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pacho14

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Hello everyone ! i'm new on the forum and i am happy to be a part of it . I will introduce myself and my situation.

Im 23 , 5 ''11 180 pounds, low body fat % . I have been trainning since i am 16 on a regular and intense basis .I have followed many nutrition plans and tried all the proteins and creatines . I am stuck a 180 punds

Im a hockey player who needs to put on about 10 pounds during my off season . My off season is from june to september . I would like to start my new season in september with the same fat % and the same speed. I am fast player who needs to stay fast but with a +10 pounds on my frame.

I have planned to take d-bol for 3-4 weeks of june . Then keep traniing hard on my quickness to get used to my new weight for the rest of the summer without anabolics . Is it a good idea ?

Am i gonna take about 10 pound with dianabol if i eat and train right ?
Am i gonna keep at least 7 pounds of my weight gain when i will stop my d-bol cycle ?
Is it only a bloat of water ?
IF not what substance would you recommend me for a beginner on anabolics that is fairly mild ??
Oral stuff too

Is it dangerous for the heart to do cardio while on a cycle ?

I hope i don't ask too many question :confused: ?

thank you very much i appreciate it a lot from you guys !
 
more questions the better. Bol may get you where you want to be, people react differently to it and keep a small amount. depending on your caloric/protein/carb intake. def continue stretching really well to stay fexible especially if your doin hockey. others may tell you to run test with your bol, but you may can run it by itself. look into a pct for any sides that may occur and to keep what you gain, besides the water.
 
it's impossible for any of us to predict how much you'll gain and how much you'll keep. you will retain a decent amount of water weight from the dbol, so keep that in mind. you also didn't mention any form of PCT. You will need to run PCT regardless of what you take.

You also said you were looking for something that was mild. Dbol is far from that. It has some of the roughest sides you can get, and you need to be prepared to handle those if they arise.
 
You could run Tbol instead for 6 weeks, less bloat. Some people respond really well and it may be a good starting block...

-Legacy
 
Just a big warning, it can be nearly impossible to do cardio on dbol. Especially intense cardio. You may want to think about a simple test cycle. If you are only willing to do orals think about beast.
 
Yes i would take a PCT after for sure as well as the liv52 for my liver! I agree that a Tbol would be better for me cause there is no bloat and you keep your gains better . Can i do medium intensity cardio while im on T-bol ?? what kind of dosage should i take as a first cycle ? i think that a 3-4 weeks at 40 mg per day could be appropriate for me .

Or simply a test cycle ? what kind of test orals cycle would be good for me . I heard that doing cardio is easier when you are only on a test cycle .. is that right ?

thank you very much for the answer you really help me !!!
 
You can run it long and light or short & heavy but you can't do both, I personally like long and light, less stress on the liver,gains are more keepable. The longer you are in an anabolic state the more protein you will digest =more quality muscle.



RADAR
 
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If you decided to do a test cycle it is injectable. You could do a 10 wk cycle at 500mgs per wk. You should have no problem gaining 10lbs. Tbol would also be a decent option. I have also heard of people having sucess with anavar.
 
ah ok ! thank you . But it probably stays in the blood for a while i guess so i would like to be clean by september because depends which team i will play for . One league is tested and not the other . What would be the dosage of Tbol for a 4 weeks cycle ? 50 mg 60 mg?
 
yea bro i did a cycle of test for my first one a year ago at 1cc on mon and 1cc on thur.it was a ten week cycle and i must say it was great for a first run.i gained 18 pounds and my labido and sex drive was through the roof(my wife loved it)lol.
 
50mgs would be a good start but you really may want to look into beastdrol. Do a search on results. I know you can still get it with some of our sponsors.
 
beastrol is oral ??.. what i like about the t-bol is that there is almost no side effect with it and i would like to run it alone . With liv52 during the cycle and a pct after my 4 weeks cycle .. its not as strong as dbol . What are the sides with beastrol ??? i don't find a lot of information about that product . Most of what i heard say that nothing is proved with beastrol and we don't know what's in it .. Is t-bol more of a ''safe'' product ?
 
I ve seen that with beastrol your vascularity can go up ! Is it good to do intense cardio on beastrol ?? if yes , i might consider this. Are my gains more keepable with beastrol than tbol ?? I would like to know which one to take because ive done a lot of research and so far these are my 2 choices ! anavar seems good but your gains seems to low with that . I don't want to cut , i want to gain lean mass that i will keep after . So tbol or beastrol ??

thank you my friends ! i know i
 
Welcome to the board bro, just take some time to learn more about everything. Dbol is a great starter. Also, 3-4 weeks i would say go at least 6-8 weeks. How much were you planning on doing ed?
 
beastdrol may be better if thier testing. i'm enjoying beastdrol and my body is accustomed to inj'bles so it's nice to see a benefit from a ph. vascularity=yes, strength endurance=yes, balls have risen=yes, muscle fullness=yes about o add some need2slin into the mix. if u need any of it, i'm sure you know needto or orbit is the place
 
RADAR said:
You can run it long and light or short & heavy but you can't do both, I personally like long and light, less sterss on the liver,gains are more keepable. The longer you are in an anabolic state the more protein you will digest =more quality muscle.



