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roids4life

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Many people say that roids aren't good under the age of 21 or so. I agree to some point. However, if you look at young male bodybuilders/fitness models who have used them at a young age, they all have incredible gains and there isn't any noticeable side effects, not even acne!!
Example of these guys are;

Jeff seid

Alexey Lesukov

Lorenzo Becker

CHECK THEIR TRANSFORMATION VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE!

None of these guys admitted to use steroids, but its pretty obvious since they did. Many people might say that Jeff seid's body is attainable without using AS however, Jeff seid started training at the age of 16 and now he's 18. Im pretty sure two years of training without AS he wont have the body he has now.

My question is why can't teens use steroids at LOW doses?
For example Arnold used steroids at the age of 16. I know his body got f***ed later on but thats because he used AS every single day and never got off them.
My point is that his results were simply amazing. By the age of 19 he had a fantastic body, If he trained double as hard with good nutrition NATURALLY he wouldn't have got the same results, for sure.

Furthermore, most of the dangerous side effects of AS like shutting down test permanently, liver problems etc.. are all causes of high doses. Weather you are young or old the same side effects are going to happen if you take high doses of any steroid.

So as I said earlier why can't teens use AS in low doses or use light steroids like "anavar"?

Thank you in advance.

Ps: please dont tell me "it would kill you" or "its bad" because that won't convince anyone. Please give me reasons of why low doses or "light" steroids are bad too.
 
You answered your own question. If you're 18 or around the age, you have enough test in your body to build an incredible base in a few short years or quicker if you do it right. You'll reach your genetic potential at a younger age and then you can consider using roids but why shut down your natural test with a "low dose" when your body is already raging with these hormones at a high level? Not to mention you haven't even had a chance to figure out what you want in life nor do you have any clue what you timely want from life yet. You may decide in a few years that this isn't for you, and you've already been fucking with your hormones. What If you fuck up your nuts and seminal count and now you're 25 and want kids but you've already fucked with your hormones for 7 years? You may think you have it figured out at 18, we all did, but you haven't matured enough to possibly know if this is the best decision for you or your future. What is the rush anyway? Everyone wants a simple, overnight solution to problems like these but bodybuilding should be a slow process. Slow down and use your natty hormones while you still have them
 
Your right bro, but what do you mean by "doing it right". What is doing it right? I have been training since I was 15 and I have gained some muscle but compared to these guys Im nothing. Two are monsters and the other one is as ripped as fuck. I know nutrition plays a big role, rest and training. But does that mean I should eat as much as I can? keep on eating? wouldn't I add like 6% more fat on to my body if I ate like there is no tomorrow?
 
you spend too much time on youtube.. all those kids you named still look like kids and if you can't tell then I don't know what to tell you. put them up against a 40 year bodybuilder and they would get laughed off stage. also I'm sorry to burst your bubble but yes from 16-18 you can naturally transform the shit out of your body with a simple and cheap diet and training your ass off. I know cause I did it myself. i'm sorry you aren't getting the results you want yet but thats your own fault, and hate to break it to you too but you will never look like lorenzo booker or whatever that kids name is i don't care how much steroids you inject. he has amazing genetics.. and for you to cruise youtube with this fantasy needs to stop. not gonna happen however it doesn't mean you still can't lift for YOURSELF instead of trying to be like others and make gains

this isn't for debate.. its the rules.. if we allow 20 year olds, then you will come back and say why not drop it to 19.. then it will be why not 18.. then 17... then 12. 21 is the rule. either accept it or find another forum.

to answer your question 21 is actually too young too.. if i made the rules it would be 26. but I don't make the rules.

reason being is a person does not mature into a man and I'm not just talking about physically, but I am talking about mentally.. till they are in their mid to late 20's. its silly for you to think that at 24 you know anything about yourself. much less at 17. you still don't know shit. you will figure that out as you get older and for many of us learn the hard way. just ask anyone who gets married at 20 five or ten years later if they did the right thing. the answer 99% of the time is no and they end up divorced.

