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safety4lyfe
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I disagree...right when i get home from the gym a make a mean shake filled protien and carbs which is essential right after a crush sesh. I throw in my BCAA complex as well. If your workouts are high intensity, and a little cardio on your days off i wouldnt be worried about fat.
NYBodyguard
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fire your "trainer"
Aminos work best on an empty stomach. Take aminos before and after workout, and/or berfore meals.
But don't use ithem in place of protein shakes. Your body is screaming for protein PWO.
Be sure to get at least 50 mg protein within 20 minutes after you work out.
But don't use ithem in place of protein shakes. Your body is screaming for protein PWO.
Be sure to get at least 50 mg protein within 20 minutes after you work out.
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halfcenturian said:
See this is what everyone has wrong, your body starts screaming for protein after your first rep, not after you final rep of that days training, so its EXTREMLY important to consume a serious protein meal and serious carbs prior to training if you want to see better quality results quicker.
And seriously quality muscle comes from real food not from shakes, if shakes would work youd see big guys all over the place since tons of people are very strict with their daily shake intake, but its real food real fish chicken steak etc real carbs like oatmeal baked patato rich etc that will take on mass not drinks.
NYBodyguard said:
shakes have their place and are important imo.
the body doesnt know it is in a gym nor does it know whether u r consuming a chicken breast, a steak, oatmeal, or a shake. all it knows it has some serious taxing stress being put on it and it wants to recover and adapt and that it has available nutrients.
i agree that the lions share of food intake should be real food but at times we may need more fast acting protein and/or carb sources.
NYBodyguard
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100% wrong 50g protein of chicken breast and 50g of some shake do not even remotly come close, yeah common sense tells you the body dont know but the results of those who rely on shakes and those who eat real foods speak for themselves, I cut out ALL my protein shakes and so did my training partner and I regret not doing it earlier, real food people forget the shakes8and20 said:
NYBodyguard said:
I am the opposite I get better results with shakes. I dont count them as meal replacements. Most of my food comes from real sources. Chicken certainly doesn't get digested as quickly as whey and I feel I need that for pre & post.
I dont know every bodybuilders diet but the ones I know of have serious mass and use shakes. Perhaps they would see even better results if they wouldn't, who knows. I would be curious to see some research on the subject if you know of any.
I guess we will just have to disagree for the time being. I am not claiming that what I or others do is the absolute correct way nor totally discounting the possibility of your suggestion.
NYBodyguard said:
I work out real early. So I do my gear, take some creatine, and aminos which get me through my workout. Remember aminos are, in effect, protein.
Then PWO shake. THEN eggs or oatmeal an hour later. Real food. If I eat before I lift I'll blow chunks. So my routine IS NOT WRONG. Plus I get some cardio benefit by not having food in my stomach.
NYBodyguard said:
Shakes ARE food. It's just another protein source. And depending on the quality it may be inferior to a chicken breast (as is the case with whey concentrate or soy) as good ( as is the case with isolate) or better (as is the case with serum plasma). Bottom line-- you need protein and ya gotta eat.
njmuscleguy
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Shakes have their place in a bodybuilder's diet, particularly immediately upon waking up (30 minutes before breakfast) and post-workout (dinner to follow within 45 minutes of that)... fast-digesting whey is perfect to flood the body with protein while it's in catabolic state. Otherwise, the rest of the diet should be whole foods. Just my 2 cents
todoveritas
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IMHO both NYC and 8 are right. NYC is correct in that hi-quality food is best; however PWO the body is depleted and if the amino acids, particularly glutamine, are not immediately available, the body will start breaking down its muscle tissue to replenish its supply.
This biological process is halted faster using whey protein shakes bc the process of hydrolization is omitted. Hydrolization of regular food involves the breakdown of the protein down into separated amino acids and peptides.
NYC is on the money about real food. Shakes dont even come close for mass-building (though they are far superior than eating nothing) I think we all can agree on that.
This biological process is halted faster using whey protein shakes bc the process of hydrolization is omitted. Hydrolization of regular food involves the breakdown of the protein down into separated amino acids and peptides.
NYC is on the money about real food. Shakes dont even come close for mass-building (though they are far superior than eating nothing) I think we all can agree on that.
silverskyline
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Halfcent is right I'm a trainer as well, before and after are the best times!
High Protein and Carbs right after work out ASAP carbs will replace your energy levels so protein will not have to as they have the exact same kcal ratio. I try to keep my carbs at about 65grams and protein at 45 right after.
What the hell is your trainer certed with?!
High Protein and Carbs right after work out ASAP carbs will replace your energy levels so protein will not have to as they have the exact same kcal ratio. I try to keep my carbs at about 65grams and protein at 45 right after.
What the hell is your trainer certed with?!
silverskyline said:
GOD DAMN RIGHT, I'M RIGHT.... GOD DAMMIT !
silverskyline
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Nelson Montana said:
COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MY SELF, thats exactly it.
Isolate is perfect for an MRP, real food is prolly best but takes longer to digest and process through your pancreas.
silverskyline
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8and20 said:Oh god now we got him going now i going to have to reduce the swelling in his noggin
Hahaha holy shit you all made good points infact. It simply all depends on your routine and what you have time for. Aminos are protien and isolate is the best type of MRP.
Just fuckin drink shakes and eat meals all damn day long and you'll be fine.
stick with your semi non essential aminos/amoinos such as argine, glut, creat, taruine, etc and you'll stack pounds.
