WHY CARDIO makes you FAT!

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Than you must be in pretty awful cardiovascular shape.

I have always recommended cardio to EVERYBODY. Walking even...its is good for your cardiovascular system.

People tend to forget about conditioning.

Its one thing to be able to lift, but can you run up 10 flights of stairs without panting?

Somehow I doubt it....lol

Cardio is exceedingly good for your heart.

Fonz

only 10?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Than you must be in pretty awful cardiovascular shape.

I have always recommended cardio to EVERYBODY. Walking even...its is good for your cardiovascular system.

People tend to forget about conditioning.

Its one thing to be able to lift, but can you run up 10 flights of stairs without panting?

Somehow I doubt it....lol

Cardio is exceedingly good for your heart.

Fonz

10 would be tough for a lot of guys who do cardio.

My cholesterol is 160. resting HR is 65. BP is 120/70. So where's the detrimental effects of no cardio? But wait a minute...I do work my heart. I lift weights! I also walk and ride a bike. A real one. I just think it's ridiculous to go to a gym to walk on a treadmill or ride a stationary bike and call it exercise.

Also, if you want to use primitive man as an example, they had to walk, and use bursts of energy. There was absolutely no reason for them to jog. They also slept more than modern man.

 

[Fonz]

only 10?

10 was a small example.

In basketball, we used to have to do 10 * 5 at full speed. Now that was brutal. That was just one run too.

Volleybal players do them a lot.

Fonz

 

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10 was a small example.

In basketball, we used to have to do 10 * 5 at full speed. Now that was brutal. That was just one run too.

Volleybal players do them a lot.

Fonz

haha nice

I got pretty good at running stairs, because at my ex-gf's I'd always get so frustrated in her apartment building, so I'd run up and down the 16 flights of stairs till I was ready to drop dead.

 

[jboldman]

Nelson, you and i do the same type of cardio, i also lift weights, walk, and ride a bike. Amazing that we engage in exactly the same types of exercise and argue so much!

Perhaps, as the line goes, "what we have here is a failure to communicate!"

jb

10 would be tough for a lot of guys who do cardio.

My cholesterol is 160. resting HR is 65. BP is 120/70. So where's the detrimental effects of no cardio? But wait a minute...I do work my heart. I lift weights! I also walk and ride a bike. A real one. I just think it's ridiculous to go to a gym to walk on a treadmill or ride a stationary bike and call it exercise.

Also, if you want to use primitive man as an example, they had to walk, and use bursts of energy. There was absolutely no reason for them to jog. They also slept more than modern man.

 

[pharmguy]

Also, if you want to use primitive man as an example, they had to walk, and use bursts of energy

Yes, And if I remember correctly, primitive man died in their 40's

 

[brownpaperbag04]

No, the subject of this thread is that cardio makes you fat. the summary is just fine, all it says is that after eating, cardio trained folks burn fat at the same rate as others! Period, nothing about them being more susceptible to gaining fat and nothing about the fat burned during cardio. i suggest YOU go back and read the article and then try drawing LOGICAL conclusions. Try rereading your posts inlight of the article presented, there is NOTHING there that has cardio making folks gain fat. You really should give this up, there are more important battles and points to be won other than trying to read something into an article that not only is not there but is counter to every single piece of real evidence and logic presented.

the point has already been made and accepted that weight training is an effective method off fat burning, that is not the subject nor the title of this discussion.

jb

jboldman...you never give up do you? I thought we could've eliquently ended this arguement at page 5...I guess not.

If you re-read the ORIGNAL article posted on this page, you will find that the author offers lifting as a better alternative to cardio. He uses that point THROUGHOUT his article. ...For the next few pages after the article, people argued about cardio vs. weightlifting, cardio vs. diet, and colorful opinions of the author...

As far as the article I posted from AJCN, other (much older and widely known) research shows people with more muscle DO burn fat faster than the average person....I can post some articles about the research if you want to read them, but I thought that point was blatently obvious to everyone who knew anything about biology. A resonable conslusion from that is that lifting will be more effective at burning fat than cardio will.

I hope this has made things more clear.

 

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jboldman...you never give up do you? I thought we could've eliquently ended this arguement at page 5...I guess not.

If you re-read the ORIGNAL article posted on this page, you will find that the author offers lifting as a better alternative to cardio. He uses that point THROUGHOUT his article. ...For the next few pages after the article, people argued about cardio vs. weightlifting, cardio vs. diet, and colorful opinions of the author...

As far as the article I posted from AJCN, other (much older and widely known) research shows people with more muscle DO burn fat faster than the average person....I can post some articles about the research if you want to read them, but I thought that point was blatently obvious to everyone who knew anything about biology. A resonable conslusion from that is that lifting will be more effective at burning fat than cardio will.

I hope this has made things more clear.

And this is why people lift and do "cardio", lift for muscles, which help burn calories, and make them look good, or whatever other reasons..

cardio-aerobic exercise for heart benefits and burning EXTRA calories.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Heart benefits? I love pseudo scientific conclusions. 45 minutes of fast paced Weight lifting till you are wet with sweat like you strepped out of the shower will give me all the Heart benefits i need. No need to run.

I proved it to myself by training like this for 6 weeks then went running, i did a 8 minute mile having done NO cardio to build up endurance and i weigh abtut 240 lbs at 6'3. Needless to say it's harder for me to move then most.