so cliff notes is you are too fucking immature mentally and physically.. and at 19 I was making 6 figures A MONTH at my job. i'm not kidding and I thought I was the shit and knew everything. looking back I didn't know shit.. i was obsessed with chasing pussy and trying to impress everyone else... if i could go back in time I would of done A LOT of things differently but I can't. so don't come back and say "i'm mature for my age blah blah blah" nutrition and diet is no different than money or women. everyone needs to find their way and at 20 you don't know shit yet. hell there are even 40 year olds who are still clueless on these things just less clueless than they were 20 years ago :)

and also small doses of hormones will still suppress your HPTA. it doesn't have to be large amounts. yes even anavar will. not sure who told you any different.
 
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No one said bodybuilding was easy. I don't know the clowns you are describing but they may be juicing or not. I don't know or care. Fuck them. You aren't them. Also remember that everyone is very different. I've worked hard for several years also and I feel like I've had the worlds slowest progress. It's called genetics. Look at the rest of your family. When I look at mine, I understand why it's hard to add mass. Maybe the guys you're describing have Arnold genetics but like I said, you aren't them nor will ever be them. If you want to be better, just eat clean foods and a shit ton of them. Complex carbs, good protein sources, healthy fats. All whole foods 6-8 meals EVERY DAY. Don't drink. Don't smoke. If you do drink, be responsible and don't binge. Change up your workouts every few months. I like to lift in the 4-8 rep range for strength for a few months, then lift in the 8-12 rep range for hypertrophy the next few months. Use natural OTC supps like creatine to help you, as long as you use supps that don't mess with hormones like PH's. Research all over the Internet about body building and what it's really all about and you'll find tricks and tips that you'll use all the time. It's a game to me. Me vs my will vs mind vs my body. Dont worry so much about fat gain. Thats why we eat clean, to maximize muscle gain and minimize fat gain. We also Bulk, cut, and bulk again. Its just another factor of the game. You'll learn mind and muscle connection and once you realize this is a lifestyle and not a hobby, you'll be able to enjoy doing it naturally for a few more years or even longer..
 
+1 on what everyone has said no means no, plain and simple just wait, I see kids your age all time at the gym, they hop on the juice then months later they hop off and there the same size they were or smaller before they started.

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Jbranken said:
No one said bodybuilding was easy. I don't know the clowns you are describing but they may be juicing or not. I don't know or care. Fuck them. You aren't them. Also remember that everyone is very different. I've worked hard for several years also and I feel like I've had the worlds slowest progress. It's called genetics. Look at the rest of your family. When I look at mine, I understand why it's hard to add mass. Maybe the guys you're describing have Arnold genetics but like I said, you aren't them nor will ever be them. If you want to be better, just eat clean foods and a shit ton of them. Complex carbs, good protein sources, healthy fats. All whole foods 6-8 meals EVERY DAY. Don't drink. Don't smoke. If you do drink, be responsible and don't binge. Change up your workouts every few months. I like to lift in the 4-8 rep range for strength for a few months, then lift in the 8-12 rep range for hypertrophy the next few months. Use natural OTC supps like creatine to help you, as long as you use supps that don't mess with hormones like PH's. Research all over the Internet about body building and what it's really all about and you'll find tricks and tips that you'll use all the time. It's a game to me. Me vs my will vs mind vs my body. Dont worry so much about fat gain. Thats why we eat clean, to maximize muscle gain and minimize fat gain. We also Bulk, cut, and bulk again. Its just another factor of the game. You'll learn mind and muscle connection and once you realize this is a lifestyle and not a hobby, you'll be able to enjoy doing it naturally for a few more years or even longer..
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smart man.
 