Catabolic state happes durring sleep, so you need food before and after, your depleted after the gym but also need energy for it so before and after, durring the day you need food so if you would eat as much as most people talk your on the right tack,
pnuff said.
NYBodyguard
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silverskyline said:
lol nobody worth a damn drinks shakes its something you do when you start out before you figure out what it really takes, trust me id love to dream shakes are good too its eaiser wish it worked then again if it would work everyone would be walking around with size and u see real size very rarely
silverskyline
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NYBodyguard said:
oh believe me I only have one a day and thats right after my lift only because of the quick delivery and it's just another drink to take my volumizer with.
I eat 6 or 7 times a day and only one MRP. I hear ya bro
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thebadguy54
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I use them in between meals.
NYBodyguard said:
Not sure what you're saying here. Sure, anybody who thinks shakes alone are going to grow muscles is mistaken. But I've interviewed dozens of pros, pas and present and have spoken with many more and every one of them said they used shakes to supplement their protein intake.
silverskyline
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8and20 said:YEAH. I do fit in
Hahaha we almost made 8and20 cry!
thats not cool! I'll have a shake with ya bro, but no funny business
8and20 said:Oh god now we got him going now i going to have to reduce the swelling in his noggin
10001110101
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yeah actually whey is the shit.
in fact you can get huge on a liquid diet
in fact you can put all yoru food in a blender and drink it if you want.
the only real difference (as far as muscle building is concerned) between whole food and processed food is how fast it hits your bloodstream and there's a mild thermogenic increase for digesting tough foods (high fiber whole foods) and this is the reason that you'll probably stay a little leaner eating whole high fiber foods.
but shakes are food too.
my two best muscle building foods are whey shakes and olive oil. this is of course as a complement to my normal food intake.
everybody makes all these blanket statements like "real food makes you big, shakes don't" "otherwise everybody who drinks whey protein would be huge"
either method is good, but i guarantee you you throw two whey shakes at your peak insulin sensitivity windows (breakfast, pwo) IN ADDITION to your diet you'll note better recovery and better muscle growth, the problem is when you train naturally changes in your diet take weeks to notice and its so hard to quantify.
anyways i am rambling.
i think monounsaturated fats are totally underrated as well, i stay leaner when i take 4 tbsp olive oil per day and i get better muscle growth.
another thing about whey is you need to get quality whey with enzymes otherwise you could be interfering with your normal digestion.
in fact you can get huge on a liquid diet
in fact you can put all yoru food in a blender and drink it if you want.
the only real difference (as far as muscle building is concerned) between whole food and processed food is how fast it hits your bloodstream and there's a mild thermogenic increase for digesting tough foods (high fiber whole foods) and this is the reason that you'll probably stay a little leaner eating whole high fiber foods.
but shakes are food too.
my two best muscle building foods are whey shakes and olive oil. this is of course as a complement to my normal food intake.
everybody makes all these blanket statements like "real food makes you big, shakes don't" "otherwise everybody who drinks whey protein would be huge"
either method is good, but i guarantee you you throw two whey shakes at your peak insulin sensitivity windows (breakfast, pwo) IN ADDITION to your diet you'll note better recovery and better muscle growth, the problem is when you train naturally changes in your diet take weeks to notice and its so hard to quantify.
anyways i am rambling.
i think monounsaturated fats are totally underrated as well, i stay leaner when i take 4 tbsp olive oil per day and i get better muscle growth.
another thing about whey is you need to get quality whey with enzymes otherwise you could be interfering with your normal digestion.
akrause2004
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OK, ...so I cannot possibly disagree that real meat is the best possible protein. Having said that, I am out of bed @ 4:00am every morning, have a FULL time career with lots of driving, a wife that works, a 4 year old and a new born and back in bed @ 7:30 every night. It is not realistic to think I'm going to carry around a cooler full of chicken hoping to stumble across a 7-11 where I can run in and microwave it 4-6 times a day. Shakes (in addition to good diet) definitely have their place for busy working people that are trying to maintain decent nutrition and energy.
Also you mention "if shakes would work youd see big guys all over the place". I challenge you to find a serious body builder or power lifter that doesn't supplement protein. You'll never win that one.
SaccoDoingStuff
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I take a 50g protein 70g carb shake about 10 minutes before i'm even done working out, it's worked great for me, but the BCAA i take during my workout as a intra-catalyst, however, you should take BCAA's during the day as well, i agree with keeping your body as a nitrogen rich environment, however, as an E.R. doctor told me one day when i was talking to him too much will make your muscles sag, i don't believe it, but just to be safe make sure you monitor how much you are taking it.
The branch chained amino acid L-leucine directly signals protein synthesis through the mtor pathway. The branch chained amino acids are also extremely anti-catabolic which makes them great to take before cardio, especially when doing fasted cardio.
Just make sure to read the ingredients carefully because a lot of the flavoured BCAA products on the market have a lot of added sugar and carbohydrates per serving. This will blunt the fat loss response that you would of gotten from the cardio other wise. I personally use the capsulated BCAA product gear from n2bm.com.
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Proteins/GEAR-p149.html
Just make sure to read the ingredients carefully because a lot of the flavoured BCAA products on the market have a lot of added sugar and carbohydrates per serving. This will blunt the fat loss response that you would of gotten from the cardio other wise. I personally use the capsulated BCAA product gear from n2bm.com.
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Proteins/GEAR-p149.html
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