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What makes a steroid safe

Realgains

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Well to be perfectly honest NO steroid is totally safe but here are a few basic tips for those trying to be as safe with gear as possible...

The most serious acute health issue is liver damage and failure. The most serious long term affect is cardiovascular disease from years with a crappy lipid profile. Also long term users often have an enlarged heart, although little is know about how this affects their health. Older men run the risk of feeding prostate cancer cells that may be brewing in the prostate with powerful androgens like testosterone.
Who really gives a shit about acne and hair loss bro's as these sides are peanuts really.

CONSIDER THE DOSE

Large doses have a greater negative impact on the body as a whole especially in regard to liver, lipid profile and prostate issues.
BTW...small doses will shut HPTA down just as well as large doses so it doesn't matter if you are only taking 250 of test/week...you are going to be totally shut down.


CONSIDER THE ANDROGENICITY

Hormones like testosterone, trenbolone, d-bol and anadrol are the most androgenic and cause more problems with the prostate, hair line, lipid profile etc....not to mention acne.
Mild androgens like Nandrolone, Boldenone, anavar, primo and winstrol have less impact here.
NOTE: Nandrolone seems to shut some men down at the level of the testes more so than any other hormone even though it is a very mild androgen. Recovery of HPTA after nandrolone can be a real issue for some men...others have no problem.

CONSIDER ITS COMPOSITION

Steroids that are 17 alpha alkylated are hard on the liver. The 17aa compound is added to many orals steroids in order to protect the hormone from degradation by the digestive system BUT it is hard on the liver. After ingestion of oral steroids they go directly into the portal vein and straight to the liver in one big HIT. The liver has to detoxify the 17aa component all at once.
Winstrol is 17aa in both its oral and IM forms but the oral form will have a greater negative impact on the liver since the IM form is detoxified slower and over about a weeks time.
So either avoid 17aa roids altogther or limit their use to 4-6 weeks max. Also use liver protectors and detoxifiers like Tyler detox tabs and r-ala.

All steroids will cause some liver stress even if they are not 17aa so you just can't forget about that issue bro's especially if you are taking high doses.

Hormones that aromatize can cause some serious problems most notibly high blood pressure. This is caused by aromatization to estrogen as estrogen will cause one to retain much water bulk.
Some counter this affect with estrogen inhibitors like arimidex but these too have nasty sides such as the tendancy to make the lipid profile REALLY REALLY SHITTY with a terrible hdl to total cholesterol ration.
Anadrol does not aromatize but does activate the progesterone receptor and causes a lot of water gain as well.
Why worry about a high BP?....because it can damage your kidneys for starters!

CONSIDER THE DURATION

It stands to reason that the longer one is on a cycle the greater the negative health impact. I recommend limiting cycles to no more than 10 weeks. Actually two to three week cycles are safest by far.

CONSIDER FREQUENCY

One should practise time on = time off AT LEAST all the time, unless you are a top level competitor. So if you are "on" for 8 weeks take at least 8 weeks off minimum. This gives the body time to normalize and normally allows the lipid profile to normalize, gives the liver a rest, and allows the testes to return to normal functioning.
If you are a more frequent user you risk cardiovascular plaque build up from a crappy lipid profile. You also risk HPTA recovery problems from shruken testes(unless you use HCG) and a chronically lessened pituitary response to GnRH from the hypothalamus.

MOST DANGEROUS ROIDS

#1. Anandrol. Anandrol is #1 for two reasons....it is very androgenic and more importantly it takes a large mg dose to be affective. As a result more 17aa compound is needed to protect the roid from the gut. It also causes a lot of water retention.
#2.Halo
#3 D-bol
#4 Winstrol

UNIQUE ROIDS(recently new info to me)

Anavar is somewhat different than the other 17aa roids as it doesn't seem to be metabolized by the liver to the same degree. It is mostly detoxified by the kidneys. I have read a medical study on this so this is no bull...I will try hard to dig it up.
This doesn't mean that anavar has no impact on the liver but just less than d-bol and the like.
Anavar is a very weak androgen too and as such doesn't give the androgenic sides of some roids.

TESTOSTERONE IS UNIQUE

In low dose test isn't that bad at all...but I am talking about less than 500mg per week. In high dose testosterone can be very harsh especially on the prostate, lipid profile and skin and hari line in those that are prone to hair loss.

SAFEST ROIDS

#1. Primo orally or IM. The oral form is not 17aa and is not hard on the liver. It is a very mild androgen and a decent ananbolic. That doesn't mean you can take large doses without negative affects!
#2. Boldenone. This hormone is quite mild androgenically and will give similar gains to nandrolone. It does aromatize but not greatly.
#3. Nandrolone is a good anabolic and a very mild androgen. It causes some bloat but usually not that much. It does activate the PR and it does aromatize a bit but generally speaking this isn't an issue. It can cause gyno but it is very rare with moderate doses.
Unfortunately there is something about nandrolone that causes the testes to be very sluggish post cycle. Some men have a real hard time recovering from nandrolone and some seem to be able to use it at will .

