex but I've never run these two. It also looks like 6 weeks is optimal for Tren XXL. So 1-4 Monsterdrol, 5-10 Tren XXl.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger

I'm going to run a cycle of MD and Tren XXL and report back with some honest feedback. I may not start until after my yearly vacation in South Beach in a few weeks. (Can't wait!) So expect a review come Feb.

I don't believe these substances will be a replacement for real gear and the duration time should be even less. (Then again, 10 years ago 50mg of drol for 6 weeks would have been considered INSANE. Today, it's nothing). There is a good possibility that these compounds might work well as an adjunct or a easily obtainable replacement for orals as a "kick start." I'll let you know.

 

[mrplunkey]

Re: Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger

It's WAY over simplified. You're leaving out water and not the nasty, bloated subcutaneous bloat that is normally associated with steroids.

It is an oversimplification, but it is one of many ways to underscore the physiological limitations of putting-on "lean" muscle mass of 1 lb per day or greater.

And remember that for every peptide bond you form from two amino acids, you lose a molecule of water -- so the original amino acids are 18 AMU heavier than the proteins they will be forming. So when you say I am "leaving out" water, I wasn't leaving it out -- I was simply assuming water was more or less a net zero gain when the amino acids dehydrate in the first place (it was a can of worms I really didn't want to open).

The real numbers would be virtually impossible to get to I'm guessing. But anyone on anything (not just this particular compound) that says: "I'm two weeks into my cycle and I'm already up 14 lbs!!!" probably doesn't have 14lbs of lean, sustainable, water-free muscle.

 

[2evil]

Re: Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger

I'm going to run a cycle of MD and Tren XXL and report back with some honest feedback. I may not start until after my yearly vacation in South Beach in a few weeks. (Can't wait!) So expect a review come Feb.

I don't believe these substances will be a replacement for real gear and the duration time should be even less. (Then again, 10 years ago 50mg of drol for 6 weeks would have been considered INSANE. Today, it's nothing). There is a good possibility that these compounds might work well as an adjunct or a easily obtainable replacement for orals as a "kick start." I'll let you know.

This will be cool. I look forward to seeing it since you have so much experience and time in the game.

But just from the research I've done and the origins of Monsterdrol/ Superdrol I don't see how Monsterdrol can't be considered "real" gear.

I don't know as much Tren XXl.

 

[2evil]

Re: Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger

The real numbers would be virtually impossible to get to I'm guessing. But anyone on anything (not just this particular compound) that says: "I'm two weeks into my cycle and I'm already up 14 lbs!!!" probably doesn't have 14lbs of lean, sustainable, water-free muscle.

Can't argue with this. My point is just that there is no such thing as "water free" muscle. Regardless of the compound, something is going on if you're up 15 lbs in 30 days with no increase in BF and less subcutaneous water. These reports are common in the logs.

So far the knock on Superdrol and it's clones has been it's harsh sides, particularly the lipid profile issues, not that it doesn't work. Unlike most of the other products out there SD/ MD is an active steroid. It doesn't convert to anything else.

Now, a few more days into this cycle, I've got mild acne on my chest and shoulders (probably from the 1-T) and my balls are aching a bit.

The strength gains are scary and I'm opting for volume over too much heavier weight (although all my lifts are substantially up) because my tendons are tight and sore. I don't want to go through another surgery!

 

[timtim]

Re: Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger

Please proof to me that a half pound of muscle is not possible on anabolics. Your basically saying that no one has ever gained 15 lbs of muscle in a month on cycle.

i dont need to prove anything because the claim is absolutely ridiculous. do the products work? yes. do they live up to these astronomical claims? no way. please dont say a half a pound of muscle a day is possible. even shutting off every other single process the body regulates throughout the day and solely focusing on muscle growth with every ounce of energy still wont result in gains of .5 lbs of muscle a day. the body simply doesnt work that way. mr. plunkey posted some good info for this debate. there is your proof. you want more? do what we all do, find the info and read up.

 

[mphowells]

Re: Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger

i dont need to prove anything because the claim is absolutely ridiculous. do the products work? yes. do they live up to these astronomical claims? no way. please dont say a half a pound of muscle a day is possible. even shutting off every other single process the body regulates throughout the day and solely focusing on muscle growth with every ounce of energy still wont result in gains of .5 lbs of muscle a day. the body simply doesnt work that way. mr. plunkey posted some good info for this debate. there is your proof. you want more? do what we all do, find the info and read up.

So you mean all those ads I see in the gym with a fat man on day 1 and a beast 2 weeks later isn't true - all my dreams have been ruined!

In all fairness though this is interesting and I will be trying the substance for myself.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

Re: Why do bros still use Oral illegal AAS when there is legal ones that are stronger

i dont need to prove anything because the claim is absolutely ridiculous. do the products work? yes. do they live up to these astronomical claims? no way. please dont say a half a pound of muscle a day is possible. even shutting off every other single process the body regulates throughout the day and solely focusing on muscle growth with every ounce of energy still wont result in gains of .5 lbs of muscle a day. the body simply doesnt work that way. mr. plunkey posted some good info for this debate. there is your proof. you want more? do what we all do, find the info and read up.

In about a month I will be starting a monsterdrol cycle along with trenxxl and I will video myself on a scale to prove you wrong and post it. Let me tell you that 15lbs of muscle in a month is not anything crazy bro. It has been done many times.