Its funny i was just having this convo with a young man at the gym this morning. Forget about gains and all that, its more about mentally being able to handle what you are putting into your body as stevesmi said. I know how i feel on test right now at 34, i cant even imagine the trouble i would have gotten into with extra running through me. I started lifting weights at 13 so i had a pretty good leg up on some guys when i got to my senior year in high school.I was 180lbs, then I added creatine the summer before my senior year and by the time i hit college i was 202. Its so important to build that good strong foundation and make sure you are at your peak before going to the next level. Have you ever seen a white belt try to fight a black belt after he has taken couple months of classes? thinks he knows it all till he finds out he doesnt know enough.lol

The point i am trying to make is that even though you think you have made all your gains, I'm sure you can do more. btw i started out at 135 lbs. I'm 5'8" if you were wondering. I just dont see why their is this rush to be big or whatever. because of my foundation i can take off 6 months and go right back to where i was in couple weeks. and i've never had an injury lifting at all..... only doing jiu jitsu
 
Don't get discouraged and give into the pressures. You'll be fine just work hard. Good luck
 
I was in my mid 30's before I even started thinking about AAS. My late twenties and early thirties were some of the best lifting years of my life. Granted, my day revolved around it to some extent, but not one person believed I was natural at that point either. I've seen some crazy stuff happen natural, to me and others. It is possible, and would not be so uncommon if people want it bad enough.
 
Life has so much potential. To not pull every ounce of fight out of yourself every chance you get are the seeds of regret. "Why can't we do AAS?" You can do AAS. In fact, you can do anything you want, but there will be effects for those causes. And interfering with your raging hormone levels that you can enjoy naturally up into your mid-twenties (and beyond) is a cause for long term problems.
 
When I was around 13 I got into lifting my dads concrete weights in my basement. I thought it was fun. It was a cool life style. I worked my ass off. The main thing for me has always been to lift, and have a diet based around my lifting and my health.

I'm lucky that I never did it for vanity. It has always been a competition with myself, for myself. I think a lot of people make the mistake of caring what other lifters are lifting, or what they look like, or how they have to lift heavy weights because people are watching them.

I dabbled in roids for 2 short cycles in my twenties, but other than that I have been clean. I competed in powerlifting a few times and did pretty well thanks to good genetics and working harder than others. A lot of guys that were into juicing back then have stopped lifting and gotten fat, are on TRT, etc. They had a few glory years but it didn't last because they were focused on the prize more than the journey.

It's been 39 years since I was 13 lifting concrete weights in the basement. I never stopped lifting. I am still fit, still strong, still in the gym consistently. I still have normal testosterone levels naturally.

I'm not saying my way is the best way. I understand how people want to be a certain size or strength or body type. But, if you can lift because you love lifting, look forward to it, can't live without it, and forget all the rest, you will be a healthy happy person for life.

Think long term.
 
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RyanGreg said:
How does this guy look like a "little kid" ??

Dude is massive!

Alexey Lesukov - Google Search
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actually yes he does. its actually quite disturbing to me.. his face looks like a 15 year old and his muscles look raw and new... kids shouldn't have that kind of body yet sorry and I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that looks normal and 'massive' as you put it

18 year olds should be focusing on their education, not trying to look like this and he is a shitty role model. granted the .1% of people out there that have his genetics are born to bodybuild (just like how lebron james is born to play hoops), but the other 99.9% aren't and should wait to use hormones later on in life. and no based on your threads and stats you put up you aren't in that .1% group ryan so get that fantasy out of your head nor am I.. and nor is just about everyone who is posting on this forum. and thats OKAY. be all YOU can be and stop trying to look like others.

this kid will blow out his HPTA and be on hrt forever even if he quits bodybuilding and i bet since he is pumping all that insulin in his body and he is carrying so much mass that he will develop diabetes at a very young age as well. or he could end up like so many and kill himself from diuretics abuse. is it worth it? perhaps to him. but to the other 99.9% who won't even come close to looking like him its a waste of a life ending up like zyzz and dead at 20.

its like saying the kid in the hood who gets straight A's should drop out of high school and pursue an NBA career playing in the D leagues instead of going to college and getting an education with a full scholarship. he has a .1% chance of making the NBA but has a very high chance of finishing college and making something out of himself. which should he choose? the thing is at that age you are obsessed with showing off to your friends that you forget whats better 10 years from now, not tomorow
 
