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when they killed Zarqawi

CEASAR said:
Hey guy's for a second put the fucking politics down, put down your facts and stats, and all that other shit you've heard on the news or in the books. Think P-E-O-P-L-E. People. Would you want another country in your country? Seriously, dont look at what THEY need. Fuck their problems. As an american, right now, would you want another country to just waltz and say, "hello, see my nice gun? Yeah, I run things around here"?

The majority of the people in Iraq are glad we are there, want us there, and are thankful we came. It just so happens that the majority are not the ones with the weapons. The U.S. never said nor implied that "we run things", the peoples freedom was snatched from the hands of a dictatorship and handed directly back to the people. It's not like we are talking about a peaceful Hobbit village, these people have probably almost never had a single generation that lived without the threat of death and destruction as part of daily life because of what they want to believe. It is futile at best for you to even think that the situation in Iraq can be assessed by comparing apples to oranges as your "think people" statement would suggest.

Everything that I have mentioned here comes from experiencing these "people" first hand. I'm not regurgitating something I read or heard because I am too weak minded and lazy to gather information and facts so I don't have to form my own opinion.
 
bluepeter said:
Indeed they are. I throw up in my mouth every time I read someone saying this is all about 'saving the Iraqis'. Oh, look at the chivalrous Americans rushing to their rescue. What a crock.


Yes Blue. Not like we spent countless billions building and upgrading their infrastructure.

Not as if we built schools, electric facilities, water and sewer treatement plants, hospitals etc etc all throughout the country

Don't let the facts interfere with your knee jerk, I hate that canada is smaller than you, anti US rants.
 
Razorguns said:
people just making shit up. After the bombs, the first forces on the scene were iraqi.

us forces heard last second of his sighting, and re-directed af planes to bomb it before he moved again.

More importantly - will this FINALLY spell peace between Sunnis and the Shi'ites? If not, sunni insurgents will continue the insurgency.

and clearly you are the expert because you were there :rolleyes:
 
Phenom78 said:
Yes Blue. Not like we spent countless billions building and upgrading their infrastructure.

Not as if we built schools, electric facilities, water and sewer treatement plants, hospitals etc etc all throughout the country

Don't let the facts interfere with your knee jerk, I hate that canada is smaller than you, anti US rants.

Do you understand the art of power and manipulation? Do you know what a smart person would do how wanted power? They'd pay there dues along the way, so they wouldn't appear too greedy. Too not appear as LARGE theif.To stay low key, you gotta give along the way. You ever pay attention to how a crook runs his operation? What put Al capone away in prison? Tax evasion. TAKE TAKE TAKE, and he got sent away. Do you understand what I'm saying?
 
Phenom78 said:
Yes Blue. Not like we spent countless billions building and upgrading their infrastructure.

Not as if we built schools, electric facilities, water and sewer treatement plants, hospitals etc etc all throughout the country

Don't let the facts interfere with your knee jerk, I hate that canada is smaller than you, anti US rants.

You really are a Knight riding to the rescue on your white horse. Forgive me for forgetting the obvious. Good show bringing emotion into the debate again with the asinine references to Canada and anti-Americanism. If you really want to believe that the US invaded Iraq to save the children, good for you. By the way, did you get the memo that Santa Claus is real?
 
nuthinbutagoodtym said:
Just keep an eye on your border, OK hippie?

I wouldn't trade the freedom my brothers/forefathers have fought for.

You shit on the country to your South, but are blanketed by it';s protection because the U.S. WILL act when the time comes.

If generations of Americans had your "draft-dodging" attitude, neither of us would be here.

Come out from the "left" for a minute and "thank" the people who have lost their lives so you can post on EF in relative safety, under a blanket of protection that was GIVEN to you.

You're Welcome.

What a load of shit.
 
patsfan1379 said:
dude they rope you in every time.

No, I just believe in putting out an alternative point of view. So no matter how often the talking heads on here try and belittle and degrade those that disagree with them, we're not going to shutup.
 
CEASAR said:
Do you understand the art of power and manipulation? Do you know what a smart person would do how wanted power? They'd pay there dues along the way, so they wouldn't appear too greedy. Too not appear as LARGE theif.To stay low key, you gotta give along the way. You ever pay attention to how a crook runs his operation? What put Al capone away in prison? Tax evasion. TAKE TAKE TAKE, and he got sent away. Do you understand what I'm saying?


I don't think you understand what you're saying.

I imagine what you are trying to say, however poorly, is that we are acting in our self interest by investing in the Iraqi people by buying local support with our deeds. Making it easier to do whatever else we our doing in the country.

Did I get that right?

What you fail to recognize is what our actual objectives in the region are broly. Use your head. Saddam offered 50 billion + in sweetheart oil deals to the french and others for the sole purpose of their committing to keep the US off his ass in the UN. Do you imagine for a second that no one in the US government was bright enough to think up a scenario where instead of giving the oil to the French, he would have gladly paid as much if not more to give it to us instead? It isn't rocket science. if all we wanted was the Iraqi oil we could have had it handed to us without ever firing a shot. Not only had it, but had them hand it over to whomever the administration chose.

That isn't some paranoid conspiracy theory (as you present) but actual documented calculations put into policy by the Russians, French, and Germans among others. It represents a status quo view of world politics which places short term economic benefit ahead of both long term implications and the real human suffering others will go through to make it a reality.

You need to learn to comprehend (for the benefit of wootool) that perceived self interest and doing the right thing are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Our self interst in Iraq was manifold. It allows us the nearer term ability to exit Kuwait and Saudi Arabia when our forcesd are no longer required as a bufffer to Iraq. It places a democratic regime in the heart of the muslim world as a thorn in the side of the regions despots. It removes a fundamental barrier that stood in the way of any diplomatic solution to an Israeli/Palestinian peace. It removes a major state sponsor of terrorism from the world stage. It provides an alternative to this end times isalmo fascist philosophy which permeates the region.

And not least importantly it is a warning to all the state sponsors of terrorism that we will no longer simply chase your proxies, but will come after you directly, if you deem to use terrorism as a form of polciy by proxy against the US and our interests.

Yet none of that negates that it was also the right thing to do. The saddest part of the latest political paradigm is that the liberals in the world have effectively become the main proponents of maintaining tyrrany. they parrot all the same "don't rock the boat" arguments they once despised.
 
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