RADAR
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Agree. dbol alone is very old school and will give you 10 lbs with about 60% retention. You have to eat more protein and sleep a bit more.

Tough on liver and blood pressure. You'll also discover how you react to the side effects. Gets addictive to make gains and feel invincible.

100 mg of test c in the cheeks once a week will do the same more effectively, but with the orals, you can just stop if you don't like it and come out quickly.

No danger to do cardio. Think of it as a super vit.

Read the stickies so you begin to understand more.
 
ok i see ! what kind of oral testosterone should i take? i won't go with dbol because i don't want any bloat or water retention. Thats one of the reason why i was more interested in tbol
 
I don't know much about oral Tesosterone...Just shoot it. Bloat consists of diet also....any kind of Test can cause bloat also. Tbol is a great cutter...everything works around diet and training...AAS isn't a wonder drug...
 
pacho14 said:
ok i see ! what kind of oral testosterone should i take? i won't go with dbol because i don't want any bloat or water retention. Thats one of the reason why i was more interested in tbol
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I would suggest you PM needto, if you are interested in Beast, he can tell you about it. RADAR is def the man to talk to about dbol or tbol. He loves dbol only cycles and has had great success. I only warn you about cardio with dbol b/c I got wicked shin splints on dbol that basically crippled my intense cardio. I have also spoken to a few other bros that have had the same type of problem. Hope this helps.
 
pacho14 said:
ok i see ! what kind of oral testosterone should i take? i won't go with dbol because i don't want any bloat or water retention. Thats one of the reason why i was more interested in tbol
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I'm only aware of one oral test compound, and it is not cost effective or worthwhile for a number of reasons.
 
Boxingheels said:
I would suggest you PM needto, if you are interested in Beast, he can tell you about it. RADAR is def the man to talk to about dbol or tbol. He loves dbol only cycles and has had great success. I only warn you about cardio with dbol b/c I got wicked shin splints on dbol that basically crippled my intense cardio. I have also spoken to a few other bros that have had the same type of problem. Hope this helps.
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What Dosage were you using doing Dbol?


RADAR
 
redshirt27se said:
it really sounds like you need to do more research.
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^^^^^ +1 ^^^^^^

I think you need to determine when you might get tested, figure out the detection times of the gear yoru are considering taking, add 25% to that, and then back into when you need to be finished with your cycle, Then figure out what you can and can't take. Then make a choice of those.

Now a couple things. You don't need test. Your goals are routine enough that a simple oral cycle could easily put you where you need to be, safely, and short. It sounds like all you want is a little boost and then do the rest without AAS, which is commendable. So no need to plan out an injection cycle or get too complicated.

Personally, 4 weeks of 40mg tbol would get you exactly where you need to be, 10lbs would be easy, and easy to come off, with keepable size and strength. however, tbol has a pretty long detection time IIRC.
 
i think you should run an 8 week cycle of test prop at 100mg EOD and kick it off with TBol for the first 4 weeks.
ALter your diet to be very clean, keep adex on hand and you should put on some nice lean mass up to 20lbs if achievable.
Or instead of the tbol take some anavar for the last 5 weeks as test prop will kick in straight away.
 
veneto82 said:
i think you should run an 8 week cycle of test prop at 100mg EOD and kick it off with TBol for the first 4 weeks.
ALter your diet to be very clean, keep adex on hand and you should put on some nice lean mass up to 20lbs if achievable.
Or instead of the tbol take some anavar for the last 5 weeks as test prop will kick in straight away.
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Man! There are so many cycle suggestions I would hate to be a newbie in all of this mess


RADAR
 
thank you guys to help me out ! i was away for 5 days ! After my cycle i have 3 months before i ''may'' get tested ! .. i have been looking all around for detection times and i think that Oral T-bol is no more than 1 month because it is Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone . Do you guys have some personal information that i might not know about that ?? .. After my PCT planned for 4 weeks that is post cycle and unleashed am i going to come back to where i was before my cycle ( testerone level erction ) .. I am ready to accept the sides while on my cycle but i don't want to keep problems fforever because of that . That's one of the reason why i will do 4 weeks at 40 mg ed which is low dosage i think .
 
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