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stevesmi said:
actually yes he does. its actually quite disturbing to me.. his face looks like a 15 year old and his muscles look raw and new... kids shouldn't have that kind of body yet sorry and I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that looks normal and 'massive' as you put it

18 year olds should be focusing on their education, not trying to look like this and he is a shitty role model. granted the .1% of people out there that have his genetics are born to bodybuild (just like how lebron james is born to play hoops), but the other 99.9% aren't and should wait to use hormones later on in life. and no based on your threads and stats you put up you aren't in that .1% group ryan so get that fantasy out of your head nor am I.. and nor is just about everyone who is posting on this forum. and thats OKAY. be all YOU can be and stop trying to look like others.

this kid will blow out his HPTA and be on hrt forever even if he quits bodybuilding and i bet since he is pumping all that insulin in his body and he is carrying so much mass that he will develop diabetes at a very young age as well. or he could end up like so many and kill himself from diuretics abuse. is it worth it? perhaps to him. but to the other 99.9% who won't even come close to looking like him its a waste of a life ending up like zyzz and dead at 20.
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Good point bringing up Zyzz. He's a perfect example
 
I don't necessarily agree with most of the philosophical arguments presented, but there are definitely physiological concerns that the OP should be aware of. The "dangers" are not exactly quantifiable and are hugely variable between people... but here is what you need to know:

Oestrogens stimulate secondary sexual characteristics and epiphyseal fusion primarily by modulation of the GH-insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) axis.

In other words, elevated estradiol will prematurely trigger growth plate fusion. However, that doesn't necessarily mean you will stunt your growth as other studies indicate a reversal of the process after recovery. Its also important to realize that even with non-aromitizing compounds, your IGF-1 axis is affected.

There's a really informative PDF attached I found on another forum. But the bottom line is that at any dosage and even compounds like var WILL impact your pubertal growth -- to what degree or consequence they will have (if any) is too variable to generalize.

With all that said and done, like Stevesmi and others have mentioned, maturity plays a huge role there. Can you cycle safely as a teenager? Probably. Are you likely to maintain that safety? Probably not.
 
Well ... all has been said that needs to be said. I agree with Steve ... when I was 24/25 I thought I knew shit ... but as I got to 28, I started to realize that I didn't. Then my 30's came and I realized that I REALLY didn't and so it goes on. Once you have reached a level of maturity and experience in life and have actually grown up, then you will often find that your outlook , opinions and reasoning around A LOT OF different things in life have changed ... some of them drastically so.

While you still have the advantage of loads of natural Test in your body ... use it to your FULL ADVANTAGE ... I wish I knew then what I do now.

It is so true ... youth is wasted on the young.
 
Jbranken said:
Good point bringing up Zyzz. He's a perfect example
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I don't that zyzz is a perfect example for not starting aas young. That dude abused them. Also he died from dehydration not from juice induced organ failure. It was diuretics and trying to dry out That combination will kill you at any age, 21 or 41.

I agree that the main reason for not starting young I education. Understanding way AAS are, an the effect on the body. How they actually affect your body at 21 vs 31 isn't nearly as dangerous.
 
tha_Waco_kid said:
I don't that zyzz is a perfect example for not starting aas young. That dude abused them. Also he died from dehydration not from juice induced organ failure. It was diuretics and trying to dry out That combination will kill you at any age, 21 or 41.

I agree that the main reason for not starting young I education. Understanding way AAS are, an the effect on the body. How they actually affect your body at 21 vs 31 isn't nearly as dangerous.
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I'm not just talking about aas. I'm talking about a level of maturity that an individual should have before self medicating.
 
