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macrophage69alpha
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l-tryptophan
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macrophage69alpha
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OMEGA said:
--- l-tryptophan---
milk and turkey are both high in this amino acid
also why milk and turkey should not be consumed before workouts
macrophage69alpha
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kiosk,
have you tried tryptophan?
Pharmacopsychiatry. 1987 Nov;20(6):245-8. Links
Treatment of severe chronic insomnia with L-tryptophan and varying sleeping times.Demisch K, Bauer J, Georgi K.
Department of Psychiatry, Hospital of the University Frankfurt/M., FRG.
Twenty-five subjects suffering from severe chronic insomnia were treated for four weeks with 2 g of L-tryptophan in combination with a schedule of varying sleeping times which caused a sleep deficiency at the beginning of treatment. A second four-week period without L-tryptophan was used as a control. Nineteen subjects (76%) experienced a markedly improved sleeping pattern after four weeks; the sleeping behavior of ten of these subjects, however, deteriorated again after the control period. Daily self-rating protocols revealed that the subjects' sleep improved significantly between the 10th and 15th day after starting treatment. Further sleep-related items such as "activity", "mood", "nervous tension", "contentment", and "quality of the preceding day" were also evaluated. This treatment schedule can thus be recommended for the treatment of severe chronic insomnia.
Nutr Neurosci. 2005 Apr;8(2):121-7. Links
Protein source tryptophan versus pharmaceutical grade tryptophan as an efficacious treatment for chronic insomnia.Hudson C, Hudson SP, Hecht T, MacKenzie J.
Biosential Inc., 1543 Bayview Avenue, Suite 346, Toronto, Ontario M4G 3B5, Canada. [email protected]
BACKGROUND: Intact protein rich in tryptophan was not seen as an alternative to pharmaceutical grade tryptophan since protein also contains large neutral amino acids (LNAAs) that compete for transport sites across the blood-brain barrier (BBB). Deoiled gourd seed (an extremely rich source of tryptophan-22 mg tryptophan/1 g protein) was combined with glucose, a carbohydrate that reduces serum levels of competing LNAAs which was then compared to pharmaceutical grade tryptophan with carbohydrate as well as carbohydrate alone. METHOD: Objective and subjective measures of sleep were employed to measure changes in sleep as part of a double blind placebo controlled study where subjects were randomly assigned to one of three conditions: (1) Protein source tryptophan (deoiled gourd seed) in combination with carbohydrate; (2) pharmaceutical grade tryptophan in combination with carbohydrate; (3) carbohydrate alone. SUBJECTS: Out of 57 subjects 49 of those who began the study completed the three week protocol. RESULTS: Protein source tryptophan with carbohydrate and pharmaceutical grade tryptophan, but not carbohydrate alone, resulted in significant improvement on subjective and objective measures of insomnia. Protein source tryptophan with carbohydrate alone proved effective in significantly reducing time awake during the night. CONCLUSION: Protein source tryptophan is comparable to pharmaceutical grade tryptophan for the treatment of insomnia.
PMID: 16053244 [PubMed - indexed
have you tried tryptophan?
Pharmacopsychiatry. 1987 Nov;20(6):245-8. Links
Treatment of severe chronic insomnia with L-tryptophan and varying sleeping times.Demisch K, Bauer J, Georgi K.
Department of Psychiatry, Hospital of the University Frankfurt/M., FRG.
Twenty-five subjects suffering from severe chronic insomnia were treated for four weeks with 2 g of L-tryptophan in combination with a schedule of varying sleeping times which caused a sleep deficiency at the beginning of treatment. A second four-week period without L-tryptophan was used as a control. Nineteen subjects (76%) experienced a markedly improved sleeping pattern after four weeks; the sleeping behavior of ten of these subjects, however, deteriorated again after the control period. Daily self-rating protocols revealed that the subjects' sleep improved significantly between the 10th and 15th day after starting treatment. Further sleep-related items such as "activity", "mood", "nervous tension", "contentment", and "quality of the preceding day" were also evaluated. This treatment schedule can thus be recommended for the treatment of severe chronic insomnia.
Nutr Neurosci. 2005 Apr;8(2):121-7. Links
Protein source tryptophan versus pharmaceutical grade tryptophan as an efficacious treatment for chronic insomnia.Hudson C, Hudson SP, Hecht T, MacKenzie J.
