Whats wrong with Nolva?

[patternsco]

Hi Guys,

Just started coming on here more often, reading up as may do a cycle in the future. Seems alot of people on here say nolva is no good for pct? then what is? i know unleashed/phytoserm347 etc are good and i thought additionally to standard pct.

Been on a few other forums and ive always seen nolva or clomid as the standard pct, with optional libido/test boosters thrown in. Someone able to help me understand this or point me in the right direction?

 

[RADAR]

Everyone else is doing it because they don't know any better, For PCT 4 words "It's a shitty drug"
Nova does absolutely nothing in restarting your HPTA.

 

[patternsco]

haha.. makes sense, times change etc i guess. Strange how most other forums still swear by them though. tbh id be more comfortable with a more natural pct than a breast cancer tab, and my friends all say clomid is nasty on them (emotions, crying, sickness, which scare the crap outta me!).

ok mate well i can see people on here recommend, forma, unleashed/phytoserm347 for pct, bridge for after pct and hcgenerate on. i cant get any of these as in uk and stock seems out everywhere in US, plus some have mentioned customs/shipping can be a problem. i can get hcgenerate and bridge.

so how do you research what IS needed in pct, rather than specific products? are there any alternatives or is it only those that people use? looking at the main ingredients of those, seems you can get most of them separately quite easily.

Looking at pct generally, im presuming once you come off, you want to keep eostrogen binding low to help kickstart test (i.e. Nolva/ a serm), and then aid that with a test type booster/LH . I take it AI's like 6bromo and ATD arent good as serms as you can get rebound and this just shuts down estrogen? im not in a mad rush and still researching at this stage but would be good to know exactly whats what.

 

[stevesmi]

you can read the PCT sticky.. that will help you a lot

pct is dependent on your cycle, length, dosages, compounds, etc.

 

[patternsco]

yeh had a read of that already, will prob need to read again. It only mentioned the products above also though, so im taking it there are no alternatives?

It would be a 500mg pw test only cycle - 10-15 weeks.

 

[Nelson Montana]

it's a complete myth that nolva restores HPTA. It is an ant gyno drug and there are better ones. And it kills you dick. That's what's wrong with it.

 

[patternsco]

Thanks mate i get that, but doesnt really answer my Q above - what is an alternative?

 

[callmejay]

It's highly toxic, carcinogenic, and not very effective. Nonsurgical treatment of male infertility: specific and empiric therapy

"Tamoxifen citrate is an antiestrogen that exhibits less estrogenic activity than clomiphene citrate and has been used in the treatment of male infertility. Doses range from 10 to 30 mg orally per day. Side effects are similar to those seen with clomiphene citrate but occur with lower frequency because of its weaker estrogenic properties. Although initial uncontrolled studies reported impressive results, including increased sperm densities and pregnancy rates (Vermeulen and Comhaire 1978; Bartsch and Scheiber 1981; Buvat et al 1983), all controlled studies using tamoxifen 10 to 20 mg per day reported negative results (Willis et al 1977; AinMelk et al 1987; Krause et al 1992)."

There are other threads with supporting studies on the toxicity of it.

The alternative is Clomid or Torem

 

[RickRock13]

Thread title should be changed to "What ISNT wrong with Nolva?"

There is literally no benefit to it unless you are a woman with breast cancer

 

[infraredline]

Thanks mate i get that, but doesnt really answer my Q above - what is an alternative?

The biggest reason nolva is a problem is it decreases collagen synthesis

Now to answer your question the alternatives or shall I say better options to nolvadex are:

Clomid dosed 25mg/25mg/25mg/25mg
Or
Torem dosed 90mg/60mg/60mg/30mg