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who DISLIKES anavar?

i am a newbie and using 40mg papervar as my first cycle. this stuff rocks. what COULD be bad about it?
 
yea, var is pretty good shit imo.

the only negative thing i can say is that which genarr said. its so expensive. my denkall 5 mg var tabs run out in a lil over 2 weeks @ 40mg ed. ive already went through one bottle and im almost done with #2. i will have to buy 1 more bottle so i can finish up my 6 weeks. for what ive spent on var, i could have had almost 3 bottles of dbol.
 
glennds said:
i am a newbie and using 40mg papervar as my first cycle. this stuff rocks. what COULD be bad about it?

HOw long have you been using it? What are your results so far?

I plan on getting some PaperVar and I was thinking of running 40mg/day for 6 weeks by itself. So I am looking for feedback on strength gains, weightloss, muscle, etc.
 
dont expect it to help out extensive endurance. I believe a guy named monkey balls said it slowed him way down (bike recer) where as winny sent him to the front with ease...
 
I just got my first shipment of anavar, and yes it is expensive, but compared to growth (which I am on constanly) it's a bargin.
 
Im a boxer, and been on 30mg/day for about 50 something days now, and I dont feel it hindering my endurance at all, other than sometimes you get a little extra "pump" in your legs that could possibly be worse at higher dosages.
 
Unless you use a higher dosage(60+mg/day) you need to be patient with oxandrolone.

The best part is that it has no sides to speak off, and the results are very much keepable.

Fonz
 
I don't think you'll find anyone who dislikes it.

In terms of sides vs gains, there is no doubt in my mind its the best drug out there. However, in terms of gains vs price -- well...... if you have the money then go for it, if not, something like eq may be a better alternative.
 
I have no complaints about var.. however I have experienced one of the VERY mild sides. For some reason it gave me diarrhea after about 3 weeks of 50mg's/day use. Not like I really gave a damn anyway because like I said.. that's the ONLY negative thing that I experienced. Anyone else bump into this?
 
my main concern is mental sides, test/eq/winny/fina fuck me up am i weak minded? not sure! as im as sharp as a diamond cut crystal now hat ive been off for a few months.. anavar/hgh is my last hope as far as gear goes. id rather feel like a million bucks off cycle rather than having that rock hard body and being on cycle and having my attitude and personality get lost almost to the point where i couldnt find myself for a minute
 
That's like asking; Who DISLIKES pizza?

Having said that, I do think var is a little overrated, but that goes back to the price issue. If I could get legit 10 mg var from the local pharmacy with a script at a buck a pill, I'd be popping them like Pez.

Still have to use liver protectants though.
 
Nelson Montana said:
That's like asking; Who DISLIKES pizza?

Having said that, I do think var is a little overrated, but that goes back to the price issue. If I could get legit 10 mg var from the local pharmacy with a script at a buck a pill, I'd be popping them like Pez.

Still have to use liver protectants though.

So true. mmmm pezvar.:D
 
Over Priced and over rated.

Be a lemming and spend your $$$...but I prefer EQ.

I guess everybody just wants to believe there is some majic bullet that will get them all cut up....dream on
 
gunner44 said:
Over Priced and over rated.

Be a lemming and spend your $$$...but I prefer EQ.

I guess everybody just wants to believe there is some majic bullet that will get them all cut up....dream on

back up your claim bro!!?


did you use it?

you where disapointed in its abilty to dramaticly improve protien sinthesis?

you barley ate any healthy food that contained the apropiate macronutrients for muscle growth hence anavars highly anabolic properties if nutrition is in place?

you bought a bunk batch?

what is it?
 
Actually I don't like anavar. Well, let me rephrase I don't love it. I did papervar a few times and loeffler a few times, both of which test pure. Doses ranged depending on cycle from 20-50 day. Actually 20 as a bridge or cycle taper is great. Because coming off anavar is easy. But as a cycle itself, or say thrown in with test and/or deca, I don't like. Some nausea, low appetite, and only modest gains. I HATE winny however. But dbol like 20/day is a great euphoric addition to a cycle (I have even cut on it! I think it's all about diet.) I gain alot and can keep like 50-60% afterwards. Anavar I gain less but keep a larger percentage. Overall, I personally feel more euphoric and happy, with no physical problems or sides, while on dbol, and make better gains for me. Anavar is very pricey, by comparison, and not very strong. It doesn't do anything bad enough for me to "hate" it, but I don't think it's "all that" like some do. Even my wife dropped anavar, due to fatigue and nausea with malaise. And she feels happier and less androgenization on very low dose deca. There is no wonder drug, certainly not anavar. Bodybuilding is about listening to your body and watching it's response to things. My 2c
 
26 posts and NO ONE mentions wrecked lipid profiles and potential liver problems from var???? AMAZING!!!!

