Why Bromocriptine can lower testosterone levels and should not always be used during cycle to surpess prolactin .

[boston789]

tell me about it look at the ross's thread .. all his studies were done with male rats and castrated hamsters...
go back and see for yourself..

real world test in HUMAN MALES show surpressing prolactin can cuase lower testosterone and androgen uptake..

why would someone needs to reduce prolactin on a 300mg of primo,80 mg of anavar a week cycle? when prolactin is not a issue further surpessing it would cuase the steroids to be less effective and actually surpress the testicles more then just the steroids alone.


so it is safe to say only when elevated prolactin is a issue will surpression work to help bring back the hpta and sex drive...

but no need to lower it duringa cycle that does not involve increased prolactin

Good point....I was thinking the samething as well.

 

[Ross]

Good point....I was thinking the samething as well.

DECREASING PROLACTIN to ZERO while on cycle will DESENSITIZE THE HPTA!

In normal circumstances HIGH prolactin will cause a DECREASE in testosterone and prolactin that is TOO LOW will alo cause a decrease in testosterone.

However, when ON CYCLE we want SUBNORMAL levels of Prolactin so that the HPTA becomes DESENSITIZED! When the HPTA becomes desensitized it can not "SENSE" anabolic steroids in the body and continues to produce ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE despite beiing on EXOGENOUS TETOSTERONE.

 

[mattrich]

jesus FUCKING christ!! PLEASE stop with THE FUCKING capital LETTERS thing!!

 

[Ross]

To make this simple.

Decreasing Prolactin to *SUBNORMAL LEVELS* while ON CYCLE will DESENSITIZE the HPTA.

 

[chazk]

To make this simple.

Decreasing Prolactin to *SUBNORMAL LEVELS* while ON CYCLE will DESENSITIZE the HPTA.

to make this simple. YOUR HAVE NO HUMAN STUDIES TO PROVE THIS.
No it will not desensitize the HPTA ross if it did you would have no problem proving this to me with ahuman study but you cant you resort to animal testing in lab rats and castrated hamsters.

ross your theory has been debunked .It only works in your head and no where else.

 

[Ross]

to make this simple. YOUR HAVE NO HUMAN STUDIES TO PROVE THIS.
No it will not desensitize the HPTA ross if it did you would have no problem proving this to me with ahuman study but you cant you resort to animal testing in lab rats and castrated hamsters.

ross your theory has been debunked .It only works in your head and no where else.

Why not run an experiment?

Let's take 10 Subjects(people)...

Group 1

Get your blood levels checked PRE-CYCLE. Run a Testosterone cycle, 500mgs weekly for 10 weeks. Get your blood levels checked again, BEFORE PCT.


Group 2

Get your blood levels checked PRE-CYCLE. Run a Testosterone cycle at 500mgs weekly for 10 weeks, but INCLUDE a Dopamine agonist such as Cabergoline throughout the cycle's duration. Get your blood levels checked again, BEFORE PCT.

I will GUARANTEE that GROUP 1 experiences a STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT GREATER SUPPRESSION OF THE HPTA than GROUP 2, who uses the Dopamine Agonist.

Everything WE KNOW is based on RATS buddy. Human studies are very limited.

 

[chazk]

Why not run an experiment?

Let's take 10 Subjects(people)...

Group 1

Get your blood levels checked PRE-CYCLE. Run a Testosterone cycle, 500mgs weekly for 10 weeks. Get your blood levels checked again, BEFORE PCT.


Group 2

Get your blood levels checked PRE-CYCLE. Run a Testosterone cycle at 500mgs weekly for 10 weeks, but INCLUDE a Dopamine agonist such as Cabergoline throughout the cycle's duration. Get your blood levels checked again, BEFORE PCT.

I will GUARANTEE that GROUP 1 experiences a STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT GREATER SUPPRESSION OF THE HPTA than GROUP 2, who uses the Dopamine Agonist.

