what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo yaaa baby.

[ProtienFiend]

Not trying to start a war here, but Needto, please just admit that you didn't write that first paragraph. I think you would redeem yourself.

 

[JimmyPineapple]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

You DO realize that salival hormone testing, especially for testosterone is damn well worthless? Those results don't mean jack.

 

[medical]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

You DO realize that salival hormone testing, especially for testosterone is damn well worthless? Those results don't mean jack.

They take on more meaning when done comparatively under contolled conditions. The lack of control is why I pulled my testing from the public forum. I'm still doing it but I can't control even my own test subject to a certain degree. It doesn't really matter WHAT tests show....we've all seen products come and go, and the bottom line is if they don't make the user FEEL better then they will fade away. Period.

 

[artificialaspirations]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

You DO realize that salival hormone testing, especially for testosterone is damn well worthless? Those results don't mean jack.

Is there any way to compare this to a blood test or a way to calculate total test from the saliva?

 

[D_Mac]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

Look you dolt... Forgive me if I have concerns about a product that just came out with a handful of people pushing it.... I want concrete proof that it works, I WILL NOT just put anything in my body, I like research and quality test subjects that I RESPECT. As far as conspiracy theories go where the f%#$ did you get that? I merely mentioned that I wanted additional testing from and outside party, is this company beyound question? Maybe-maybe not, but before I put anything in my body or spend that kind on money I want again Research.

"Dolt".... hehe.... good insult

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

Not trying to start a war here, but Needto, please just admit that you didn't write that first paragraph. I think you would redeem yourself.

I don"t understand why I should have to.I have bin on this board for 2 years and I have many a long post's.Any one can look at my post history at a quick glance
and see a lot of smaller post,but you can do that with almost any member on this site.Now I do admit that my spelling has gotten significantly better over the last few months but that has more to do with the spell check I use now that comes with the new fire fox I installed.Also I take my time more often then I used to paying more attention to every thing I am saying,looking it over and making shore it is well thought out rather then a drunken fury like I used to post all the time when I was drinking.More over if you go and look around in other forums like lets say the food and nutrition forum you will find I have quite lengthly threads with lots of well thought out recipes and instructions on all deferent aspects of cooking and food science.

I assure you you don't know me as much as you think you know me.You have no idea what I am capable of accomplishing when I feel like putting the time and effort into it.people like rompperstomper are like a dime a dozen.I have seen my far share of them over the years on this site.they come they blab off at the mouth and then there gone.they talk all this shit to me flam with me and then there gone like a thief in the night never to be seen again.I have weathered my far share of flames,name calling,and accusations from many people just like him on this site and yet were are they.I keep doing what I do
helping were and when I can and I have always out lasted the so called smart
guys.

I will say this one last thing.Don't ever think you know some one just by viewing a few of there post on a web site.Never over look some one who is always there and willing to help just because you think you might know them,and you think they have nothing to offer because you will be surprised
more often then not you are wrong.k thanks by

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

They take on more meaning when done comparatively under contolled conditions. The lack of control is why I pulled my testing from the public forum. I'm still doing it but I can't control even my own test subject to a certain degree. It doesn't really matter WHAT tests show....we've all seen products come and go, and the bottom line is if they don't make the user FEEL better then they will fade away. Period.

this is true....ether that or the government bands them

 

[yonkers weights]

Looks like the Test results are higher but are still low.
What range are you looking at. Confused....

 

[D_Mac]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

I don"t understand why I should have to.I have bin on this board for 2 years and I have many a long post's.Any one can look at my post history at a quick glance
and see a lot of smaller post,but you can do that with almost any member on this site.Now I do admit that my spelling has gotten significantly better over the last few months but that has more to do with the spell check I use now that comes with the new fire fox I installed.Also I take my time more often then I used to paying more attention to every thing I am saying,looking it over and making shore it is well thought out rather then a drunken fury like I used to post all the time when I was drinking.More over if you go and look around in other forums like lets say the food and nutrition forum you will find I have quite lengthly threads with lots of well thought out recipes and instructions on all deferent aspects of cooking and food science.

I assure you you don't know me as much as you think you know me.You have no idea what I am capable of accomplishing when I feel like putting the time and effort into it.people like rompperstomper are like a dime a dozen.I have seen my far share of them over the years on this site.they come they blab off at the mouth and then there gone.they talk all this shit to me flam with me and then there gone like a thief in the night never to be seen again.I have weathered my far share of flames,name calling,and accusations from many people just like him on this site and yet were are they.I keep doing what I do
helping were and when I can and I have always out lasted the so called smart
guys.

I will say this one last thing.Don't ever think you know some one just by viewing a few of there post on a web site.Never over look some one who is always there and willing to help just because you think you might know them,and you think they have nothing to offer because you will be surprised
more often then not you are wrong.k thanks by

Don't worry Needto, your spelling hasn't improved too much

Just bustin your balls, BTW, I finally got an avatar up, whatdya think??

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

Looks like the Test results are higher but are still low.
What range are you looking at. Confused....

well you can see my test levels were low before I took the derma levels should
be between 44 and 148.my level was 59 not to good and prob do to the cycle a did and I never properly recovered from it.then after just two weeks of derma it went up to 106 witch is a 100% increase in test levels.Also you will see my estro
was very high with the Ideal range being between 0-3 I was at a 4.7.after 2 weeks of derma it was down to a 3.4 still a bit higher then the ideal range I would like but keeping in mind that was at just week 2 with still 2 more weeks to go to the bottle I had.with my dheas being at a staggering 300% higher then before I started its prob safe to say that the dheas would increase my test even further in the next few weeks to come most likely pushing it above 148.