Jbranken said:
I'm not just talking about aas. I'm talking about a level of maturity that an individual should have before self medicating.
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no disagreement with you there - I'm 32. The difference in maturity and knowledge between 32 and 22 for me is unreal. When you are 21 years old you really do think you know all you'll need to know.....but in reality you don't know s***.....speaking from experience :)
 
yeah i wish i could go back in time.. i think we all do.

the bright side for me is no kids and no bitch wife to deal with or alimony.. one of the few things I can look back and say i did right. only because i LISTENED to people older than me who said "don't do it" glad i didn't.

now we tell the young guys not to mess with hormones.. really up to them if they want to do it or not. it sure is tempting though with forums like this.. i was smart enough though to realize its not the hormones that make you gain, its the diet and training. thats probably why i felt no need to use them when i was younger. a lot of younger guys don't have the fitness IQ to understand that and use them and go nowhere and either quit or just keep upping the dosage.
 
stevesmi said:
yeah i wish i could go back in time.. i think we all do.

the bright side for me is no kids and no bitch wife to deal with or alimony.. one of the few things I can look back and say i did right. .
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Heeeeeyyyyyy now. Wow that statement is awfully bitter my friend! :) sure the alimony thing sounds bad but that is assuming you would have gotten divorced already.
I didn't listen either and I got married pretty young. However my wife and kids are the joy of my life - so maybe you didn't do it right after all. Some things are worth jumping into. But As long as you are happy where you are at, that's all that matters.

Contrary to popular belief, the whole family thing isn't always terrible ;)
 
Essie said:
Well ... all has been said that needs to be said. I agree with Steve ... when I was 24/25 I thought I knew shit ... but as I got to 28, I started to realize that I didn't. Then my 30's came and I realized that I REALLY didn't and so it goes on. Once you have reached a level of maturity and experience in life and have actually grown up, then you will often find that your outlook , opinions and reasoning around A LOT OF different things in life have changed ... some of them drastically so.

While you still have the advantage of loads of natural Test in your body ... use it to your FULL ADVANTAGE ... I wish I knew then what I do now.

It is so true ... youth is wasted on the young.
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many many people ssay "While you still have the advantage of loads of natural test in your body ... use it to your FULL ADVANTAGE ... I wish I knew then what I do now."

Im not arguing, I'm not using them anymore. However, what is the things that you wish you knew back then?
 
Why can't you drive a car when you're 7 years old? I've seen people do it and they didn't die.
 
tha_Waco_kid said:
Heeeeeyyyyyy now. Wow that statement is awfully bitter my friend! :) sure the alimony thing sounds bad but that is assuming you would have gotten divorced already.
I didn't listen either and I got married pretty young. However my wife and kids are the joy of my life - so maybe you didn't do it right after all. Some things are worth jumping into. But As long as you are happy where you are at, that's all that matters.

Contrary to popular belief, the whole family thing isn't always terrible ;)
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you got lucky.

the girl i dated when i was 19-23 i look back and I'm luck YUK!! it is so true that people change. the person you find attractive at 23 you won't find attractive at 33. same for the female.

the fact that you lucked out is fortunate. also it might be because you are in Texas and the culture there is different. ie: meeting a girl who is gonna stick by you no matter what and is selfless. hard to find that at 23 in 95% of the country.
 
roids4life said:
Hahahah I see. Are there any famous bodybuilders or fitness models who are proven to be natural or so?
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there are zero ones that got to where they got because of just using hormones

you should be focusing on learning right now. once you get older you can for sure experiment with hormones, not telling you not to at all in the FUTURE.

i would put in years of natural training first. dont worry what your friend of zyzz does. zyzz is dead btw, and it could have been prevented had he taken a long term approach to the situation.
 
Wow, damn! I was a beast in my early 20's, hell didn't run my first PH til just recently and I'm 40. That is the scared straight version right. Glad there are solid knowlegeable guys here. That video blew me away.
 
roids4life said:
many many people ssay "While you still have the advantage of loads of natural test in your body ... use it to your FULL ADVANTAGE ... I wish I knew then what I do now."

Im not arguing, I'm not using them anymore. However, what is the things that you wish you knew back then?
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For one, I wish I knew more about a proper diet and how to properly train so I could have built a good base at a younger age. Also wish I hadn't done so much on and off lifting and just stuck with it and learned what bodybuilding actually was. I didn't know that stuff at 18. I feel l'd look much different today if I had
 
put 10 minute workout video on youtube then tell me exactly what you ate the last three days and I'll tell you if you train hard enough to take advantage of steroids.
 
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