I find cardio to be unnecassary but not useless. Cardio in conjunction with weights gets me overtrained real fast, like within a week i will loose muscle and look fat, and that's with HIT style spronts. That beign said i just use weights to accomplish the same thing.

 

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Heart benefits? I love pseudo scientific conclusions. 45 minutes of fast paced Weight lifting till you are wet with sweat like you strepped out of the shower will give me all the Heart benefits i need. No need to run.

I proved it to myself by training like this for 6 weeks then went running, i did a 8 minute mile having done NO cardio to build up endurance and i weigh abtut 240 lbs at 6'3. Needless to say it's harder for me to move then most.

I find cardio to be unnecassary but not useless. Cardio in conjunction with weights gets me overtrained real fast, like within a week i will loose muscle and look fat, and that's with HIT style spronts. That beign said i just use weights to accomplish the same thing.

how is it psuedo science? exercise for the heart has been well documented...

but you're right you could acomplish this with weights... so what.. When I do weights, I like to do heavy weights with about 2 min breaks between sets, not short breaks, light weight, high rep.. so for heart exercise I'd prefere to do say a run, some time on my exercycle or perhaps some type of sport.

if you like doing the fast paced weights, then fine, that's YOUR ideal way of doing exercise for your heart, and or fatloss. NOT MINE, and it's by no means psuedo science.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Also, if you want to use primitive man as an example, they had to walk, and use bursts of energy

Yes, And if I remember correctly, primitive man died in their 40's

As would modern man without the present medical advances.

Using the pratice of primitive man as an example is not to show what is better, but to show how our bodies were designed to be used through evolution and how to make the most of our genetic abilities.

 

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As would modern man without the present medical advances.

Using the pratice of primitive man as an example is not to show what is better, but to show how our bodies were designed to be used through evolution and how to make the most of our genetic abilities.

interesting, though.. I'm not sure if we were designed say... for any specific type of exposure, due the the incredible ways in which our bodies are able to adapt to their environment, IMO we are a highly adaptable life form, but certainly some things will be harder on us with an immediate impact.

 

[Fonz]

As would modern man without the present medical advances.

Using the pratice of primitive man as an example is not to show what is better, but to show how our bodies were designed to be used through evolution and how to make the most of our genetic abilities.

I'd have to diasagree.

Look at those japanese fisherman aisolated from the big cities b/c they live in rocky coves.

They are healthy as can be and live to be 100-110 years old.

IMO, everybody is born with a "genetic time of death". Envirnomental factors and other factors simply shorten this time.

Now, with advances in genetics, I think its possible to increase this "genetic time of death" further.

Fonz

 

[drveejay11]

IMO, everybody is born with a "genetic time of death". Envirnomental factors and other factors simply shorten this time.

I agree!

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'd have to diasagree.

Look at those japanese fisherman aisolated from the big cities b/c they live in rocky coves.

They are healthy as can be and live to be 100-110 years old.

IMO, everybody is born with a "genetic time of death". Envirnomental factors and other factors simply shorten this time.

Now, with advances in genetics, I think its possible to increase this "genetic time of death" further.

Fonz

I agree, but it's a seperate issue from what I'm talking about.

I also think, a non polutted, stress free life can allow us to live far longer than the standard 75 years or so.

On a similar topic, I was reading about how the giant tortise lives to be up to 120 years of age (and they sure ain't doing any aerobics). But what was interesting is, it's usually disease that gets them. They don't really die from "old age".

 

[jboldman]

I guess i am tenacious! I was basically responding to your comment and here i quote,"anyway, here is some of the info I was reading about how cardio is more susceptable to fat gain. ..." Clearly the article you posted does not support or even allude to this. The entire balance of this thread has been exclusively either weight training and the hell with cardio or cardio and weight training. I have read not a single post about substituting cardio for weight training. As i have previously mentioned, it is well documented that weight training is an effective calorie burner(i'm not sure why you need to bring this up in your discussion with me since i have never indicated it was not), i have addressed myself soley to the issue of cardio making you susceptible to fat gain and actually making you gain fat, clearly an erroneous assumption since there is not a shred of evidence to support this. i would suggest that a graceful way to end this discussion is to either find some research that shows cardio causes fat gain or carefully read my posts and all the others that simply state that for "us" weight traing AND cardio are the optimal balance of exercise for muscle gaining, weight control, and fitness.

Unfortunately i have a hard time backing away when folks post articles and studies that say one thing and draw conclusions that say another.

If you want to do additional high rep low weight cardio instead of walking or jogging such as nelson suggests, be my guest, i see nothing wrong or contradictatory about that. I may even try it although my favorite cardio right now is walking, it is both a fat loss, fitness enhancing activity as well as a social event that my wife and i share.

jb

jboldman...you never give up do you? I thought we could've eliquently ended this arguement at page 5...I guess not.

If you re-read the ORIGNAL article posted on this page, you will find that the author offers lifting as a better alternative to cardio. He uses that point THROUGHOUT his article. ...For the next few pages after the article, people argued about cardio vs. weightlifting, cardio vs. diet, and colorful opinions of the author...

As far as the article I posted from AJCN, other (much older and widely known) research shows people with more muscle DO burn fat faster than the average person....I can post some articles about the research if you want to read them, but I thought that point was blatently obvious to everyone who knew anything about biology. A resonable conslusion from that is that lifting will be more effective at burning fat than cardio will.

I hope this has made things more clear.