HOW TO STACK AND REDUCE SIDES

By taking a mix of a strong androgen like testosterone and a weak androgen like primo or nandrolone you can see good gains with reduced androgenic sides. ie: 500 of test and 500 of nandrolone will give similar gains to a gram of test but with less sides.

NO NEED TO STACK

The vast majority of the men reading this should stick to moderate doses of one weak androgen for the most part. Most here are just recreational bodybuiders and as such should never use large doses of steroids or testosterone.
ALSO PLEASE always be followed by an MD if you are using steroids, PLEASE!
If you insist on not being followed then be damn sure to do routine blood work at independant labs. Many will do blood work without a doctors script. Get your liver enzymes checked as well as lipid profile and if you are 30 or over get your psa(prostate) checked too.
Monitor your BP at the BP stations at drug stores. If the systolic(top number) is 140 or more OR the diastolic(bottom number) is 90 or more then see a doctor!
Educate yourself on the lab normals and what is considered dangerous.

Best of gains and health.
RG:)
 
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Suggestion:

On the most dangerous roids part, you should add METHYLTESTOSTERONE as number 2 above Halo.

1. It's a very high androgen
2. It's up there in liver toxicity with Anadrol and Halotestin
3. It's known to raise blood pressure to alarming heights
4. It converts to estrogen very easily
5. It causes extreme aggression in some

NN
 
awesome post bro....more informative facts from a well informed individual. Keep up the awesome work, you shoulda been a mod long ago.
SuperchrgedE
 
If D-bol is #3 most dangerous roid then why did you say in the "70's bodybuilding post" that it was great addition to a stack??
 
ONE MORE THING

that makes a steroid safe is.............

YOUR SOURCE!!!

Watch who you deal with... you MUST be able to trust your source!! If your source tells you he can get anything at anytime... bullshiet!! If your source doesn't know the contents of the game or the game itself .... FUK HIM! You will never know what your source or his source is putting in the amps/pills/vials if they so happen to be a fraud!
 
Good info!!!

Doesen't anavar fucks up the lipid profile quite badly?
Also does anyone know why it(lipid profile) can get so crappy while on steroids?
Androgen to estrogen ratio?

Qrios
 
Nutrient-Nut said:
Suggestion:

On the most dangerous roids part, you should add METHYLTESTOSTERONE as number 2 above Halo.

1. It's a very high androgen
2. It's up there in liver toxicity with Anadrol and Halotestin
3. It's known to raise blood pressure to alarming heights
4. It converts to estrogen very easily
5. It causes extreme aggression in some

NN


Very true but this form of test isn't used much by bodybuilders really....but I guess some may use it so thats a good addition to the list

RG:)
 
Xiodus said:
If D-bol is #3 most dangerous roid then why did you say in the "70's bodybuilding post" that it was great addition to a stack??

D-bol is just so damn good for mass and strength ...but it is 17aa and not the best choice really. You have to know what you are doing if you are taking d-bol(or any steroid for that matter) If you want a very strong cycle without 17aa roids then stick to test/tren.

RG
:)
 
Realgains said:


NO... as long as you are not using anything else.

RG:)

750mg/week test weeks 1-12
600mg/week EQ weeks 1-12
75mg ED Fina weeks 6-13

HCG 500iu ED weeks 5,6/12,13
Arimidex .5 mg ED weeks 1-18
Clomid weeks 15-18


Does this look like a high dose cycle? To me it seems ok...
 
goliath.jr said:


750mg/week test weeks 1-12
600mg/week EQ weeks 1-12
75mg ED Fina weeks 6-13

HCG 500iu ED weeks 5,6/12,13
Arimidex .5 mg ED weeks 1-18
Clomid weeks 15-18


Does this look like a high dose cycle? To me it seems ok...


It's low compaired to many and especially the pro's but do you compete?....if not then I think its high as 500 of test and 500 of eq would be more than enough.


RG:)
Be followed by an MD!
 
Realgains said:



It's low compaired to many and especially the pro's but do you compete?....if not then I think its high as 500 of test and 500 of eq would be more than enough.


RG:)
Be followed by an MD!

No, I don't compete. I've been thinking about backing off to 500mg Test and 400 mg EQ because my cycles have been way too expensive. I use sust,, so I'd probably go to an every third day injection schedule with the EQ on Monday and Thursday - what do you think? I just want the best results possible. I've never been a fan of wasting my time.
 
goliath.jr said:


No, I don't compete. I've been thinking about backing off to 500mg Test and 400 mg EQ because my cycles have been way too expensive. I use sust,, so I'd probably go to an every third day injection schedule with the EQ on Monday and Thursday - what do you think? I just want the best results possible. I've never been a fan of wasting my time.