Biosential Inc., 1543 Bayview Avenue, Suite 346, Toronto, Ontario M4G 3B5, Canada. [email protected]
BACKGROUND: Intact protein rich in tryptophan was not seen as an alternative to pharmaceutical grade tryptophan since protein also contains large neutral amino acids (LNAAs) that compete for transport sites across the blood-brain barrier (BBB). Deoiled gourd seed (an extremely rich source of tryptophan-22 mg tryptophan/1 g protein) was combined with glucose, a carbohydrate that reduces serum levels of competing LNAAs which was then compared to pharmaceutical grade tryptophan with carbohydrate as well as carbohydrate alone. METHOD: Objective and subjective measures of sleep were employed to measure changes in sleep as part of a double blind placebo controlled study where subjects were randomly assigned to one of three conditions: (1) Protein source tryptophan (deoiled gourd seed) in combination with carbohydrate; (2) pharmaceutical grade tryptophan in combination with carbohydrate; (3) carbohydrate alone. SUBJECTS: Out of 57 subjects 49 of those who began the study completed the three week protocol. RESULTS: Protein source tryptophan with carbohydrate and pharmaceutical grade tryptophan, but not carbohydrate alone, resulted in significant improvement on subjective and objective measures of insomnia. Protein source tryptophan with carbohydrate alone proved effective in significantly reducing time awake during the night. CONCLUSION: Protein source tryptophan is comparable to pharmaceutical grade tryptophan for the treatment of insomnia.
PMID: 16053244 [PubMed - indexed
SuppAddict
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wow. how bout some Kava-Kava? That works great for me.
pitbullrocco
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i've actually had good experience with kava and valerian combined.
on other days, i roll a fatty and puff until it goes out on its own.
then its time for bed.
on other days, i roll a fatty and puff until it goes out on its own.
then its time for bed.
macrophage69alpha
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pitbullrocco said:
thos three can be quite effective, especially if your sleep issues are related to anxiety.
pitbullrocco
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macrophage69alpha said:
oh yeah. and then also slap some benadryl on top of that......then a few sprays of oxycalm.....
then feel the GABA coursin thru ur veins
truckdaddy
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sonota
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i just found this while doing some research on it...as i too am an insomniac...i am on lunesta and it helps...i still don't get 8 hours of sleep...i prob get about 3-4 every night. can't remember the last time i got 8 hours...
Is tryptophan safe as a dietary supplement?
L-tryptophan was a very popular sleeping aid in the United States until recently, and was also used for premenstrual syndrome and depression. The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) removed it off the market in 1990 because of a sudden outbreak of eosinophilic-myalgia syndrome among people who had taken the supplement. About 5,000 people got sick and 27 died.
The ailment Eosinophilic-myalgia is characterized by muscle pain, weakness, and joint pain. It is serious and sometimes fatal. An investigation into the connection with L-tryptophan traced the problem to a contaminated batch of the supplement made by a Japanese company, Showa Denko KK, which had changed its fermentation process to incorporate genetically engineered bacteria, and had also lessened the amount of charcoal it used to purify the product. Nevertheless, the FDA did not relax its ban, reasoning that it's still not clear whether manufacturers can make a product that isn't toxic. However, L-tryptophan is still available by prescription in Canada.
Of course, this does NOTt mean that the tryptophan that occurs naturally in foods, like turkey is harmful! The tryptophan that occurs naturally in foods, like turkey, is perfectly safe.
Is tryptophan safe as a dietary supplement?
L-tryptophan was a very popular sleeping aid in the United States until recently, and was also used for premenstrual syndrome and depression. The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) removed it off the market in 1990 because of a sudden outbreak of eosinophilic-myalgia syndrome among people who had taken the supplement. About 5,000 people got sick and 27 died.
The ailment Eosinophilic-myalgia is characterized by muscle pain, weakness, and joint pain. It is serious and sometimes fatal. An investigation into the connection with L-tryptophan traced the problem to a contaminated batch of the supplement made by a Japanese company, Showa Denko KK, which had changed its fermentation process to incorporate genetically engineered bacteria, and had also lessened the amount of charcoal it used to purify the product. Nevertheless, the FDA did not relax its ban, reasoning that it's still not clear whether manufacturers can make a product that isn't toxic. However, L-tryptophan is still available by prescription in Canada.
Of course, this does NOTt mean that the tryptophan that occurs naturally in foods, like turkey is harmful! The tryptophan that occurs naturally in foods, like turkey, is perfectly safe.
Cauliflower Ear
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gaba melatonin
02gixxersix
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melatonin and valerian root combined will knock you out and give yousome crazy ass dreams. I wanna get a prescription for lunesta soon though if they will hook me up.
Little point that needs to be made, though, not everyone responds to Valerian root02gixxersix said:
for a small percentage of the population, valerian actually has an essentially REVERSE effect, it'll wake you up (but not awake enough to be buzzing).Now there is an herbal supplement called "Happy Camper" that has Kava and other herbals and no valerian and it can be very relaxing, almost as good as Xanax, seriously.