Var IS inarguably a kick-ass AS but it (like most everything in life) has it's drawbacks.....for those of you who DO NOT consider it's pricey attribute a "negative", you STILL need to assess the potential risks associated with it being a 17-aa AS as well as the cholesterol changes you almost undoubtably WILL incur!
 
drveejay11 said:
26 posts and NO ONE mentions wrecked lipid profiles and potential liver problems from var???? AMAZING!!!!

Var IS inarguably a kick-ass AS but it (like most everything in life) has it's drawbacks.....for those of you who DO NOT consider it's pricey attribute a "negative", you STILL need to assess the potential risks associated with it being a 17-aa AS as well as the cholesterol changes you almost undoubtably WILL incur!
Now you know someone is going to bust out that study with the recovering alcoholics and how thier liver values improved while on it.
 
I plan on trying PaperVar sometime soon, but for the price I could buy a whole lot of other gear. I'm not sure if the benefit/cost is really there. I really won't know till I try it.
 
genarr3 said:

Now you know someone is going to bust out that study with the recovering alcoholics and how thier liver values improved while on it.

:rolleyes: No f'in doubt!

Keep us posted on the Paper-var run! I hear ya on the benefit/cost thing...but you'll have fun with it.....definitely! It's one of those "have to try it once things" just to see what all the hype is. Var is good shit! :)
 
drveejay11 said:
26 posts and NO ONE mentions wrecked lipid profiles and potential liver problems from var???? AMAZING!!!!

Var IS inarguably a kick-ass AS but it (like most everything in life) has it's drawbacks.....for those of you who DO NOT consider it's pricey attribute a "negative", you STILL need to assess the potential risks associated with it being a 17-aa AS as well as the cholesterol changes you almost undoubtably WILL incur!

I was on 100mg Anavar/day.

20mg Novaldex corrected the lipid values and 1000mg R-ALA took care of any elevation of AST, ALT, GGT.

I have yet to see anybody develop elevated liver values from any dosage of oxandrolone.

Lipids is another story, which however can easily be corrected with novaldex.

Oxandrolone has almost no impact on my cholesterol levels. The effect is minimal.

Its by far the safest AAS IMO. Even safer than Primobolan.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:
I was on 100mg Anavar/day.

20mg Novaldex corrected the lipid values and 1000mg R-ALA took care of any elevation of AST, ALT, GGT.

You are NOT comparing apples to apples bro. Correcting Lipid profiles and liver assays by supplementing with the above does NOT mean that your values would NOT have been effected w/o the Supps. In essence, you simply took a preventative approach to correcting the inevitable.......raised liver enzymes and a poor lipid profile!!!

Fonz said:
You just described the entire point of supplementation.

Supplements are used to maximize the efficiency of your bio-chemical functions. No biological process is 100% efficient, therefore any biological process CAN be maximized through the right supplementation.

If you were talking about stanozolol, then I would agree with your statements as it plays havoc with your chol/lipid levels and nothing that I have ever seen can correct it. But with oxandrolone? No. I would have to disagree there.

Fonz
 
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Fonz said:


I was on 100mg Anavar/day.

20mg Novaldex corrected the lipid values and 1000mg R-ALA took care of any elevation of AST, ALT, GGT.

I have yet to see anybody develop elevated liver values from any dosage of oxandrolone.

Lipids is another story, which however can easily be corrected with novaldex.

Oxandrolone has almost no impact on my cholesterol levels. The effect is minimal.

Its by far the safest AAS IMO. Even safer than Primobolan.

Fonz


Actually, after my var cycle (40-60mg/day for 8 weeks) my liver values were elevated. My doc told me my liver was inflamed and wanted to know what I was taking. Then again, the var powder i got was from china so who knows.
 
Fonz said:


I was on 100mg Anavar/day.

20mg Novaldex corrected the lipid values and 1000mg R-ALA took care of any elevation of AST, ALT, GGT.