Sounds good....rely more on very sound training with plenty of recuperation time. Lowish volume, infrequent workouts with high effort in the big basic movements. Focus on progressively incresing poundages with small to tiny jumps each week.

RG
 
RG: Sounds like what you really want is to be a writer. Too bad roid info has fallen out of favor in the newstand mags and even on a lot of (paying) websites. If you tightened that post up a bit, it could be an article. Think about it.

As far as the question regarding D-bol-- allow me, if I may.

True, D-bol is toxic and suppressive, but it's just that it's so fucking effective! That's what makes it a viable option. Mg for mg, you get the biggest bang for your buck. You don't need a lot of D-bol to get awesome results if you train and eat correctly.
 
Nelson Montana said:
RG: Sounds like what you really want is to be a writer. Too bad roid info has fallen out of favor in the newstand mags and even on a lot of (paying) websites. If you tightened that post up a bit, it could be an article. Think about it.

As far as the question regarding D-bol-- allow me, if I may.

True, D-bol is toxic and suppressive, but it's just that it's so fucking effective! That's what makes it a viable option. Mg for mg, you get the biggest bang for your buck. You don't need a lot of D-bol to get awesome results if you train and eat correctly.

YUP!
We agree on more than you think bro.

RG:)
 
Good info!!!

Doesen't anavar fucks up the lipid profile quite badly?
Also does anyone know why it(lipid profile) can get so crappy while on steroids?
Androgen to estrogen ratio?

:confused: :bawling: :confused:
 
Are those BP monitors that are in pharmacy's you can use for free very accurate?I just started my cycle last Sunday and I want to keep a close eye on my BP.
 
Also long term users often have an enlarged heart, RG:) [/B]



Don't athlete's with high cardiovascular endurace have larger hearts than there sedendary counterparts? If so, could this possible be a positive effect, or did I just get up to early today?:confused:
 
Qrios said:


Anavar will mess up the lipid profile just like any roid but not as quickly or as badly as d-bol or winstrol IMHO.

I don't know really why steroids mess with the lipid profile but it has something to do with cholesterol metabolism in the liver.

RG:)
 
Re: Re: What makes a steroid safe

Delcoda said:



Don't athlete's with high cardiovascular endurace have larger hearts than there sedendary counterparts? If so, could this possible be a positive effect, or did I just get up to early today?:confused:

I am talking about significant left ventricular hypertrophy. Some long term users develope a heart that LOOKS like the heart of a person in congestive heart failure...I must stress that little is know about the actual health impcts of this condition on men that exhibit this.

RG:)
 
great thread , now., why don't u post some sample cycles for what would be very safe cycles at effective doses....p.e.a.c.e.
 
ONE MORE THING (post #12)

that makes a steroid safe is.............

YOUR SOURCE!!!

Watch who you deal with... you MUST be able to trust your source!! If your source tells you he can get anything at anytime... bullshiet!! If your source doesn't know the contents of the game or the game itself .... FUK HIM! You will never know what your source or his source is putting in the amps/pills/vials if they so happen to be a fraud!

bro! it seems like your source sucks man.
 
Peter Gunz said:
great thread , now., why don't u post some sample cycles for what would be very safe cycles at effective doses....p.e.a.c.e.

Okay

Any of the two week cycles I have posted and the three week cycles by Nelson Montana

Test 300- 500/week for 8-10 weeks.

EQ 500/week or less for 8-10 weeks

Primo IM 600 or less per week for 10 weeks

Nandrolone 400 per week and proviron 50mg/day for 8-10 weeks
Proviron helps with any loss of sex drive that you may get while on nandrolone and it also binds strongly with plasma binding proteins so more of the anabolic hormones like nandrolone is in the unbound state and this is good for gains.

Nandrolone 400mg/week and test 200/week

*Nandrolone may cause recovery problems in some men..see initial post above

Okay Okay some orals.....
Anavar the safest oral besides proviron(which isn't a great anabolic) Anavar at 40mg per day in divided doses for 4 weeks

D-bol at 25 mg per day in divided doses for 4 weeks.

Test 400 per week for 10 weeks and d-bol 20mg per day for 4 weeks.

Nandrolone 400mg per week for 10 weeks and d-bol 20mg per day for 4 weeks.

Nandrolone 400mg per week and winstrol 25 mg per day

Okay wintsrol alone at 50 for 4 weeks


I like the injectables only cycles better except for the nandrolone/proviron stack as proviron isn't 17aa





Remember everyone reacts differently to roids.