Everything WE KNOW is based on RATS buddy. Human studies are very limited.

lets do the study ross ?
lets also point out .. your study is flawed becuase you only want to test the subject during cycle and before pct ..
I want you to test the subjects after pct when all the steroids are out of the system 4 weeks after so not to give a false testosterone reading while the test is still lingering in the body from the injections.

this will show exactly what the human studies reveal lower prolactin cuases down regulation of HGH LH and androgen uptake long after the steroids have cleared the system

but reguardless your idea of a study actually sounds great
before ,during and after pct is the total protocal needed to see if levels are back at base line. not just after the last injection becuase ofcoarse they will be elevated from the test cyp in the body..You also need to test for Lh ,hgh out put in the subjects with subnormal prolactin levels becuase current data shows they will be surpressed as well.

so lets test them after the steroids are out of their system
thats the whole point you have not any studies or want to do a study to see if baseline levels return to normal you just want to do the testing before for the pct starts and only for testosterone.Well ofcoarse it will be high becuase you just injected testosterone. test the subjects 4 weeks before and 4 weeks after cycle is the only way to see if your idea works.

 

[Ross]

lets do the study ross ?
lets also point out .. your study is flawed becuase you only want to test the subject during cycle and before pct ..
I want you to test the subjects after pct when all the steroids are out of the system 4 weeks after so not to give a false testosterone reading while the test is still lingering in the body from the injections.

this will show exactly what the human studies reveal lower prolactin cuases down regulation of HGH LH and androgen uptake long after the steroids have cleared the system

but reguardless your idea of a study actually sounds great
before ,during and after pct is the total protocal needed to see if levels are back at base line. not just after the last injection becuase ofcoarse they will be elevated from the test cyp in the body..You also need to test for Lh ,hgh out put in the subjects with subnormal prolactin levels becuase current data shows they will be surpressed as well.

so lets test them after the steroids are out of their system
thats the whole point you have not any studies or want to do a study to see f baseline levels return to normal you just want to do the testing before for the pct starts and only for testosterone.Well ofcoarse it will be high becuase you just injected testosterone. test the subjects 4 weeks before and 4 weeks after cycle is the only way to see if your idea works.

The subjects would use NO PCT, and be tested 6 WEEKS AFTER their final Testosterone injection. All steroids at this point have cleared the system.

My HYPOTHESIS is that Group 2 will have MUCH greater testosterone levels, having eperienced MUCH LESS HPTA SUPPRESSION WHILE ON CYCLE.

 

[chazk]

The subjects would use NO PCT, and be tested 6 WEEKS AFTER their final Testosterone injection. All steroids at this point have cleared the system.

My HYPOTHESIS is that Group 2 will have MUCH greater testosterone levels, having eperienced MUCH LESS HPTA SUPPRESSION WHILE ON CYCLE.

only problem is nether one of us have done the study and cant make any claims..

for me to make claims is just that guesses...

only way to truly know is to peform testing pre cycle then post cycle 6 weeks .
in the test only group and the test/dostinex group
to see for out selves.

No one knows for sure what the outcome will be in the compared studies in human test subjects.
Becuase the test has not been performed.
But hypothesis is just that what you think will happen. Not the end results.

So we are forced to use what human studies we have available at this time untill new studies are published.

so we can leave it at that ross nether one of us knows the outcome. I suspect after 6 weeks both groups will have 80-90% recovery rate reguarless of the dostenex or not.
But thats just my hypothesis no one knows for sure..

But then again to make the claim that you already know that it will work and the hpta will not be shut down as hard is still just a theory ross you know it and i know it.

 

[Ross]

only problem is nether one of us have done the study and cant make any claims..

for me to make claims is just that guesses...

only way to truly know is to peform testing pre cycle then post cycle 6 weeks .
in the test only group and the test/dostinex group
to see for out selves.

No one knows for sure what the outcome will be in the compared studies in human test subjects.
Becuase the test has not been performed.
But hypothesis is just that what you think will happen. Not the end results.

So we are forced to use what human studies we have available at this time untill new studies are published.

so we can leave it at that ross nether one of us knows the outcome. I suspect after 6 weeks both groups will have 80-90% recovery rate reguarless of the dostenex or not.
But thats just my hypothesis no one knows for sure..

But then again to make the claim that you already know that it will work and the hpta will not be shut down as hard is still just a theory ross you know it and i know it.

The SCIENCE supports my EXPERIENCE.

I DO KNOW that it desensitizes the HPTA, which enables me to stay on for longer periods of time as well. Many of my friends and colleagues have confirmed this with their experiences also.

In 10 years, everyone will THANK ROSS for discovering HOW TO MINIMIZE HPTA SUPPRESSION.