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What should be their punishment?

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What sort of punishment should two college students face if they secretly taped and transmitted footage of two male students having sex, a few days before one of those on the tape committed suicide?
PISCATAWAY, N.J. — The death of a Rutgers University freshman stirred outrage and remorse on campus from classmates who wished they could have stopped the teen from jumping off a bridge last week after a recording of him having a sexual encounter with a man was broadcast online.

"Had he been in bed with a woman, this would not have happened," said Lauren Felton, 21, of Warren. "He wouldn't have been outed via an online broadcast and his privacy would have been respected and he might still have his life."

Gay rights groups say Tyler Clementi's suicide makes him a national example of a problem they are increasingly working to combat: young people who kill themselves after being tormented over their sexuality.

A lawyer for Clementi's family confirmed Wednesday that he had jumped off the George Washington Bridge last week. Police recovered a man's body Wednesday afternoon in the Hudson River just north of the bridge, and authorities were trying to determine if it was Clementi's.

The lawyer has not responded to requests for comment on whether Clementi was open about his sexual orientation.

Clementi's roommate, Dhraun Ravi, and fellow Rutgers freshman Molly Wei, both 18, have been charged with invading Clementi's privacy. Middlesex County prosecutors say the pair used a webcam to surreptitiously transmit a live image of Clementi having sex on Sept. 19 and that Ravi tried to webcast a second encounter on Sept. 21, the day before Clementi's suicide.

A lawyer for Ravi, of Plainsboro, did not immediately return a message seeking comment. It was unclear whether Wei, of Princeton, had retained a lawyer.

Collecting or viewing sexual images without consent is a fourth-degree crime. Transmitting them is a third-degree crime with a maximum prison term of five years.

ABC News and The Star-Ledger of Newark reported that Clementi left on his Facebook page on Sept. 22 a note that read: "Jumping off the gw bridge sorry." On Wednesday, his Facebook page was accessible only to friends.

Even if the young violinist from Ridgewood was not well known at his new school, his death stirred outrage.

"The notion that video of Tyler doing what he was doing can be considered a spectacle is just heinous," said Jordan Gochman, 19, of Jackson, who didn't know Clementi. "It's intolerant, it's upsetting, it makes it seem that being gay is something that is wrong and can be considered laughable."

Other students who did know Clement were upset that they didn't do more to help him. "I wish I could have been more of an ally," said Georges Richa, a freshman from New Brunswick.

About 100 people gathered Wednesday night for a vigil on campus. They lay on the ground and chanted slogans like, "We're here, we're queer, we're not going home."

Several gay rights groups linked Clementi's death to the troubling phenomenon of young people committing suicide after being harassed over their sexuality.

On Tuesday, a 13-year-old California boy died nine days after classmates found him hanging from a tree. Authorities say other teens had taunted the boy, Seth Walsh of Tehachapi, for being gay.

Steven Goldstein, chairman of Garden State Equality, said in a statement that his group considers Clementi's death a hate crime.

"We are heartbroken over the tragic loss of a young man who, by all accounts, was brilliant, talented and kind," Goldstein said. "And we are sickened that anyone in our society, such as the students allegedly responsible for making the surreptitious video, might consider destroying others' lives as a sport."

Last week, Dan Savage, a columnist at the Seattle weekly newspaper The Stranger, launched the latest of several efforts to try to stem the problem: the It Gets Better Project, a YouTube channel where gay, lesbian and bisexual adults share the turmoil they experienced when they were younger — and that their lives are better now.

In response to Clementi's death and other incidents, the group Parents, Families & Friends of Lesbians and Gays said it would issue a "call to action" on the subject on Thursday.

Rutgers University President Richard McCormick wrote in a letter to the campus, "If the charges are true, these actions gravely violate the university's standards of decency and humanity." Coincidentally, the university on Wednesday was launching a new two-year Project Civility, designed to get students thinking about how they treat others.

Meanwhile, for some of Clementi's new classmates, the first time they learned much about him was when they got word of his death.

"I guess the only person I haven't talked to is Tyler 'cause he's like really quiet and shy," said Justin Lee, a freshman from Princeton who lives on Clementi's hall.

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it's hard to say.

what these kids did was fucked up...and just creepy and weird. But it'd be hard to punish them for any aspect of the murder or suicide. It was ultimately the kid who decided to end his own life. He could have handled it many other ways.

but still, they deserve to be punished to the full extent for illegal video taping and what not. Also punitive damages because essentially it was tort
 
Invasion of privacy and/or IIED. Depends on NJ law.

There exist updates regarding the first filming being accidental -- there's some doubt as to the connection between the streaming video and suicide.

Not enough information at this time.



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I was waiting on someone to post this thread. I hope they get some real jail time. WTF were they THINKING doing that? The first thing that crossed though my mind when I read this story was that their parents failed them. They have no morals whatsoever.

They need to be made an example, this stuff shouldnt happen.
 
I don't think there are many precedents set for situations like this - as awful as it was what they did, they can't be held at fault for him taking his own life. There are so many other things involved - all the moments in his life up until that point that contributed to his desperation that made him feel as if he were unable to live a happy life.

You have to separate the two things - how would they be punished in a situation if they had done this, and he were still alive?
 
I was waiting on someone to post this thread. I hope they get some real jail time. WTF were they THINKING doing that? The first thing that crossed though my mind when I read this story was that their parents failed them. They have no morals whatsoever.

They need to be made an example, this stuff shouldnt happen.


It was a college prank in the age of social networking and interwebs. The fag was obviously already extremely unstable. Worst case scenario was transferring, not blowing his brains out.

The female was already released.



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I don't think there are many precedents set for situations like this - as awful as it was what they did, they can't be held at fault for him taking his own life. There are so many other things involved - all the moments in his life up until that point that contributed to his desperation that made him feel as if he were unable to live a happy life.

You have to separate the two things - how would they be punished in a situation if they had done this, and he were still alive?
 
You have to separate the two things - how would they be punished in a situation if they had done this, and he were still alive?


Likewise, people have to stop differentiating this from a hetero situation, which would get little to no news coverage.

This ain't 1950. People need to quit making "gay" a huge deal and get on with their lives.



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The fag was obviously already extremely unstable. :

c'mon dude, really? You're better than this.



Anyway....for doing it the second time it'll be a crime against our society if those two little fuckers don't get the book thrown at em. It's 5 years max according to the article and they should serve every single one of those approx 2+ million minutes. I mean didn't they webcast it or something? There's something sick there. I mean if I were king these kids would probably be marched off to the cutting block next week so an example is to be made. All these neat new modern technology is cool and everything....but know your role. Know where the line is. At the very least both of em should be deported even though they are likely U.S citizens.....make some example of them,a line has to be drawn on this shit.
 
c'mon dude, really? You're better than this.



Anyway....for doing it the second time it'll be a crime against our society if those two little fuckers don't get the book thrown at em. It's 5 years max according to the article and they should serve every single one of those approx 2+ million minutes. I mean didn't they webcast it or something? There's something sick there. I mean if I were king these kids would probably be marched off to the cutting block next week so an example is to be made. All these neat new modern technology is cool and everything....but know your role. Know where the line is. At the very least both of em should be deported even though they are likely U.S citizens.....make some example of them,a line has to be drawn on this shit.

the fact of the matter is - these kids did not kill him, they cannot be punished for that. They can be punished for video taping somebody and displaying it - that's it. you have to take emotions and biases out of it
 
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