Don't forget to have Nolva on hand for the cycles with test, d-bol, and eq.
Don't forget clomid at the correct time post cycle...do a search for my clomid post.
You can take r-ala and or Tylers detox tabs to help the old liver out www.anabolicfitness.com Go to store

Watch the saturated fat intake and eat lots of essential fatty acids

Be followed by a doctor
RG




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A lot of people have been "PMing" me about this. So here's the basic layout:

For a 3 week cycle one injectable and one oral works best. One should be a high androgen and one should be more anabolic. In other words, if you use test,(strong androgen) go with winny or var. (highly anabolic) If you use a mild injectable such as primo or deca, go with d-bol for the oral.

However, I don't recomend deca, but if you use it, you must use it with winny to counteract the progesterone.

Proviron is too mild to put on much muscle, but it's the best anti-gyno compound around.
And of course, no clomid.
 
Nelson Montana said:
A lot of people have been "PMing" me about this. So here's the basic layout:

For a 3 week cycle one injectable and one oral works best. One should be a high androgen and one should be more anabolic. In other words, if you use test,(strong androgen) go with winny or var. (highly anabolic) If you use a mild injectable such as primo or deca, go with d-bol for the oral.

However, I don't recomend deca, but if you use it, you must use it with winny to counteract the progesterone.

Proviron is too mild to put on much muscle, but it's the best anti-gyno compound around.
And of course, no clomid.


The above is good advice bro's.... except the no clomid, although I can appreciate your concerns in regard to this drug.

In regard to nandrolone....I was hesitant to recommend it as many seem to have HPTA recovery problems post cycle but many can also take the stuff with no problems at all. It gives very few sides at moderate dose for many and it is the only steroid that is mild on the scalp since it converts to the very weak androgen DHN. So...a little experimentation may be called for.
Winstrol does seem to counter the progesterone receptor activation by nandrolone just like Nelson said. This is a good combo but low dose nandrolone doesn't noramlly have too much of a PR activation affect IMHO.

About Proviron....it is a crappy ananbolic but it does do two things.
Proviron provides the needed androgen in a nandrolone cycle for feelings of well being and sex drive, as nandrolone alone doesn't always provide enough androgen to keep libido up and depression down.
Proviron also strongly binds to plasma binding proteins and this will leave more nandrolone in the unbound state and this is good for ananbolism.
Proviron is also a decent estrogen inhibitor and will take care of much of the estrogen from nandrolones moderate aromatization.
Nandrolone does activate the PR but this almost never causes gyno at moderate doses.
Proviron is a good androgen and helps with that "hard look"

RG



:)
 
ROAD DOG said:
Are those BP monitors that are in pharmacy's you can use for free very accurate?I just started my cycle last Sunday and I want to keep a close eye on my BP.

They are good.

RG:)
 
True, D-bol is toxic and suppressive, but it's just that it's so fucking effective! That's what makes it a viable option. Mg for mg, you get the biggest bang for your buck. You don't need a lot of D-bol to get awesome results if you train and eat correctly.

Would you say a low dose dbol is more or less dangerous than some other aas for the same anabolic effect?

In a stack with letts say deca it seems to make a lot of difference and would be well worth the "risk" to ad some dbol and perhaps lower the dose of deca?

Qrios
 
Qrios: Good question -- and normally that would be the case. Use a little more d-bol and you can use a ot less of the corresponding drug. However, the D-bol/Deca combo is notorious for inflicting gyno. It's really a lousy stack.

RG: True, Proviron is a crappy anabolic that is good to use with Deca, but not so much for its anti estrogenic effect but due to the fact that's it converts to DHT, which one: prevents gyno, and two: increases libido -- which deca takes away.

My reasons for not using clomid.

If dosages are moderate estrogen conversion wil not be a problem.

Too little estrogen will hinder gains, decrease libido and raise cholesterol.

Sooner or later you have to come off, and start at square one with your own HPTA.

Clomid does not help in recovery. It just delays it. (In cases where it works at all, and often it doesn't)
 
40butpumpin said:
Another great post by RG, thanks bro. I agree RG should be a mod.


My wife would probably kill me if that happened as she already thinks I live on the computer he he he .

RG:D
 
Nelson Montana said:


My reasons for not using clomid.

If dosages are moderate estrogen conversion wil not be a problem.

Too little estrogen will hinder gains, decrease libido and raise cholesterol.

Sooner or later you have to come off, and start at square one with your own HPTA.

Clomid does not help in recovery. It just delays it. (In cases where it works at all, and often it doesn't)

What do you recommend then when coming off a fairly heavy cycle?
 
UNIQUE ROIDS(recently new info to me)

Anavar is somewhat different than the other 17aa roids as it doesn't seem to be metabolized by the liver to the same degree. It is mostly detoxified by the kidneys


:p

Great general info
 
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