I have yet to see anybody develop elevated liver values from any dosage of oxandrolone.

Lipids is another story, which however can easily be corrected with novaldex.

Oxandrolone has almost no impact on my cholesterol levels. The effect is minimal.

Its by far the safest AAS IMO. Even safer than Primobolan.

Fonz

I have considering using high dose anavar during my next cutting cycle. What were your results like on 100mg/day? Don't ask me how, but I will have enough btg anavar to take 100mg/day for 8 weeks. In the past I just used 50mg/day.
 
cbeaks said:


I have considering using high dose anavar during my next cutting cycle. What were your results like on 100mg/day? Don't ask me how, but I will have enough btg anavar to take 100mg/day for 8 weeks. In the past I just used 50mg/day.

It was the best cycle i have ever done.

SPA Papervar at 100mg/day + test(125mg/week) for 6 weeks.

I got down to 5.3% at 177lbs, and my strength, endurance and speed was just downright scary.

If you take the right supplementation you can circumvent all the problems Drivejaay mentioned and the results(if your diet is good) are just downright phenomenal.

If you have BTG(2.5MG'S), you will only have to take about 70mgs/day. Its made from a superior powder(USP 25)...SPA is made from USP 24.

And yes, I have tried primo, back when it was manufactured in Spain, and quite frankly it didn't really impress me.

Fonz
 
drveejay11 said:


You are NOT comparing apples to apples bro. Correcting Lipid profiles and liver assays by supplementing with the above does NOT mean that your values would NOT have been effected w/o the Supps. In essence, you simply took a preventative approach to correcting the inevitable.......raised liver enzymes and a poor lipid profile!!!

Fonz said:
You just described the entire point of supplementation.

Supplements are used to maximize the efficiency of your bio-chemical functions. No biological process is 100% efficient, therefore any biological process CAN be maximized through the right supplementation.

If you were talking about stanozolol, then I would agree with your statements as it plays havoc with your chol/lipid levels and nothing that I have ever seen can correct it. But with oxandrolone? No. I would have to disagree there.

Fonz

Oh shit......lol

Sorry about that...i edited your post instead of hiting the quote button.

My bad. :)

Fonz
 
drveejay11 said:
How bad were they bro......do you remember the numbers? And......how many mg's/day were you taking?

Can't remember off hand. All liver values were elevated, not horribly though but enough to warn me to stop whatever I was doing (he didn't know that i was on). Doseages were: weeks 1-5 (40mg/day) Weeks 6-8 (60mg/day). Was not taking any liver protectants either.
 
Fonz said:


It was the best cycle i have ever done.

SPA Papervar at 100mg/day + test(125mg/week) for 6 weeks.

I got down to 5.3% at 177lbs, and my strength, endurance and speed was just downright scary.

If you take the right supplementation you can circumvent all the problems Drivejaay mentioned and the results(if your diet is good) are just downright phenomenal.

If you have BTG(2.5MG'S), you will only have to take about 70mgs/day. Its made from a superior powder(USP 25)...SPA is made from USP 24.

And yes, I have tried primo, back when it was manufactured in Spain, and quite frankly it didn't really impress me.

Fonz

thanks Fonz, I can't wait to give it a try
 
Fonz said:

I was on 100mg Anavar/day.

20mg Novaldex corrected the lipid values .
Fonz

hi fonz;
how did you use the nolvadex (when started, how long did you take it b4 your lipid panal normalized, etc)
 
Fonz, how would u compare the nolva for lipids to a mix of "herbals" such as policosanols/tocotrienols/garlic??? Nolva still superior?
 
Fonz said:



And yes, I have tried primo, back when it was manufactured in Spain, and quite frankly it didn't really impress me.

Fonz

What didn't impress about the primo Fonz? Dosage? What else were you taking?

I had decent results with primo & deca at just 300mgs. Just curious.
 
Anavar is one of the top three IMO. I can do an anavar fina cycle and gain a solid 12 pounds and keep every ounce of it. Some guys say the gains are minimal but you are keeping 12 pounds, not keeping 5 pounds of water. It is expensive but with no sides and keeping the weight its well worth it. I did 100mgED for three weeks on my last run and went on PCT, recovered in the quickest time I have yet.
 
I dislike the cost; love everything else.
 
var's my fav:mix: ; maybe one day prices will go down but doubt it will ever get too cheap:(
 
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