glennds said:i am a newbie and using 40mg papervar as my first cycle. this stuff rocks. what COULD be bad about it?
Nelson Montana said:That's like asking; Who DISLIKES pizza?
Having said that, I do think var is a little overrated, but that goes back to the price issue. If I could get legit 10 mg var from the local pharmacy with a script at a buck a pill, I'd be popping them like Pez.
Still have to use liver protectants though.
gunner44 said:Over Priced and over rated.
Be a lemming and spend your $$$...but I prefer EQ.
I guess everybody just wants to believe there is some majic bullet that will get them all cut up....dream on
Now you know someone is going to bust out that study with the recovering alcoholics and how thier liver values improved while on it.drveejay11 said:26 posts and NO ONE mentions wrecked lipid profiles and potential liver problems from var???? AMAZING!!!!
Var IS inarguably a kick-ass AS but it (like most everything in life) has it's drawbacks.....for those of you who DO NOT consider it's pricey attribute a "negative", you STILL need to assess the potential risks associated with it being a 17-aa AS as well as the cholesterol changes you almost undoubtably WILL incur!
genarr3 said:
Now you know someone is going to bust out that study with the recovering alcoholics and how thier liver values improved while on it.
drveejay11 said:26 posts and NO ONE mentions wrecked lipid profiles and potential liver problems from var???? AMAZING!!!!
Var IS inarguably a kick-ass AS but it (like most everything in life) has it's drawbacks.....for those of you who DO NOT consider it's pricey attribute a "negative", you STILL need to assess the potential risks associated with it being a 17-aa AS as well as the cholesterol changes you almost undoubtably WILL incur!
Fonz said:I was on 100mg Anavar/day.
20mg Novaldex corrected the lipid values and 1000mg R-ALA took care of any elevation of AST, ALT, GGT.
Fonz said:You just described the entire point of supplementation.
Supplements are used to maximize the efficiency of your bio-chemical functions. No biological process is 100% efficient, therefore any biological process CAN be maximized through the right supplementation.
If you were talking about stanozolol, then I would agree with your statements as it plays havoc with your chol/lipid levels and nothing that I have ever seen can correct it. But with oxandrolone? No. I would have to disagree there.
Fonz
Fonz said:
I was on 100mg Anavar/day.
20mg Novaldex corrected the lipid values and 1000mg R-ALA took care of any elevation of AST, ALT, GGT.
I have yet to see anybody develop elevated liver values from any dosage of oxandrolone.
Lipids is another story, which however can easily be corrected with novaldex.
Oxandrolone has almost no impact on my cholesterol levels. The effect is minimal.
Its by far the safest AAS IMO. Even safer than Primobolan.
Fonz
Fonz said:
I was on 100mg Anavar/day.
20mg Novaldex corrected the lipid values and 1000mg R-ALA took care of any elevation of AST, ALT, GGT.
I have yet to see anybody develop elevated liver values from any dosage of oxandrolone.
Lipids is another story, which however can easily be corrected with novaldex.
Oxandrolone has almost no impact on my cholesterol levels. The effect is minimal.
Its by far the safest AAS IMO. Even safer than Primobolan.
Fonz
cbeaks said:
I have considering using high dose anavar during my next cutting cycle. What were your results like on 100mg/day? Don't ask me how, but I will have enough btg anavar to take 100mg/day for 8 weeks. In the past I just used 50mg/day.
drveejay11 said:
You are NOT comparing apples to apples bro. Correcting Lipid profiles and liver assays by supplementing with the above does NOT mean that your values would NOT have been effected w/o the Supps. In essence, you simply took a preventative approach to correcting the inevitable.......raised liver enzymes and a poor lipid profile!!!
Fonz said:You just described the entire point of supplementation.
Supplements are used to maximize the efficiency of your bio-chemical functions. No biological process is 100% efficient, therefore any biological process CAN be maximized through the right supplementation.
If you were talking about stanozolol, then I would agree with your statements as it plays havoc with your chol/lipid levels and nothing that I have ever seen can correct it. But with oxandrolone? No. I would have to disagree there.
Fonz
Oh shit......lol
Sorry about that...i edited your post instead of hiting the quote button.
My bad.
Fonz
drveejay11 said:How bad were they bro......do you remember the numbers? And......how many mg's/day were you taking?
Fonz said:
It was the best cycle i have ever done.
SPA Papervar at 100mg/day + test(125mg/week) for 6 weeks.
I got down to 5.3% at 177lbs, and my strength, endurance and speed was just downright scary.
If you take the right supplementation you can circumvent all the problems Drivejaay mentioned and the results(if your diet is good) are just downright phenomenal.
If you have BTG(2.5MG'S), you will only have to take about 70mgs/day. Its made from a superior powder(USP 25)...SPA is made from USP 24.
And yes, I have tried primo, back when it was manufactured in Spain, and quite frankly it didn't really impress me.
Fonz
Fonz said:
I was on 100mg Anavar/day.
20mg Novaldex corrected the lipid values .
Fonz
Fonz said:
And yes, I have tried primo, back when it was manufactured in Spain, and quite frankly it didn't really impress me.
Fonz
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