while in ketosis does cardio only burn fat since its protien sparing?

[Mr.X]

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[Mr.X]

Ok, I'm starting to understand. However, could I keep my T4-T3 conversion rate up and going by taking something like "T2-Pro" by Biotest, or, is this simply not good enough. Secondly, I've been in ketosis now for 1 week and 3 days (I had planned on being in it for 7 more weeks...but you guys are starting to make me think twice). Should I try CKD again...and just do a shorter carb-up (i.e. 8-12 hours). Like I've said before...I ALWAYS mess up on carb-ups...for one reason or another. So, if I was going to go with the shortened carb-up approach...I would need everything laid out for me (exact mealtimes, and, what to eat at each meal). OR, should I go for the TKD approach. I don't really understand the TKD one too much. When do you ingest your preworkout carbs and how many grams of carbs would that be. Also, do I take in post-workout carbs on a TKD? ARGH...I just want to get ripped....DAMN!

Thanks for the help.....

Seems to me that you are a little confused my friend. So, here's what you can try: go on a CKD but keep the carb-up very short: 4 meals=8 hours...all meals should be high on the GI scale

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[MrMakaveli]

Losing muscle while lifting in ketosis?

Wait, you lose muscle while lifting in ketosis?....if that were true then how do you suppose that the multiple medical studies showing resistance training while on a vlcd (which induces ketosis) greatly helped in preventing muscle loss?

I could see possibly if someone was doing extremely high volume training while in ketosis, but keeping workouts intense and short , this really shouldnt be a problem should it?.

 

[plornive]

Re: Losing muscle while lifting in ketosis?

Wait, you lose muscle while lifting in ketosis?....if that were true then how do you suppose that the multiple medical studies showing resistance training while on a vlcd (which induces ketosis) greatly helped in preventing muscle loss?

I could see possibly if someone was doing extremely high volume training while in ketosis, but keeping workouts intense and short , this really shouldnt be a problem should it?.

Lifting *always* causes some catabolism during the act. If you lift on a high carb diet, your body does not have to catabolize as much muscle due to sufficient liver glycogen levels. In ketosis, the only way your body can get glucose is through catabolism and gluconeogenesis (through the secretion of cortisol and glucagon). This means that lifting while in ketosis causes more catabolism than lifting on a high carb diet.

Anabolism follows when you ingest nutrients. This is generally true no whether you are in ketosis or not.

 

[MASSIVEmorris]

Specifics

Seems to me that you are a little confused my friend. So, here's what you can try: go on a CKD but keep the carb-up very short: 4 meals=8 hours...all meals should be high on the GI scale

Sorry to be such a pain in the ass, but...could you tell me what exactly to eat at each meal. Also, how many grams of carbs-protein-fat should I shoot for in this 8 hour period? I'm 213lbs...if that helps any? If you don't want to give me specifics...that's fine...it's just that I'd like something to print out and follow to the "T". AGAIN, thanks A LOT FOR THE HELP (can't emphasize that enough).

 

[nclifter6feet6]

i cant speak for everyone but in my case, i lifted quite often in ketosis hitting a muscle 3 times per week but using very low reps around 3 and it worked great for me holding onto muscle. i think higher reps would burn you out and leave you overtrained, dont think you use as much glycogen training at low reps because each set is short

 

[plornive]

i cant speak for everyone but in my case, i lifted quite often in ketosis hitting a muscle 3 times per week but using very low reps around 3 and it worked great for me holding onto muscle. i think higher reps would burn you out and leave you overtrained, dont think you use as much glycogen training at low reps because each set is short

This makes sense. Less volume requires less glycogen, so lifting might be ok for someone in ketosis. Have you tried pre-workout carbs? Replacing some fat with maybe 25g maltodextrin?

 

[Mr.X]

Re: Specifics

Sorry to be such a pain in the ass, but...could you tell me what exactly to eat at each meal. Also, how many grams of carbs-protein-fat should I shoot for in this 8 hour period? I'm 213lbs...if that helps any? If you don't want to give me specifics...that's fine...it's just that I'd like something to print out and follow to the "T". AGAIN, thanks A LOT FOR THE HELP (can't emphasize that enough).

1-2: 150 g liquid glucose polymers...like carb powders (ex..carbo max, dextrose..etc.) w/ 1 scoop protein

3-4: 75 g of liquid and solid glucose polymers...sugar cereals (frosted flakes,honey-nut-cheerios..etc) w/ fat-free milk w/ 1/4 cup walnuts

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[nclifter6feet6]

good idea plorn....i dont use maltodextrin but i do have a big serving of cabbage everytime before i lift. that is my only source of carbs is steamed cabbage before i lift

 

[nclifter6feet6]

i wouldnt have much fat to replace anyways because i only get about 30 grams of fat (from my catfish and flax) 0-10 carbs from cabbage and 210-220 grams of protien works wonders. i noticed a big difference when i added the catfish my skin looked better and more sex drive, i was very suprised my sexdrive didnt go down at all with low fat and low carbs i guess its because im getting the healthy fats and those fats are the only fats your body really needs in my opinon