What makes a steroid safe

[Realgains]

A lot of people have been "PMing" me about this. So here's the basic layout:

For a 3 week cycle one injectable and one oral works best. One should be a high androgen and one should be more anabolic. In other words, if you use test,(strong androgen) go with winny or var. (highly anabolic) If you use a mild injectable such as primo or deca, go with d-bol for the oral.

However, I don't recomend deca, but if you use it, you must use it with winny to counteract the progesterone.

Proviron is too mild to put on much muscle, but it's the best anti-gyno compound around.
And of course, no clomid.

The above is good advice bro's.... except the no clomid, although I can appreciate your concerns in regard to this drug.

In regard to nandrolone....I was hesitant to recommend it as many seem to have HPTA recovery problems post cycle but many can also take the stuff with no problems at all. It gives very few sides at moderate dose for many and it is the only steroid that is mild on the scalp since it converts to the very weak androgen DHN. So...a little experimentation may be called for.
Winstrol does seem to counter the progesterone receptor activation by nandrolone just like Nelson said. This is a good combo but low dose nandrolone doesn't noramlly have too much of a PR activation affect IMHO.

About Proviron....it is a crappy ananbolic but it does do two things.
Proviron provides the needed androgen in a nandrolone cycle for feelings of well being and sex drive, as nandrolone alone doesn't always provide enough androgen to keep libido up and depression down.
Proviron also strongly binds to plasma binding proteins and this will leave more nandrolone in the unbound state and this is good for ananbolism.
Proviron is also a decent estrogen inhibitor and will take care of much of the estrogen from nandrolones moderate aromatization.
Nandrolone does activate the PR but this almost never causes gyno at moderate doses.
Proviron is a good androgen and helps with that "hard look"

RG

 

[Realgains]

Are those BP monitors that are in pharmacy's you can use for free very accurate?I just started my cycle last Sunday and I want to keep a close eye on my BP.

They are good.

RG

 

[Qrios]

True, D-bol is toxic and suppressive, but it's just that it's so fucking effective! That's what makes it a viable option. Mg for mg, you get the biggest bang for your buck. You don't need a lot of D-bol to get awesome results if you train and eat correctly.

Would you say a low dose dbol is more or less dangerous than some other aas for the same anabolic effect?

In a stack with letts say deca it seems to make a lot of difference and would be well worth the "risk" to ad some dbol and perhaps lower the dose of deca?

Qrios

 

[Nelson Montana]

Qrios: Good question -- and normally that would be the case. Use a little more d-bol and you can use a ot less of the corresponding drug. However, the D-bol/Deca combo is notorious for inflicting gyno. It's really a lousy stack.

RG: True, Proviron is a crappy anabolic that is good to use with Deca, but not so much for its anti estrogenic effect but due to the fact that's it converts to DHT, which one: prevents gyno, and two: increases libido -- which deca takes away.

My reasons for not using clomid.

If dosages are moderate estrogen conversion wil not be a problem.

Too little estrogen will hinder gains, decrease libido and raise cholesterol.

Sooner or later you have to come off, and start at square one with your own HPTA.

Clomid does not help in recovery. It just delays it. (In cases where it works at all, and often it doesn't)

 

[40butpumpin]

Another great post by RG, thanks bro. I agree RG should be a mod.

 

[Realgains]

Another great post by RG, thanks bro. I agree RG should be a mod.

My wife would probably kill me if that happened as she already thinks I live on the computer he he he .

RG

 

[FreakMonster]

My reasons for not using clomid.

If dosages are moderate estrogen conversion wil not be a problem.

Too little estrogen will hinder gains, decrease libido and raise cholesterol.

Sooner or later you have to come off, and start at square one with your own HPTA.

Clomid does not help in recovery. It just delays it. (In cases where it works at all, and often it doesn't)

What do you recommend then when coming off a fairly heavy cycle?

 

[HighBall]

Awesome post...just had to Bump it...

 

[Frackal]

UNIQUE ROIDS(recently new info to me)

Anavar is somewhat different than the other 17aa roids as it doesn't seem to be metabolized by the liver to the same degree. It is mostly detoxified by the kidneys




Great general info

 

[rjl296]

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