I just wanted to know why there are those who use gear and blow up and love it and those who can't stand to have a little water under thier skin? I prefer being one big mofo! Just my preference but if you want to get as big as the pro's you can't expect to grow if your always cutting after you bulk. Unless of course your competing. How many fat bastards have you seen with small calves? Very few becuase the human body has an incredible ability to adapt. I'm not talking about the beer bellied people either. Ever football coach i've seen in my day had calves 18"+. Just an opinion.