plornive said:
I'm not sure why you are taking issue with this, but here's why I called them rampages: It somehow seems like you just quickly blurted the initial comparison to murder in order to "win" the argument. However, the point you quoted above your statement was not about whether we should seek justice for cheating. I was basically saying that cheating is an unchangeable part of society and also sometimes necessary, regardless of whether we take action against it.
Sorry , in that case the word "rampage" is ill chosen , there is no winning here , I seek merely to help you see that you might be causing damage to at least one other person and to re-evaluate your actions in the light of that knowledge. I do not see how cheating is "unchangeable" , it is as "unchangeable" as other facets of human behaviour , murder and incest being other facets. But the fact that it exists odes not mean that it should be accepted. Also you frequently mention that it is "neccessary" , neccessary for what and to whom I wonder ? I can think of no single instance where cheating is "neccessary". But perhaps you can postulate many , I'd be glad to hear of them.
plornive said:
You are right. We assign causation discretely for practicality, but in reality we affect each other in many direct and indirect ways. You will have to go further with this, however.
I would say that u are not attributing causation for practicality , but rather to avoid the moral issue that you are damaging someone else. As I mentioned earlier , u are neccessarily bringing suffering upon at least another person , regardless as to whether the person is aware of the source of that suffering.
plornive said:
In some situations, cheating is the only way a relationship will continue. Do you agree that this is true for a shaky relationship?
No I don't , of course it may appeal to a selfish and ultimately destructive individual to have more than one person at their behest , it is without doubt exciting , people are selfish , that is the nature of the animal , however when that selfishness spills over into interfering in another individual's happiness then we have issues. To put it in an objective fashion , is the utility caused by you and her greater satisfaction equal or greater to the pain and damage caused by the above. TRust me when I tell you from the very deepest recesses of my being as a person (I have been on both sides) as well as from social observations - and there are numerous examples on this board that this is not the case. U are sending another poor bastard to hell , someone who has done you no harm at all.
plornive said:
Values serve their purpose even while their supporters stray. They are, in part, fabricated by confidence and (dare I say) faith. Strong belief in marriage serves it's purpose even when people cheat.[/B]
This is entirely confusing when you do not offer at least anecdotal evidence , their purpose is to stop individuals straying , therefore de facto failure is reached when they stray! Fabricated by confidence ? How ? By faith , I presume you mean religious faith , but even there so called undeveloped societies and religions practice polygamy , BUT ALL THE WHILE IN AN OPEN AND HONEST FASHION i.e. without betrayal.
plornive said:
If it is your choice to believe these values are absolutely correct, more power to you. [/B]
I do not believe in choice as a matter of fact (or at least not in the sense that you imply) , I believe in consistentcy and apply that to every facet of my life. Initially consistentcy began as a choice but once that was made , all other things became apparent from logic.
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